Xbox 360 Graphics VERSUS PC computer graphics

My friend believes that his Xbox 360 graphics are better then the pc graphics in similar games. Like we were playing call of duty 2 (I was playing on my notebook while he played on the Xbox 360) - he was saying the Xbox graphics are better. I'd like to know everyone's opinions and what you think is better for games.

As we know, most games that are released are released to both console systems and computers. So if I maxed out the graphic settings on the computer, and my friend used his Xbox 360 graphics WITH High Definition Television, which graphics would be the best?? Can anyone show any proof or tell us what you think is betteR???

 

I dont think the xbox graphics is going to beat the computer graphics! Microsoft says that the pc ported games like Call of duty3 and the other ported games run 80% detail level frm Maximum on a computer graphic!
So, to cut the story shor,,if you max out the graphics and have the same resolution as your friends xbox (720p,1080i) your computer willl look way better!!! Also,,Xbox 360 is only direct x 9 grahics core..WHen directx10 comes out with vista, its all going to be like the old days where the computer graphics look about 40% better then the console!

Hook up your laptop to his high def tv with your graphics maxed out and show him what hes missing! Make sure you lower the resolution to his tv native resolution so theres no up or down conversion...
Goodluck

 

I personally think that pc graphics are way better. The downside is that the game makers are only making games that are high quality for xbox 360. An example is NBA Live 07. They made it next-gen for the xbox360 which looks incredible, but for the pc version they stick with the old graphics. A lot of people on eagaming forums are complaining about the stubborn of EA.

 

PC graphics are always going to be better (at the cutting edge) but on the 360 and other consoles, developers have the advantage of making games that they know will only be run on one configuration, and as such they can use all sorts of tricks to get the most out of the system. 360 games are going to look even better next year.

I'm sure when Doom 4 / Quake 5 come out whenever, they'll be much better than what the PS3 or 360 can offer.

 

PC graphics are MUCH better nowadays.

top of the line pc specs: quad core, DX 10, 1GB vid card, 2-4GB of RAM

xbox360: 3cores, DX 9, 256 ATI CARD (i think its around and x1800...), 512MB of RAM

these are the raw SPECS. so a PC definitely outclasses and xbox 360
however and xbox 260 ws designed solely for games so it uses a different kind of processing logic or some ****. point being ONCE develoeprs learn how to pull the most UMPF out of the next-gen consoles the games will look awesome. xbox 360 is VERY close to the ps3 in specs. the games will look almost identical when the devs get it going..

bt PCs will ALWAYS outshine consoles... always

 

PC price:
RAM : 2x1GB ~ 250$
8800GTX ~ 650$
QuadCore ~ 1700$
Total ~ 2600$ (just for 3 components, PC needs also mobo, optical drive, hdd etc.)

X360 price:
399$
Total:399$

You said that X360 has grapfhic at level about 80% of PC max settings, so if we want to compare console and pc, pc should cost us 20% more than x360, let's say 100$ more. Besides X360 has a few things that you won't see even in DX10. And at the end: PC games are BORING!! DOn't get me wrong, I have PC to and I play pc games but nowadays buying pc rig for over 3k$ when you can buy X360 for 400$...Answer yourself
cheers

edit.
BTW I have X360 also and it's connected to Sanyo Z4 projector and all I can say is NOTHING CAN COMPARE TO GoW @ 100" SCREEN!!!

 

But not everyone has a great PC. Sure, alot of us here have good machines. But alot of people are still playing games with the likes of older Pentium 4s, AMD 3000+'s with 9800Pros, X700s, etc etc.

For them, the Xbox 360 is much better and much cheaper then a new PC. Being realisitic, a PC is only truly noticabely better if you have some fairly high end hardware which again, only a minority actually own out of the entire market.

So yes a PC is technically better, if you have a very good machine. But to the average user, the 360 at least for the moment is probably better. It's all about perpsective.

edit: Basically as the guy said above.

 

Well, now that I just bought a 26" High Def LCD TV, my 360 games look amazing!

