Will High End Computers be Able to Play PS4 and Xbox One Games?

Just had this idea so I thought that I would post it here to see everyone's opinion.

Both consoles will use dual AMD quad-cores (around 1.5GHz) with the PlayStation using a higher end gpu with compute power around the desktop 7850 range while the One will be using something with 30% less computing power.

The performance of the AMD 8970m is supposed to be between the desktop 7850 and 7870.
You can buy high-end AMD jaguar cores in the form of Richland though it's not possible to actually have a dual cpu laptop, I wonder if a Haswell processor would be able to be used.

There are also a number of articles which mention that Xbox One game demos were being run on Windows 7 and Nvidia graphics.

Really interested in knowing what you think.

 

We may not see them emulated efficiently and may require more high-end PC's (in terms of memory bandwidth) depending on how the games themselves are coded, but I doubt that, with the exception of exclusives, most games would be optimized to take maximum advantage of console hardware, instead being optimized for portabilitiy. They should not be taxing to emulate, but whether or not that will occur succesfuly is still to be debated.

Quite frankly, this gen of consoles will no longer push PC development as Xbox 360 and PS3 did for a little while, but the end result will be much better in terms of quality of games across all platforms.That's my personal opinion.

 

Two jaguar quads. A 4700mq would slap it around in any scenario.

 

The console hardware is cheap crop which is why they can sell it so cheap. A modern laptop should have no trouble playing games like a console

 

Im 28 years old and having been playing video games all my life and have seen the evolution of videogames first hand. I personally think the graphics will be out of this world in two years and the horse power required to play the ports will need future generation cards not current.


just my two cents

 

Ps4 and xbox1 will basically PC architecture. Porting will be easier so games will run fine on PCs. Jaguar cores are low power, low performing mobile cores so the CPU portion game code should run fine with our CPUs.

 

Plug the assembly code from an Xbox One or PS4 into a machine with a 4700MQ and it won't do squat except stare at you with an error message. Let's not be silly. It's all about optimization, and Microsoft and Sony were smart this time around. They chose hardware that would run on that specific hardware at 1080p at 30FPS+. Anything more would have just been unnecessary. I'm glad to see them using x86/x64 hardware and AMD at that. Shows how versatile the platform really is. They aren't using Windows. They aren't using Linux. They aren't using OSX. They're using assembly code for their specific hardware which can result in significant gains, like double, compared to a PC with similar hardware.

That being said, as already said numerous times, is that them using PC hardware should result in a lot more efficient PC ports. Whether they bother to implement good keyboard / mouse controls is still yet to be seen.

 

I've seen 14 more years of gaming and I agree

 

some poster (in another thread) mentioned that in an amd press conference (e3), information was given about a framework that would allow easy portability between the consoles and pcs.

i tried googling on the subject but did not get any info. anyone know something about this?

 

If their performance is double the pc with the same hardware, then even the 780m would be far from a Ps4. Their gpu is around 1,84 Tflops and if we consider their raw power to be 100% then 7970m = 20% more performance, total raw power for 7970m = 120%. 780m is faster by 30% than the 7970 = 1,3x1,2 raw power for the 780m = 156%. Since the Ps4 doubles the performance, the 100% base becomes 200% = 28% faster than 780m and around 66% faster than 680m/7970m. Hopefully twice the performance is far fetched.

 

Not really. If it's properly coded, and the compilers are really efficient (assuming no sane individual would write directly for assembly for an entire game any more), it should gain a significant amount of performance. There's no generic hardware calls and access a multi-platform library to interpret as best it can. It's written specifically for the registers of that hardware and that's it. DirectX is not a lot different from an emulator, which we know can result in a significant performance hit. But considering the AMD GPU is a DirectX based GPU we should see quicker and more efficient ports.

 

I know I just finished my semester and had to code using assembley with an ancient cpu PIC16F628A. What I am not sure is that the performance hit in a perfect optimized game for the pc would run twice as slow compared to a PS4 version. But if that is indeed the truth then anyone running something slower than a 680 desktop card that is OC, will not have console graphics, ouch. For mobile gamers we would need 780m Sli to reach console power.

 

One potentially confounding factor that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned yet is VRAM. While a high end PC will most certainly stomp the next-gen consoles in terms of processing power, the consoles have tons of VRAM, allowing for potentially very high res textures that could strain today's GPUs.

 

The advantage PC's have is scalability. Like current gen consoles designed to run at 720p an 30fps, the new consoles are designed to run games at 1080p 30fps. I would say current gen PC high end GPU's (i.e. GTX 780) will manage max detail new console games with ease (like 60FPS @ 1080p), and even mobile mid-range notebooks will manage medium details, 1080p at 30-50FPS no problem.

