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    Youtube Dropped frames fix?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Phase, Mar 27, 2015.

  1. Phase

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    Today youtube released 4k videos at 60fps. I am at my girlfriends house using her super fast internet and the videos load fine. Once I hit play, the videos jerk and stutter so bad. When I hit stats for nerds, it'll say that I'm dropping over 900 frames and counting even after a few seconds. Clearly it's not at 60fps.

    I've noticed this when watching other 4k videos on youtube, but the 30fps ones. I only get about 20-60 dropped frames.

    Is there a fix around this? Right clicking on Chrome and saying to run with dedicated Nvidia graphics processor? extensions?
     
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    Sample vid plz.
     
  3. octiceps

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    Use IE
     
  4. killkenny1

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    Not sure if trolling or for real...
     
  5. Phase

    Phase Notebook Evangelist

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    Pretty sure it's trolling. IE doesn't support 60fps as far as I know
     
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    I think does. Not 100% sure though. Give a link and I'll test it. I am a IE user (please don't throw rotten tomatoes at me).
     
  7. Cakefish

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    Nah, it's not just you, Chrome's GPU acceleration is borked.

    I made a thread about a new Intel driver that I thought fixed the issue but it turns out it just a placebo, apparently. After a longer period of time with the new driver (that claimed to enable GPU acceleration of 4K content in Chrome and some other GPU video-acceleration related stuff) I can clearly see that Chrome is still waaaaay behind Internet Explorer 11 in this regard.

    Chrome largely ignores the GPU when rendering videos and leaves the CPU to do most of the work. Switch to Internet Explorer 11 is you want to see how real GPU acceleration should work!

    EDIT: IE11 fully supports 60fps videos in YouTube (and other sites too, like GameSpot). I'm watching one now as a matter of fact on YouTube!
     
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    How fast ?
     
  9. Phase

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    Tried to pull up the same new videos that are 4k60fps on Chrome in IE and it only goes up to 1080p60fps. No 1440p and 4k at 60fps like in chrome.

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/youtube-60fps-4k-streaming/

    around 75mbps down. I know it's not that shocking or mind blowing, but it's a huge step up from my house. I live in the country with 6 mbps down and 0.4 mbps upload. So her speed is a dramatic difference lol
     
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    Haha you guys think I'm a trolling. :D

    OK look at it this way: If you can't even watch 4K30 YT w/o dropping frames, how can you expect 4K60 to be any smoother? Ofc it's gonna be worse.

    It's a well-known fact that hardware acceleration in Chrome lags significantly behind IE. YT video in Chrome uses the VP9 codec and Nvidia's driver doesn't even support hardware VP9 decode yet. Intel's driver recently added support but it's really only half-working. It's nice and smooth at 1080p but once you bump res up to 2.5K and 4K, it starts using more CPU and less GPU, hence stutters.

    Even if you have an i7, 4K YT video is a massive strain on the CPU w/o hardware acceleration. Doubly so if it's at 60 FPS.
     
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    I live in town with 4Mbits for 3 users in worst case.. (rumors says they are gonna migrate everyone to 8Mbits).
    Me dreaming about 900Kb/s download, so I can play some of my games on steam/Uplay, too lazy to let them DL..
    Anyway the 75Mbit/s should give enough bandwith for 4K but seems like Chrome doesn't like it, How is the CPU usage ?
     
  12. Phase

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    just checked cpu usage. maxes to 100 percent. wow. i really do wish there was some way to do gpu acceleration.
     
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    Wait for IE to get support for 2.5K60 and 4K60 YT and use that
     
  14. Phase

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    any idea if an overclocked 5960x could play it? why release a feature that even people with high end hardware can't handle?
     
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    Because Google is stupid and likes to fix what ain't broken? Old Chrome which used H.264/MP4 AVC for YT had no problems with hardware acceleration. When they switched to WebM/VP9 is when this crap started.
     
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    i personally use firefox on a day to day basis. i only switch the chrome when i want to view a youtube video in 60fps. thats it. i wish firefox would do something and catch up
     
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    I remember the good old days when Chrome was (almost) perfect.

    Now I can hardly ever browse the web without my CPU fan ramping up all the time. Internet Explorer still provides that buttery smooth, silent browsing that Chrome used to have.

    I'm finding myself using IE11 more and more recently because of how crappy Chrome is getting.
     
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    IE doesn't support good add-ons or cleanly at least especially ad removing ones.
     
  19. killkenny1

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    I my, I can't believe I'm not the only one...
    There are dozens of us! Dozens!

    https://adblockplus.org/
     
  20. baii

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    I don't think any quad i7 can do 4k60 w/o at least some kind of gpu accleration/decoder.