Anyways, remember, console games are usually better optimized.

I also heard the Xbox 360 GPU can partially support DX10 via hardware.

 

xbox 360 gpu utilizes 48 unified shaders, it's a DX10 gpu that the new ati dx10 gpu coming out for the PC will be based of. atm, the xbox 360's games should be able to run and look alot better than a pc. Nvidia's new dx10 card is coming out tho.......


not to mention xbox 360's 3core gpu running at 3.2ghz, and its eDRAM daughter die on the gpu. also 512 MB of 700 megahertz GDDR3 RAM on a 128-bit bus for cpu and gpu.
it pwns atm, lol

 

Uhhh.... no. Extremely no.

 

And?
No one said they cost the same, jsut that a high end PC would beat any console.

Apart from that, you can get a pretty **** fast PC for $1000 or less.

Nope, since price wasn't considered. The discussion was what each platform was capable of, not how much it cost.

And the PC has a few things you won't see on 360. Your point?

Wrong.

Or looking at it from a slightly different angle:
I could spend $800 buying a fast PC to allow me to play games *and* work...
Or I could spend $500 on a PC to work on, and $400 for a 360. And then I'd have two systems taking up a lot more space.

Hmm...

No. Unified shaders are not the same as DX10.
DX10 does not require unified shaders, and unified shaders does not imply DX10.
The 360 GPU does not support DX10. On the other hand, it has hardware features that DX10 doesn't.

NVidia's "new dx10 card" is out already, btw.

Apart from a few things, such as:
those 512MB being shared with the rest of the system.
700 MHz isn't much for graphics memory.
128-bit bus isn't much for graphics, and if it has to be shared with CPU traffic as well, ouch...
The 360's GPU doesn't have 3 cores, that's the CPU.

The 360 is a nice machine (and very consoley. It's build as a cohesive whole, where a PC is more a fragmented bunch of isolated components. That also gives the 360 more processing power than its specs would seem to indicate)

But it's not a PC, and doesn't have a PC's brute power. At the moment, its GPU holds up pretty well, but it still doesn't compare to a 8800. The CPU is so-so, good enough to do what a console CPU has to do, but doesn't compare to the PC CPU's.

 

Some more food for thought: You could buy a $600 PS3 and do both work and play.

 

1: No I can't. Not until March. And even then, I'm guessing it'll still be impossible to get your hands on one for another two months.
2: No I can't. The PS3 doesn't support what I need for work/study.
3: Console games tend to be more expensive. With the amount of games I buy, that could end up the more expensive solution over time.
4: No I can't. Only one or two PS3 games actually interest me so far. And of those, only one is actually PS3-exclusive.
5: No I can't, because I've already bought the PC. So if I bought a PS3, I'd have spent $1400 instead of 8-900.
6: Apart from all of the above, the PS3 is just too limited hardware-wise for me to *want* to use it for anything other than entertainment. I'd hate trying to compile code on it, for example. Or storing all my data on it (Yes, I know you can replace the harddrive with a bigger one, but can you fit two or more of them inside?)

There's a huge difference between "This console can run Linux", and then "This console is useful for work".

 

Haha, I will second everything jalf said. Something no one else took into account is that a PC can always be upgraded, while a console can not. Therefore a PC can continue to be top of the line for the next couple of years, while a console will slowly become outdated. In my opinion a console is nothing more than a fad, when it first comes out its all new and shiny and everyone jumps all over it, but sooner or later the hype dies down and the PC is still just as stable as it was when it all started.

 

i don't remember where i read it..... but i read that the 360 ... was dx10 capable ...i mean it was made by microsoft. I think it was on gamespot

 

OK lets make this clear. CONSOLE HAS MORE GAMES!!! IMO there are no quality racing games such as GT4 or Ridge racer for PC. NBA AND NHL 07 are better for consoles thatn for PCs. Consoles can be connected to high def TVs.( you won't want to buy a high def TV for your laptop). PC is more expensive and whoever said you can get a good PC for $1000 must be kidding!!! what GPU DO YOU GET IN a $1000 PC?????

