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    diablo 2 character choosing

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by darthvader1432, Jun 5, 2009.

  1. darthvader1432

    darthvader1432 - Audiophile -

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    ok, do you know any good guides for like the build fr the frozen orb sorceress?
     
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    link1313 Notebook Virtuoso

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    They are releasing a patch and reseting the ladder , probably within the next month.

    Im buying D2 the second they do it too :p
     
  3. MrFong

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    Expired? Chars... expire?

    Hmmmm. Endless endboss runs, then. Grind grind grind...
     
  4. darthvader1432

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    wow then whats the point of me playing now :(
    also where can i get the newest version of hero editor with no viruses? I'm going to useit to make a hammerdin in singleplayer and play the game maormal with the hammerdin
     
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    link1313 Notebook Virtuoso

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    There is no point to playing now, the ladder is completely dead
     
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    stirfriedsushi Confuse a Cat LTD

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    if you are going to get rushed just to get better items and a higher ladder standing then what is the point of playing at all? why not play the game as it was intended?

    Honestly D2 wasn't as amazing as everyone remembers it to be. It was just a dungeon crawler. Admittedly the best one of its time. The only reason it was so awesome was free online and the amazing story.

    and you will miss out on the story if you are going to get rushed.

    Blizzard Sorceress FTW
     
  7. Signal2Noise

    Signal2Noise Über-geek.

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    QFT.


    And if anyone wants to play Diablo 3 today just:

    • download the WoW trial
    • create a Paladin, Wizard, Rogue, or Priest toon
    • travel to Duskwood and hang out there for 20 or so levels

    :p
     
  8. GamingACU

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    I honestly didn't find the PVE at all entertaining in D2, I just liked making pvp chars, and owning pubbies. I also used it to fund my forum gold for jsp (or whatever that old website was where people bought d2 gear). I won't be playing d3 when it comes out, too many other good mmorpgs on the horizon:
    Aion online, Mortal online, FF XIV
     
  9. darthvader1432

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    I will
    diablo 3 and th old republic ftw
     
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    KernalPanic White Knight

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    D2 is a worthless multiplayer game.
    WAY too many 11-yr-olds with cheats "PvP"ing newbies in lowbie gear.

    It's a fun single player game when you want something mindless and stress relieving.

    I always liked my paladin who focused on the Hoyl Freeze aura and the synergies with that aura. I took at least 4 points in Zeal and at least one in vengeance as well. The buld was massively simple and required no special equipment at all as with each point in cold aura, the mobs slowed down, and you did more cold damage with your weapon, and more damage happened per pulse.

    Weaker mobs die before you even SEE them in most cases and the stronger ones do take at least a little damage from your aura, and quite a bit from your cold enchanted weapon. Best part is, you will shatter those annoying mobs which can be brought back a lot and they thus cannot come back.

    Some mobs are resistant or even immune to cold, but those ones are generally useful to have the cold resist aura which you are also going to put points into for your synergies anyway.

    The build comes into its own when you can finally take Holy Freeze at level 18, but isn't too bad at 6-10 when you have Zeal and level1 Might and Holy Fire.


    This build is VERY easy and powerful all the way through Nightmare difficulty and then loses some steam past that as equipment doesn't help you as much as other builds anymore. Still very fun to watch evil completely wither in the face of your cold hard justice!
     
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    i just finished act 1 with my frozen orb sorceress and now I'm lv 13 :)
    I like this game
    I CANT WAIT FOR DIABLO 3

    it reminds me of guild wars in a way....except i never really got into guild wars...
     
  12. GamingACU

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    I really wouldn't compare d2 to guild wars... Guilds wars had no dependancy on items, and you had to buy skills, and anyone could use almost any of the skills, guild wars uses timed skills (for the most part) while d2 using instantaneous actions, and the pvp was godly in guild wars...I actually cant find any real similarities between diablo and guild wars other than they're both 3rd person rpgs rpgs.
     
  13. Snowm0bile

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    lol diablo 2 is so old. I remember talking about d3 coming out in 8th grade, which was...9 years ago? man, crazy how time flys.

    Its not as exciting as it was to play back then. I try to start playing and cant get into it. but yeah, necro is def the most fun to go with.
     
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    i like it lol
    it doesnt have the best graphics but it has a good story and gameplay
     
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    fifafreak18 Notebook Evangelist

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    This will remain the best dungeon crawler until D3 comes out which is probably my most anticipated game ever. Ive played D2 on and off for 9 years and it never gets old. You took a long time but youre finally catching on :p. Oh and dont worry about the ladder. you wont even make it on the leader board until you hit 95 and not until you hit 99 if your a zon or paladin. Sorc was my first and still is my favorite character, frozen orb ftmfw!