    Try force it to use intel iGPU?
     
  21. TomJGX

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    I have 0 problems with 2560x1440 however the 4k kills my 3940XM.. You want to know the problem? 1440p actually uses the iGPU to accelerate everything but for the 4k@60Hz mode, my iGPU is not being used at all for some weird reason.. The clock drops from like 1300MHz to 399Mhz (standard speed, as I'm in Optimus mode)... Of course, Firefox and IE don't support 1440p or 4K..
     
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    Youtube with Chrome push my CPU to the limit... with IE11 it is at like 5% load under 1080p60fps
     
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    Chrome 2160p@60fps on Youtube 4k@60fps


    100% CPU i7-4700HQ 8 Cores @ 3.4ghz, 9% of 780m, ~100mbps, dropped frames are 1.5%, it does glitch out occasionally.

    Updated to Chrome beta Version 42.0.2311.68 beta-m (64-bit), and is a bit better. 92% CPU, 13% 780m, 95mbits/sec, lower dropped frames. Enabled FPS counter in chrome://flags/ verified 60fps.
     
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    I have chrome 41 now and it's much better.. Getting less dropped frames however still too many IMO.. Hopefully the full 41 version fixes this.. Also is there some particular link where you find all these 4k @60Hz videos? Would love more pop ones like these :p
     
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    If you can buffer it, and it still lags, it's not your internet connection. I can load it up fine, but at 4k, I get frame drops. Fine at 720, 1080, and 1440 HD res, but at 4k it's "catching". Not surprising considering I'm using a 6 year old MacBook with a gfx card that was never designed for 4k (native res of 1440)
     
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    My internet connection is fine.. Just getting a lot of dropped frames.. Even though I have my NVIDIA GPU active, it can accelerate the video and I'm getting dropped frames... We just have to be patient and let google iron out everything...
     
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    TomJGX, Google Chrome beta is providing version 42.x:

    Try out Google Chrome Beta
    Google Chrome Beta lets you play with the newest Chrome features.
    https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/beta.html

    Youtube Developers channel has a 4k@60fps playlist:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGNqHxc9_BQgOLW2VpbqJtg/playlists

    Watch YouTube’s first 4K, 60FPS videos here:
    http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/youtube-60fps-4k-streaming/

    Here is a 4K (some 1k) Pop Youtube Playlist 1-51
    Code:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE7JlREDFwY&list=RDTE7JlREDFwY
    Please post any others you might find :)
     
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  28. baii

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    The 60p4ktest actually is 24 or 30fps I believe (youtube probably f it up), which(or other 4K non 60fps) is pretty easy even with my sandy 2760qm.
     
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    Thanks for catching that Bai, I had the chrome://flags FPS display Disabled at the time, I should have set it and restarted chrome to verify.

    chrome flags Enable FPS and restart chrome.JPG

    The FPS is fluctuating up into the 50's for me, but often dropping into the mid 30's. I will try it again late at night during low local demand.

    Now I notice the resolution setting option says 2180p 4k instead of 2180p60 4k, sorry I missed that, I have taken it out of the post.

    I found a few 1080p60 and higher, but no further 2180p60 4k videos, it may be youtube is gating all of those - there are a lot of 4k video's that claim 60fps in the video, but aren't.

    The 1080p60 video's are only using about 28% CPU i7-4700HQ.
     
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    It could be that you are using the Intel HD graphics. In the Nvidia control panel head to manage 3D settings, select use high performance nvidia processor. Then again, this may not be your problem.
     
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    NVIDIA GPU doesn't help to accelerate the video.. The iGPU has to do it along with CPU... The Chrome 41 version is doing it better.. Just give google some time lol.. No problem with ordinary 4K content.. it's the 4k@60Hz one..
     
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    TomJGX, in Chrome 42 my G750JH 780m GPU is 12% utilized while playing the youtube 4k@60hz video's.
     
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    And CPU is probably 100% with frames dropping all over the place. Sad. Chrome hardware acceleration sucks.
     
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    not really chrome's fault to be honest. Unless you have recent intel iGPUs (Haswell up) or maxwell cards, hardware decoding pretty much sucked for 4K.
     
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    It is Chrome's fault. Hardware acceleration in IE works great. Even the newest Maxwell GPUs don't support VP9 decode.
     
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    Well, ie don't even do 4K, not sure how you compare them.
     
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    Say what? IE plays 4K YT fine, just not at 60 FPS. Even 1080p60 stutters in Chrome while it's butter smooth in IE.
     
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    Let me check their CPU usage, but 4k30 and 4k24 play fine for me in either browser. True that IE does better on my win tablet.

    Sent from my 306SH
     
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