 

Uhhh, cool it mew1838. To start, do you have numbers about how many console games there are compared to pc games. Do a little research and you will see you are wrong. Why wouldn't you hook a laptop up to a high def TV, I could hook my laptop up to a HDTV (I don't have one, but I could) and it would look great at that resolution. You are going to spend more money (not in the long run though, no not in the long run). And technically, you could get a dell E1705 with a 7900gs in it for a grand. Cool thy jets mew, cool them.

 

The X360 has 48 unified shaders as stated, and has memory shared by the system (all 512MB are shared between GPU and CPU as needed). Technically, this is kind of the essence of what DX10 is, however, the X360 GPU does not have the new geometry shaders as a PC DX10 card does, and it only partially supports SM4.0 as far as I know.

Oh, and the X360 GPU runs at 700MHz on the core, and I think 1400MHz on the memory, which is pretty high.

And in regards to the PS3, it can run Linux, but things aren't smooth right now. The GPU isn't supported, WiFi doesn't seem to work, and while the Cell is recognized by the Linux kernel, it technically only uses the central dual-core PPE. Not to mention, the 256MB of RAM severely limits the performance. In regards to the hard drive, you can't put two hard drives in the PS3, but you can use a USB hard drive.

EDIT: The X360 runs at 500c/700m. That is pretty low. My bad.
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/xbox360_vs_ps3.asp

 

The xbox360's video is only partialy based on dx10. But the compleatly programable pipelines are in and thats probably one of the best features.

Its going to be a while till we see PC games beat xbox360 graphics, probably not till Unreal 2007, and the reason is far from being a technical one. Most often, like in the case of call of duty 3, there simply isnt a pc version to update the graphics we saw in CoD2, or there is a pc version, but the graphics engine is coded badly (Just cause) and is missing features for some unexplainable reason.

The PC has the hardware, it is just that the game makers arn't supporting it. Carbon on xbox360 obviously supports widescreen, yet the pc lacks any widescreen modes.

I say we wont see xbox360 level graphics on pc till the next unreal because Epic dosn't suck. They are allways supporting cutting edge technologies in their engine for pc.

Oh and ridge racer...all I gotta say is..wtf?! Why do people like this series? Its not an arcade racer nore a realistic racer in any sense. Its like a whole new world of wacky physics. It makes NFS look like Nascar.

 

I don't think Viper's original question can be answered. If it was answerable, he'd have to qualify the PC he's comparing the XBox360 against (ie, a PIII 3.2 GHz with an ATI x1900). Likewise, Megaman claims the Xbox360 runs at 80% of the detail of PC graphics. What does that mean? What video card is in that PC, my old ATI 9200? Or, which card do you have to have to be at 100%? And at what resolution are we comparing (because the Xbox360, meant to be hooked up to a TV, has no reason to go higher than 1920x1080, while a PC could)? Etc, etc....

Another factor is that the Xbox360 is a piece of hardware frozen in time circa Nov. 2005, while new PC CPUs and GPUs are released almost every month. Therefore, given enough time, everyone will eventually agree that the PC graphics are better (regardless of what you think now), but there will be upgrade costs involved with that while the no additional hardware costs will be sunk into the XBox360. Eventually, there'll be the NextBox, and the cycle starts again with a new console. Rinse, repeat...

 

Hmm you say Xbox 360 level graphics, hell I own and XBOX 360, just look at Oblivion on the PC it blows the 360 version away. I own Call of Duty 3 I can't say I'm overly impressed with the graphics, it's more like an smaller update of the COD2 engine. NFS Carbon do support wide screen, you can run it at highest without any modifications in 1600x1200 which is not a widescreen resolution, but 1280x720 is, so you can run NFS Carbon in widescreen if you want. Gears of War would run as good as it runs on an XBOX on an PC with higher resolutions too. The PC always supercedes, no matter what they do the PC is always better, sure more expensive but upgradable.