IMHO if you're into gaming, then I'd advise to buy the latest gen CPU/GPU (i.e. Haswell/Kepler 2.0) and you're golden.

And over the next few years as 3k and 4k screens become more commonplace, PC hardware will shine over the 1080p "low res" of the consoles.

 

If the optimizations for the console would "only" be around 50/60% then it would be easier to achieve the same graphics . But something tells me, you are probably right and it is around twice as much speed with the same hardware. On the other hand any decent cpu will smoke the console ones so their gpu might have to do more things than ours to make up for it. Unfortunately this is just speculation from my part

 

Also I think I read somewhere that killzone shadow fall was using 3gb of vram. Not sure one needs as much for 1080p gaming tbh, maybe it has somethign to do with the console recording and streaming capabilities *shrug*. On the other hand if 1080p gaming will start demanding such amounts of vram we are in trouble .

 

Something you are all forgetting is that programmers are LAZY.

Any time they can copy/paste code they will.

The result being that truthfully the new console game code and ports will pretty much be copy/pastes with the correct call to the right interface put in.

It is entirely true that code for the consoles will fail on the PC... however, with the right modifications, it will work. Since we are dealing with similar hardware for PCs and consoles now, the results might be surprisingly similar.

The truth... despite the Xbox's supposed code optimization advantage, a PC with similar hardware to the xbox 360 performs pretty much similar to the xbox 360 in the same games even with windows... the difference is almost unnoticeable.

Why?

It isn't because it isn't possible to gain such performance with better code.
It is because programmers are lazy and have deadlines.

The new consoles will be no different.

Your PC is quite safe.

 

This year's high end gpu's should be fine at first, probably for about the first year and a half, but a few years in when they start taking advantage of their full potential (8cores, 8gb of Vram) I am not so sure, I do think though that next years high end will be more than enough .

 

vRAM utilization doesn't mean squat. If a game is using 3GB vRAM, and your GPU only has 1GB vRAM, will the game not run? No, it will run perfectly fine. It will just use your system RAM as a cache overflow. Granted if the available vRAM is to small then it can cause performance issues because it has to swap with the system RAM and it will become noticeable, but if you have 1-2GB vRAM your system will be fine.

We have seen with Xbox and PlayStation that they became very good at optimizing the software for the hardware over time. But in 2-3 years' time most people with a gaming PC will have upgraded and the tech 2-3 years down the road will blow away anything the XBO or PS4 can manage. It's actually a win-win scenario all around for PC gamers.

 

All this discussion has made me think up 2 more questions.
I'm not an expert in the technical aspects of computing, I'm very much a noob in that area so if what I ask makes you facepalm, I apologise.

First of all, instead of emulating the games in Windows what if the PC actually booted Xbox and PS code natively (either original or modified)?

Secondly, how about the reverse, can a PS4 be used as a computer?
If I remember correctly, some versions of Windows 7 can utilise dual cpus.
In the UK the pre-order price of the PS4 is the equivalent of $500 so for that price not only could you get a PS4 but you also end up with a pretty decent gaming computer (especially if you can overclock the jaguar cores).

 

PS4 will not run Windows, and, as far as I am aware not Linux either. Only the OS that Sony has baked into the machine.

XB1 does not run Windows 8 itself but a similar OS designed to handle apps and multimedia as well as a secondary OS in parallel to that, dedicated to managing the gaming.

 

The PS3 was able to run Yellow Dog Linux.

 

NextGen consoles will not have dual CPUs. 8 Jaguar cores and GPU will be integrated on one die, in both XB1 and PS4.

 

Speaking of optimizations wasn't valve claiming their initial results suggest linux was wielding performance gains around 20% compared to the same game running on win7?

 

This is absolutely my biggest fear when it comes to buying a new gaming laptop. I was planning on buying one soon. Its a predicament.

 

Re: Will High End Computers be Able to Play PS4 and Xbox One Games?

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So...will this means that there is a higher chance of a functional PS4/Xbone emulator that will not need 8.00Ghz of CPU and a crappy GPU? I am still waiting for a PS3 emulator...

 

I'd say hold off if you can.

 

I can probably hold out to the end of this year but I doubt we will see a new mobile series from nvidia or amd. I really do need a laptop, the one I have now is dying.

 

Physically yes, but logically you have 2 quad cores with 2mb of cache each.

 

IMHO it would not matter in Windows, just as it didn't matter, that Core 2 Quad was essentially 2x Core 2 Duo. Logically it's still one CPU, with single memory controller. With true dual CPUs there are 2 memory controllers in a system, making hardware and software design much more complex.