    Dont listen to these guys and there advanced mumbo jumbo, play the game how you want. Just some pointers, grab all the gold you can early on and pick up class-specific weapons such as maces, and bows which usually give + skills to paladins and amazons, respectively. These items usually sell for more. If you ever find something you want to use but cant yet just put it in your stash (im sure you've figured this out already).

    Oh and avoid hacking. It seems fun at first (ive tried it) but ultimately ruins the game because you are never challenged and can't get better thus ruining the reward system the whole game is based on.

    Have fun and happy slaughtering!
     
  16. GamingACU

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    I thought the reward system was having better gear than everyone else/showing it off...guess I failed that one.

    Of course I used MH, pickitt, and botted near the end of my playing time. But I didn't really care if I got banned at that point (which I never did), and I just sold the items I found to pay for my WoW subscription.
     
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    MrFong Notebook Evangelist

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    Heh. I just spent an entire day playing D2 with a friend. My Werewolf Druid seems a little bit weak, but getting better now with some nice equips my friend picked up for me while I was away. His Assassin's KICK, however... how is that not imbaaaaaaa...?
     
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    I've played alot of D2 before and some quick toughts:

    A sorc for MF is essential because of teleport. New char -> no enigma -> all other characters fail epically at MFing efficiently really.

    As for sorc, I'd recommend a blizzballer or a meteorb build since they really don't require that much great gear to be decent. Really for both, you only need to hit the 105 fcr breakpoint to get decent teleport/fball spammage speed. Blizzballer uses blizzard to do main damage and fireball for CIs while meteorbers use meteor/fireball for main damage and FO for FIs.

    As for gear, it should be easy to get a full Tal Rasha's set and then stick on Chancies, War Travs, 2 FCR rings. Socket the armor and helm with PTopazes, stick a Meditation Polearm + Whatever armor suits your fancy on the merc (I personally like defiance) and you should be good to go.

    I personally like to put on a Spirit Monarch because the FCR it provides is pretty awesome but you need 156 strength. With decent charms, you shouldn't have to put much into str and so you can just dump everything into vitality. I personally don't like to go max block on sorcs mainly because the dex investment is too great for a Spirit Monarch and with some decent teleporting skills, a sorc should almost never be hit.

    After you are decently well off, just go get a hammerdin, stick an Enigma on him and boom you go do anything you want afterwards
     
  19. fifafreak18

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    Like i said, its fun for a bit because you feel unstoppable. But its like winning the lottery, you get everything you want without the work, except in the virtual world winning the lottery ultimately means nothing.
     
  20. MrFong

    MrFong Notebook Evangelist

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    Hmmmmmm. Well, thanks for the advice, mate. Might try it out... but perhaps after this ladder reset I keep hearing rumours of. Do they reset it each patch, or something?

    Would hate to spend all that time hunting for good gear only to have it blown away by a patch.
     
  21. darthvader1432

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    it will just be moved to non-ladder
    its not like your getting anywhere playing ladder now
    I hope they restart the ladder so it will be a fresh start and everyone will have the same chance as everyone else
     
  22. Thaenatos

    Thaenatos Zero Cool

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    I miss the 1.9 and earlier days. A WW barb guided arrow zon zeal paladin and bone necro owned. My zon was the ultimate PVPer, I shop one guided arrow and it pierced so many times it could own just about everyone cept the strongest barbs...
     
  23. KernalPanic

    KernalPanic White Knight

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    I love the "well when you get to 99 and have 4382942947294372MF" and the "you need this rare item you can get after level 75+", and the "must have teleport"...

    Come on people.. other than cheating, he has no way to even begin to have any of that stuff, and no, you don't "need" teleport, its just nice...

    The game is a lot of fun if you actually play it... "poofing" yourself to level 99 with every item you could possibly want isn't fun either... I don't see how cheating, botting, and the like and "showing off" the stuff you cheated to get is all that attractive of an activity.

    This is why I stopped playing online... being level 99 doesn't mean anything as almost everyone else there is cheating, botting, and it is not an indication of any real investment of themselves.

    Realistically, the guy needs to get through his first run of the game, and to do so he should likely choose a cold sorc or a Holy Freeze or Zeal Paladin.
    (Necros are fun, but their pets are really weak even for Normal, nevermind anything higher.)
    Every class and pretty much any build works for Normal... but the ones above are the easiest.
    His plan should be from 1-30-ish and not worry about level 99 with *insert insanely powerful gear or stat here* yet.
     