I was at first like oohh ahh when the XBOX hit my home, sure the games looks great, but all I want now besides my currently owned high tech XPS M170 is a super desktop computer with a 8800GTX that blow every console on this earth away.

Playstation 3 should have been released 2 years ago when the G70 was new. Now they're using old architecture for a GPU in the PS3, surely it's custom designed by Nvidia. Nothing wrong with a G70 I have one my own in my XPS, however by today standards and delays they should at least have put in a special built GPU like the XBOX 360 has. This is where XBOX wins, their custom built GPU.

I'm not biased towards any console, I own a PS2, PSP, original XBOX and XBOX 360. Reason why I bought a XBOX 360, well it was released first and not so expensive. Ridiculous to pay $600 for a PS3. By the way what do you guys think about these console wars, now XBOX has been out for a year and PS3 recently released. I wonder if the 360 will win this year, I think MS is far ahead now with the 360 out of their door I assume they have already begun work on their next console.

 

Dont forget you will need a expensive lcd hi def if you want good graphics so theres a extra +800

 

Correct saleen. Well the consoles are good for the Non PC gamers who has never seen a PC game at full resolutions and full detail. For me who has played PC for years the new consoles are just ahem Some games are fun to play on them, but **** I have a hard time playing Oblivion again on my Xbox when I have the PC version which looks twice the better and higher resolutions I play at 1920x1200.

 

if your pc is good enough then it looks way better on pc than xbox 360... im not saying xbox sucks but its just that xbox looks more cartoony on the graphics for that game with guns and stuff than a good pc's card does.. i played at high resolution and it looked better than the xbox and besides that pcs can get a higher frame rate than xbox AND online play is for free

 

I don't really know what I'm talking about but... NO! Even though I'm a pc person, xbox 360 has 7 processors, and I'm guessing the graphics card is pretty good, I can imagine playing one of the games on my computer which is really good and seeing it get like.. 1fps

 

if sony was really smart they would have waited for dx10... but nooo they wanted to release close to chirstmas to get every one to want it... but guess what when all the cool new games come out and they are too good to be played on the older versions of consoles then every one who just spend 600 bucks on a sony playstation or 400 on an xbox is gonna be pretty pissed. it might have taken sony a little longer to wait and might have lost alittle money while waiting but they should have... it would help them tons in the long run being the only console that could play games in dx10

 

Yes I agree metal, the PS3 feels outdated right now. Also agree that you would need a high end PC to play similiar games on the PC like on the 360.

 

That is possibly the greatest statement I have ever heard in my entire life.

You win.

 

No matter what, computers design the console games and then converted into a format the XBOX360 reads...


therefore...


PC WINS

 

PC > xbox 360

there is no doubt about it if money isn't an issue (and it was not stated that it was in the topic) then everything about high end PC, (ie, cpu, HD, ram, gpu, etc..) is currently much better then anything inside the xbox

added to that is that for a cool 3k, you can get an awesome work machine too.

an xbox 360 + a 50 inch plasma (LCD sucks) HDTV is almost 3k too

though admittedly in the 3k computer system, you'd probably only get a 24 inch lcd but then the lcd has a much higher resolution then the HDTV, but then you can watch HDTV on your 50 inch, but you can also watch tv on 24 inch monitor with a tv tuner...

either way, PC> xbox 360 because PC gpus (ie 8800) can max out any game at a higher resolution (1900x1200) then any HDTV (only 1080i) therefore PC graphics > xbox

 

Oh jesus... lets not turn this into a plasma vs lcd vs projector fight.

 

It has three CPU cores. Each are hyperthreaded (Or rather, a similar technology from IBM), and each are *very* stripped down compared to a PC CPU.
The graphics card is pretty good, but it can't keep up with, say, a GF8800.

 

hey can pc play 360 yet on Xbox live yet or is it still closed curcuit. They keep saying that the controller can equal mouse keyboard in those FPS games. But ive been playing online since quake 1 hit the stores and i find it hard to believe.