 

My original m15x with an 8800mGTX ran MW2 better than the 360 did. Many people are quick to get a game and think it runs much worse. However many games ran at sup 720p resolution and around 25-30FPS. So even newer games ran at 1280x768 would run comparable to the consoles. Sure some games are just very poorly optimized but for the most part, games can be ran at settings similar to what consoles offer (low/med, 720p 25fps). Next gen should allow for better ports and therefore modern gaming PCs should be relatively competitive a few years into the lifecycle (when most of use will have upgraded) and definitely superior in the first 1-2 years. A 680m/680m SLI or better should offer very good gaming for the next few years.

 

That is what I was thinking as well, my old desktop 8800 gtx is still running games today at 720p and look better than the console versions. How much more horsepower we need? According to HT it is twice as much, though I am hoping it is not as much , my old laptop g73jh will need to be replaced soon .

At the moment, though, there is no single mobile gpu that offers twice the performance of the supposed PS4 gpu. People with sli 780m should surpass it though. Since I do not love multi gpus and they are expensive, I am trying to wait for the next gen which might not actually come this year and that would be an issue.

 

Are you kidding me? The PS3 essentially uses the nVidia GeForce 7900 GT GPU from 2006. Laptop GPU's from 2010 were twice as fast. Unless you meant PS4 in which case yes SLI 780m should double the performance of the PS4 GPU which is ironically close to a 7900 series AMD Radeon.

 

Ups, yes I meant the PS4. In theory one 780m is not twice as fast as the PS4 gpu, but the sli configuration would be I will edit the post

 

Emulation? No.

More cross-platform games including the PC? Yes.

 

yup don't expect to emulate next-gen games anytime soon. Your best bet is to wait for ports, which at the soonest will take another year after the console release.

 

This is pretty much why I am going to hold off buying til next year, I doubt anything really worth playing will be out this year anyways, the ports will probably start trickling in around Nvidia 8xx series release, so holding out shouldn't be too hard, at worse I will have a couple games to catch up on . ^^

 

my broes old X1950 Pro still play modern titles like Crysis 2 etc just fine at 720P with 30 FPS.

 

Has anyone heard any news on 8990m? Or is it just a myth. I am curious if the card would outperform a 7870.

 

I can solve this dilemma easily. Get a PS4 or Xbox One then still have your desktop or laptop computer :hi2: and now you have the best of both worlds :thumbsup:

 

This is probably what I will do next year, get an Alienware (for the Hdmi in) and buy a PS4 later down the road (if there is any exclusives I want to play) . I move around way to much to have a desktop or a TV, in the last 3 years I have lived in the South Pacific, in Europe and in South Africa I do not know where I am off to next, so the less clutter the better . ^^

 

im buying a xbox one for halo and a ps4 for killzone. graphics should be comparable. Im throwing my laptop in the garbage as I use it like a desktop hooked up to my tv. only reason I have one is for 1080p gaming and with the new consoles it will trump this category

 

Makes perfect sense. Spend close to $1k so you can play 2 games, and then throw out the machine that allows for true high end 1080p gaming.

You sir, win the internet.

 

You sir are a bit nerdy.

Im not buying both, I was being sarcastic in a sense. I have had my laptop for 2 years and love it, I already play games on it with ps4 level graphics at 1080p. I have money to spend 1k on gaming because I like gaming, You ridicule me for spending 1k but don't even mention the hundreds of people here that spend 4k a year on gaming laptops of all things and all they do is benchmark.

350 for ps4 500 for xbox one, If you think the only games ill buy is killzone and halo, then I don't know what to say. me having a reason to buy the xbox one and ps4 aka halo and killzone should be good enough. are you my mom or something? kathy is that you?

Spend you time posting something productive

You sir do not win the internet ( your post made 0 sense to a genius, and on top of that you got 2 likes for it, hmmm)

 

Did you even ponder the fact he was also being a bit sarcastic?

You then mention you spend 1k on gaming because you like gaming. That's cool with me. But then why ridicule the people that spend 4k on gaming rigs and then make the assumption that all they do is benchmark? Kinda "ironical" as you state that you will obviously buy more than one game for each console. Therefore I am sure the enthusiasts do more than just "benchmark." See my juxtaposition? Those benchmarkers also are the people releasing custom bios for us gamers to maximize our performance, do teardown videos to show how to properly upgrade, give step by step instructions on OC'ing and post pictures of their in-game optimizations for us to learn from.

We all, sir, are quite "nerdy"....including you

Cheers.

 

lol sorry but I guess we are all super nerds

 

Am I the only one dying laughing at this?

 

PS4 is beautiful super modified mini itx. I probably will buy it because of its look and new controller