  24. MrFong

    MrFong Notebook Evangelist

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    Well, I dunno. Plenty of people find enjoyment in min-maxing. There's a certain... art to it, if you will. Planning your precise build, working your way to it by using an MF char, and finally executing it.

    Me, I'm still busy trying to wrap my head around the Runes and Jewels...
     
  25. KernalPanic

    KernalPanic White Knight

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    Nothing wrong with a good strategy and nothing wrong with playing to the best of your ability...

    There is an art to building the best character you can... but no one does it the first try, and you probably shouldn't... It takes replayability out of the game and makes the development of a strategy and combinations a moot point.

    The most fun I ever had with D2 was building my first character and beng challenged the whole time when I didn't know what the next frames held.

    Once I knew the challenge became how to do it better.
    Magic find and the like are more a part of the second phase than the first.
    (mostly because getting enough MF early is just not easy... you need to build it up over time...)

    When you start in god-mode,(or even just too powerful) you lose the best part of the game.
     
  26. TevashSzat

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    If your playing online, it is very realistic to get the gear that I listed because simply, the economy on Battle.net right now is like that. You can say how everyone is duping and botting online, which is very true, but you simply can't avoid it unless you never play with anyone that you don't personally know never hacks and you never trade with anyone. Then, what is the point in that?

    Its simply not hard at all to get even an Enigma now on Battle.net since all you really need is a decent item or two from MF that anyone can get even with around an hour or two of just general running.

    Planning from lvl 1-30 ish is not realistic on Battle.net yet again because you would simply be unable to play with anyone on there. Everyone just twink their new chars with great gear and generally skips over Normal and Nightmare mode because there isn't too much sense for players who already have 7 lvl 90+s to run through it again slowly. Thus, you're forced to play with a small minority of the population who are actually not getting rushed or are rushing through everything before Hell mode.

    As regarding skellimancers, you are dead wrong. They are one of the most viable builds for people starting from scratch other than a blizzballer or meteorber since summons scale up in power as you increase in difficulty mode. A well played skellimancer can literally never die as long as you pay attention. The killing may be slow if you don't have leet gear but its really a moot point since all you have to do is wait for the first corpse and then spam amplify damage + corpse explosion and everything on the screen dies.

    Just for your reference, I have stopped playing on Battle.net for a really long time and most of my D2 time now is spent on Singleplayer. I have several characters who have beaten the game (Meteorber, Hunger Wearbear using Azurewrath + Lightning Charms, Venomancer with Trang-Oul's Set, Blizzballer, Concentrate/WW Barb, and a Riftadin thats basically finished). I literally do play in an enviornment where there are no hacks and such and I still did not find it overly hard to get very decent gear like a HotA, CtA or CoAs, HoZs, Azurewraths, Skillers with Life, etc...

    Also, regarding MF: don't play D2 if you can't spend alot of time MFing. If you don't actually want to MF for some at least mediocre gear and don't play out your char, most people would only make it past Normal at most. Nightmare may be possible, but trying to go through gear without planning or MF at all is just an exercise in frustration that can only force a person to stop playing D2
     
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    That's not true in the least bit. Before I hacked, botted, and whatever else, I worked my way up to a decent amount of wealth (About 50 high runes, enough to buy anything "Legit" in the game, and spec out an entire character). All it takes is 1 or 2 good finds, knowing the economy, and making good trades.

    Eventually I got incredibly tired of running 1000 meph runs a day, so I started botting, that way instead of wasting my time MFing, I could use it doing more fun things like pvping, searching for the "ubers/torches", leveling up new characters and trying new builds, or even helping out noobs with quests.

    But the most important thing I learned about playing the game is that you need a plan before you make a character. After I hit level 80 with my first few characters and saw how much they sucked compared to everyone else, and could barely kill things in act 1 hell I felt that I had wasted a bunch of time. If you don't get your skill tree right, or mismanage a lot of stats it can make you very resentful of the game in the long run after you've dumped a bunch of time into it.
     
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    This. I never MF'd except to find a good place to start trading. When I played last ladder (a year ago) shako was worth an ist for a bit. I found 2 shakos in 3 MF runs and i just kind of went from there. I got a lot of work done when Tals Armor was worth a Gul, kept trading ist for tals armor, then traded it for a gul, then traded the Gul for Ist Mal (or Ist Um if i was in a rush) and then repeated. The best was when enigma was worth a lot id make so many good trades for enigma then trade it for a ton. Then the hackers/bots/dupes came....and ruined pretty much everything. After that i did dueling till i got bored.

    I made an interesting enhanced damage barb: BotDZ/Phoenix/Fortitude/Steelclash/Arreats (just found Arreats to be better than those rare barb attack rating helms).