 

No the controller is nowhere near a mouse and keyboard and will never be unless they provide a mouse and a keyboard for the consoles, but hey then it would turn into a computer wouldn't it?

 

I miss the days when my AMD 1900+xp was top of the line!
My Ti500 128mb ram card was the best
My friends wanted to steal my pc when i was sleeping at night....
I miss those days!

THe only thing i can do is buy a cheaper xbox 360 compared to buying/building a $1000 machine for gaming...

btw, i want to see how that Vista Live is going to work out!!
I am very excited about that. They say that the similar games on pc and xbox can play on one network!!! This is bound to take ps3 market share,,well,, whatever they have now!! lol

Ohhhh when are they gonna have Gears of War for pc???
or unreal 2k7???

I might just wait for dx10 release to buy a new laptop with high end card.

 

The only problem i see with that is they make xbox games so when you aim you automatically shoot somebody if you are in that general direction. Now it would have to be a platform where both games are identical so it is even. I was reading about some guys playing halo, one had pc and the other had controller and they said the controller was better. But i want to know who was using the keyboard and mouse... i can see the controller winning if you were playing NBAlive but i have an xbox360controller for my laptop so i guess its even. I just can't picture playing CS and somebody with a controller turning aroudn fast enough w/o getting killed.
megaman do you know when that i supposed to happen?

 

Isn't Halo a little slower so to speak so the controller is better on that game, think I've heard that. I assume Halo is more optimized for a controller. However all FPS games I have played on the 360 is inferior to a mouse and keyboard, those are Cod3 (which doesn't exist for PC) Oblivion, Prey.

 

I remember when my mate was Jealous of my K6-2 350!

 

Well... dun meant to spoil the fun but i find wii controls are the best of the 3. Simply because it can really shoot. Imagine using that as suppose to the xbox controller, or even to the pc's keyboard and mouse, although it has a weaker graphic but i find the controls very interesting. Anyway today i went to TRY and get a wii but to no luck. Sold out everywhere and just a few hours after launch in europe. Now they are all in ebay for up till 400euros. Wii bowling is fun... haha

The salesgirl (or supervisor of the ppl playin the wii) kept telling ppl, wear the **** strap. Wonder if it is because of the legend of the flying WiiMote (Legend of Zelda?)..

(Oh.. Halo on Wii... definately getting one... on PC, yeh i ll try it out. Xbox??.. I ll think bout it... maybe i'll go to my friends' house to try it...)

 

Well it really looks like a lot of people are saying the pc wins, and those who like xbox are trying to defend the xbox, but how about this...

Why doesn't someone find proof on the web that one is better then another. I saw on one site showing a game with screenshots comparing high detail with Xbox and pc.

Can someone just find an example where screenshots prove that pc is better then xbox or vice versa. That would help.

 

PC games definitely have better graphics. It just depends if you have the hardware to run it at that speed.

 

Yes and resolution do a lot to the visuals. Thereby PC games can run higher resolutions than the box.

 

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10229/Far-Cry-Instincts-PREDATOR-Xbox-360-vs-PC-Water-Comparison/

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see, 360's are optimized specifically for gaming!

 

http://www.ggl.com/news.php?NewsId=1692

another one



At this point it's clear to say that the 360 is capable of delivering graphics at least as impressive as a far more expensive gaming PC. And, while PC hardware will always be progressing, so too will 360 developers be optimizing, and so it can be expected that Microsoft's new console will keep up at least for the next few years.

 

Em, considering Far Cry for the PC is years old at this stage....obviously a brand new release is going to look better, no? Hardly a good case for 'The 360 is better', in fact, it looks a little to be clutching at straws to me.

True, the 360 will outperform any PC in its price range, but in the general sense of 360 VS PC, the PC easily wins - especially in the next few months when the new wave of PC games arrive, like UT2k7 and Crysis. In fact, the development team for Crysis has even stated that they'd have to make many sacrifices to port Crysis to the 360 or PS3 - now that's comparing like with like, unlike the 'Old, PC game' vs 'New, 360' game biased comparison.

