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    X3100 and Conterstrike 1.6

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by yggdrasil, Apr 20, 2008.

  1. yggdrasil

    yggdrasil Notebook Geek

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    CS 1.6 runs rather poorly on the X3100 considering its age.

    I've figured out that the colored text that appears on many CS servers causes a major FPS drop on the X3100. I could be going along fine at 50 FPS then when I train my sights on a friend or enemy the colored text appears that shows his name and my FPS drops to 20. I'm talking about the semi-translucent colored text that indicates things like how much damage you did and who hit you.

    I've tried many different settings but I haven't found a way of keeping this FPS drop from happening. Does anyone know if there's a way of turning off this text?
     
  2. flipfire

    flipfire Moderately Boss

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    i doubt its spiking just cause of that text.

    i think that colored text is a server side option
     
  3. OverclockitIDareU

    OverclockitIDareU Notebook Guru

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    wow it runs that low? My old IMA965 could do better than that...
     
  4. yggdrasil

    yggdrasil Notebook Geek

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    Do you mean GMA950? the X3100 is another name for GMA965.

    During normal gameplay I will often hit 100 fps in CS. At the end of a round when there is the most amount of colored text on the screen is when it drops to 15-20 fps (and this is at the low resolution of 1024x768 16 bit color - i find higher resolutions will cause serious mouse lag). The system gets so overloaded at this point that my sound will begin echoing.

    The X3100 (or its driver) evidently has some defects that cause certain operations to run much too slowly. For some reason the colored messages in CS 1.6 make use of part of the X3100 that is extremely slow.

    The smoke grenades are another big cause of slowdown.

    It is sad that the X3100 cannot properly handle a 10 year old game without slowdowns (first released around the same time as the RIVA TNT2 and the ATI Rage 128 Pro). If you value 3D gaming at all you would do well to avoid the X3100.
     
  5. Oemenia

    Oemenia Notebook Evangelist

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    The X3100 sucks major at smoke, KOTORs framerate turns horrid at the sight of a tiny bit of steam. Either way, ive done plenty of gaming on it, i can tell you its inconsistant, but a lot of it is still playable. Heck all i want is to be able to play all games from 04, 05, 06 and some 07 at Low no a playable framerate
     
  6. xchaotic

    xchaotic Notebook Enthusiast

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    It's a strange approach, but might I suggest a switch to Counter-strike: Source, which has a superb HL2 engine and amazingly, despite being nicer and newer, runs better in low-res on low-end gfx.
     
  7. yggdrasil

    yggdrasil Notebook Geek

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    Thanks for the suggestion - I'll give this a try.
     
  8. Oemenia

    Oemenia Notebook Evangelist

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    Waah?

    You havent heard of CS:S?
     
  9. yggdrasil

    yggdrasil Notebook Geek

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    Of course i've heard of it, I just didn't believe my notebook was capable of running it. Plus, there are still more people playing the old CS than CS:S.
     
  10. Oemenia

    Oemenia Notebook Evangelist

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    Thought so, but yeah, Source engine runs fine on X3100
     
  11. IntelUser

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    Yes, the X3100 architecture is better suited to shader intensive games than older games. The older games rely more on pixel throughput performance and X3100's performance is not good for that case. This is why GMA950 runs faster in older games. You can also notice in games like FEAR where X3100 runs better in DX9 mode than DX8, and Doom 3 where it runs Medium/High much better than Low settings(In fact, Intel recommends Doom 3 to run at 640x480 High.).
     
  12. r34p3rex

    r34p3rex Notebook Consultant

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    the x3100 shouldnt' be your problem, bottle neck is probaly somewhere else.. have you exited every program you dont need to eliminate any CPU related causes?
     
  13. Nocturnal310

    Nocturnal310 Notebook Virtuoso

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    type these in Console and then tell us

    cl_updaterate 101
    fps_max 101
    cl_cmdrate 101
    rate 25000


    and then tell us ...

    your card can easily run the game on 100fps.

    there is settings problem which is causing it.

    Can u pls post a screenshot?

    i would love to see what is causing the problem in the scenario.
     
  14. Firesniper18

    Firesniper18 Newbie

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    I have x3100 graphics, t7250 processor 2ghz and 2gigs of ram on vista business. I haven't tried ne games like cs yet but when i play games like fable, I get 20fps, which is slightly greater than my brothers old balance got, which sucked for it's time... it really sucked! Is tha game so old that it can't take advantage of the new technologies and daul cores or is the x3100 that much of a bottleneck.
     
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    Oh and if I get the 2.5ghz intel processor 4 gigs of ram and intel turbo memory, would that help to nullify the x3100 bottleneck or am i SOL. Is there nething i can do to squeeze more power out of the x3100
     
  16. yggdrasil

    yggdrasil Notebook Geek

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    Without colored text (96.7 fps):
    [​IMG]

    Seconds earlier, exact same position, with colored text (9.7 fps):
    [​IMG]

    I tried the console commands you provided but the results were the same. The only solution I can see is to avoid servers that make use of colored text. Like IntelUser stated, the X3100 is extremely slow in certain games that make use of antiquated rendering techniques.
     
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    as i said its just some configuration issue...

    i ll ask some friends of mine who are CS preachers and get back to u..
     
  19. yggdrasil

    yggdrasil Notebook Geek

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    I've been using the 15.9 beta drivers which give a good speedup in CS:S but they do nothing to improve the colored text slowdown in CS 1.6.
     
  20. Oemenia

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    Interesting, can you name a few other games, i noticed an increase in Republic Commando, helped make it playable. But after a while, most games stopped loading so i went back to 15.8.2
     
  21. Nocturnal310

    Nocturnal310 Notebook Virtuoso

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    are u sure u r not running it on D3D mode?

    go to Videos & check.
     
  22. anarky321

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    i can vouch that CS1.6 runs worse on my x3100 than CS:Source does
     
  23. yggdrasil

    yggdrasil Notebook Geek

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    I run in D3D mode because in OpenGL mode the FPS is terrible (due to poor OpenGL support in the X3100 driver).
     
  24. Nocturnal310

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    No,

    dont run in D3D mode,

    update your X3100 driver and run in OpenGL mode.


    D3D mode is the Root cause of your problem.

    just do as i said and let me know if your problem goes away.
     
  25. dog.big

    dog.big Newbie

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    Hello.
    I have still this problem. :confused:
    When i am runnin cs 1.6 in opengl mode. The fps drops if everebody use flahslight. I tried most versions of intel drives, but i has not solved my problem yet. I must play CS in D3D mode. But, all know, it is terrible with fps in big maps.
    Now i have 14.33.1 newest driver from intel.
    PS: Sorry for my bad english, i am from Czech Republic.
    Thanks a lot for any help.

    My spec:
    Intel Celeron 1,73
    RAM 1GB
    Vga: intel x3100
    MS Windows XP SP2
     
  26. Shamoke

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    I noticed any text, including regular chat text in CS1.6 causes huge fps drops.

    Running in D3D mode only removed the flashlight fps drop.
     
  27. Nocturnal310

    Nocturnal310 Notebook Virtuoso

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    Then try running the game in 16 bit instead of 32 bit.


    and since its not nVidia..pls check for Driver options.

    Due to some driver settings the Text is causing in-game lag.