    Almost 800% enhanced damage on an ethereal zerker was fun :)

    Takes the fun completely out of the game. If people really did it themselves HRs, etc would actually be rare and the game would work out right.
     
  29. MrFong

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    Right, I'm getting awfully bored of my Werewolf Druid. He seems pretty gimp, in spite of what all these FAQs and people are saying about how Werewolf Druids chomp through Hell for breakfast, and whatnot. I suppose my gear just isn't up to scratch.

    Maybe I'll make an MF Sorc next ladder season.

    Well, for now, I've decided to try my hand at someone who's almost completely not item dependent... the good ole Necro. Can anyone tell me what the hell a "Fishymancer" is?

    I'm thinking of maxing Skeletons, Skeleton Mastery, Corpse Explosion, and... well, I don't know what else.
     
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    Fishymancer/skelliemancer is the same thing I think.

    Its sad to hear that people are suggesting others' skip any content but hell difficulty... I think you are missing some of the best parts of the game.

    People are gonna play how they are gonna play... /sigh

    Apparently some things have changed since I last played... but the skelliemancer is still very weak through normal and according to the guides doesn't take off until level 40-50 with some really nice gear or 60+ with decent gear.

    The skelliemancer is far from easy until endgame... you need to worry about corpse supply in an area, lots of skills to rotate, and keeping up your horde of pets while not tripping over them. Apparently at ultra-endgame its considered one of the most powerful, but frankly most guides you will find pretty much tell you to skip to level 50 using a cheat program or simply get twinked up in multiplayer.

    Note, playing with skellies isn't impossible to do solo and untwinked, its just not easy... at least not easy like an Holy Freeze Paladin or Orb Sorceress.

    Oddly enough this whole thread made me reinstall D2...
    My skelliemancer will focus on skel mastery, skeletons, and will have 1 point in amp pain, and 1 in corpse explosion. (odd extra points to go here) I also think ill go for decrepify (+prereq) for bosses.
    I think also at least a point in clay golem and golem mastery for a life saver fodder golem and so you can take summon resist.

    Note, that's a lot of prereq points to cover the bases so you are going to be stretched a bit in early game.
     
  31. Prasad

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    The Necromancer has served me well !! :D
     
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    one more for the Necro.... love exploding corpses haha
     
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    Revive FTW !! :D :D
     
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    it is funny that this game came up again because after i bought my new sager laptop my brothers and i started playing this again. we just play local together...the hell with battlenet.

    nobody in here has mentioned wolf/grizzley druid which is what im using. so far i havent had issues (but i am halfway though nightmare so maybe i will start to struggle?) i use the wolves in wide open areas and the grizzley in closed in areas (maggot lair, etc) and on bosses. the grizzley tears through everything quickly (hes level 22 i believe with my amulet)

    my brothers have a necro and the other brother has a barb. i can agree with whoever in this thread said the necro goes slowly until a corpse dies then all hell breaks loose and everything is dead within seconds.

    i know i dont understand half of the game and havent used runewords, etc but i dont really care the game is fun to play (still)
     
  35. TevashSzat

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    From what I can understand, you're doing a summoning druid right?

    Well, generally summoning druids, from what I understand, are decent in the early game (Normal and Nightmare) but may be alot worse off in Hell. All of your summons do physical damage so if you meet PIs, you are seriously screwed. I highly recommend you find some decent way to get through those immunes.
     
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    i forgot to mention all extra skill points are going on volcano....ive never even stuck with a character long enough to get to hell difficulty so it should be interesting. im in act 3 of nightmare now.

    i still play warcraft 3 as well as diablo 2....blizzard may take FOREVER to release games but there is no doubt that when they do release they will be quality
     
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    necro ftw.
     
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    Heh. I'm really loving my necro. Though it really is a pain in the arse trying to get that first corpse. My Merc is still way underlevelled, so that's out. And the only golem I have serious points in is my Clay Golem, which deals all of like 30 damage. And I deal about the same. While my Skellies deal about 300 apiece. Sigh.
     
  39. tianxia

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    i never had that issue, just curse the monster.
    you can always go to nilathak's place, plenty of free corpse there.
     
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    a hardcore titan sorc is my favorite. good times.
     
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    Even with Amp Damage up, the mob's hp still drops like MEHHHHHH.

    Oh, and I'm not at Act V in Hell just yet, so Nihlathak's place is out.
     
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    still gotta say that a hammeridin (hammer pally) or smiter is going to tear through things in hell...norm and nightmare are cake walks compared to the Immunes you find in hell.
     
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