It's also the same in that second link blah141 posted - unfairly comparing games, the PC version of King Kong for example, versus for 360 version - even though it's well known that the 360 version is a very different game that was tweaked far better. Funny how the reviewer states that the 360 is as good as a top end PC and incites that all of the games looked better on the 360, even though he then goes on below to state that Call of Duty 2 looks better on PC when pressed about his article.....again, it's not that he set out to deliver a fake report, but it's biased for the simple reason it's not comparing 2 similar games, apart from Call of Duty 2 which comes out better on the PC. As someone else said, the REAL test will be with UT2K7 on the PC vs 360, and I'm quite confident the PC will blow the 360 away.

He's also using a fairly basic PC - 6800 cards and only 1gb of ram - hardly a great gaming PC by todays standards.

 

First I have to point out that Gears of War graphically blows away any PC game currently avaliable. I know that this is not completely fair because there aren't any UE3 titles avaliable on PC yet, but it is a fact that the most graphically accomplished 360 title currently on sale looks significantly better than any PC game.

The latest PC gfx hardware is more powerful than the 360's Xenos GPU, but because of the lifespan of consoles developers tend to optimize games better and better over their lifespan (compare Smugglers Run or Tekken Tag on PS2 with Black) wheras this is not really the case for PC hardware. As such I think that the graphics of 360 games will make significant improvememnts over the next couple of years and it wont be until Crysis/Alan Wake and UT3 come out that PC games will really look noticeably better than the best 360 titles.

N.B. Movie tie in games such as King Kong aren't a great showcase because they don't tend to be very impressive graphically or particularly well optimized on any platform.

 

Xbox 360 pwns the PC... for now. If you're talking about what will fool the eye, it's the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 can run maxed out AA with HDR at absolutely zero performance toll due to the daughter die on the Xenos. But if it's just about the numbers, the PC wins of course. But you people shouldn't forget the fact that the Xbox 360 is only a small fraction of the cost one would spend on a gaming PC that has enough horsepower to match or exceed the Xbox 360 when it comes to producing eye-fooling graphics. It's a gaming console. It excels in games and the Xbox 360 does its job well.

BTW, anyone of you guys got a comparison for DiRT on the Xbox 360 and PC? My desktop just barely meets the minimum specs. The requirements say Geforce 6800. I'm using a 6800GT. O_O I download the one on Xbox Live though. It's so damn awesome!!! =D IMHO, I think once DiRT is officially released, GoW is going to lose its crown as the best looking video game that's released. Thank God I'm an Xbox 360 owner. XD So much for my gaming needs.

 

I personally think the 360 looks much better than the PC right now, especially at 1080p. For example it can run COD2 flawlessly at those settings and look really good (i've seen it live and was drooling). A system needed to run at 1080p (1900x1080) with HDR/Full AA capabilities on Call of Duty 2 would need one heck of a PC. Even an x1900xtx/7900gtx could only barely pull off 30frames/second at the settings & resolution I just mentioned.

When you consider the cost/performance ratio the xbox360 is way ahead of the PC at least for now. And lets not forget that PS3 graphics look even better then the 360 so then the only thing that could beat those would be the 8800/2900.

 

Just a quick link I posted in the other thread about this....

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6147028/index.html?q=oblivion%20xbox pc&tag=result;title;1

 

I have both, and play both daily.

neither compare to the graphical horsepower of my 32-bit sega genesis.

but in all seriousness, i enjoy both very much and i generally stick to RTS games on my pc and FPS are split between the two. I mean graphically you'll have some games that look better and some don't. If you have a game built for the 360 and then ported over to the PC of course the 360 version is going to run smoother and even look nicer and vice versa. So i don't think you can definitively say hey, this is much better graphically than that. it depends on what game you're playing, when it was ported and how optimally did the programmers make the game for the specific machine.