do you really need a gtx 1080 for gaming 1080p?

Im trying to figure out what laptop to get, and I've been really attracted towards the MSI GT63 titan, because of the price point and the fact it comes with a gtx 1080.

I have heard that the cooling for this laptop (and most of the other laptops with the 1080 around this price range, including 17") can be problematic, but possible to overcome with repasting / undervolting etc..

Going to the gtx 1070, that puts like the Asus Rog chimera with the 1070 into this price range for example, which i have heard many great things about the cooling on that laptop...

So my question is, are you really going to see a major benefit with playing demanding games in1080p resolution going with a gtx 1080 vs a gtx 1070 if the CPUs are equal?

 

I'm using a GTX 1060 and I'm running BO4 at 60-65 fps with highest settings.

 

well alot of screens with 1080 or 1070 come in at 120hz or 144hz.....for those framerates you will need a 1080. if your happy with the standard 60hz even the 1070 is overkill this year....but the following years it will come in handy allowing you to push 60hz with at least high settings for 3 years

 

i should have clarified, I am talking about for 120 hz 1080p panel with gync at the minimum

 

As someone with that exact GPU/screen combo, I would definitely say yes if you want to push >60 FPS at higher settings in AAA titles.

 

i have to agree, go for the 1080

 

You're not going to like this but if you get a 1080 you can easily push 1440 and with a 120 hz panel and you will then find your frame rate about 80, 90ish on modern titles, at the limit with older stuff. On a 17" laptop a native 1440 screen can be run without scaling even for an old man like me and you will not then have to worry about scaling artifacts as you can stay 100% at all times. On the other hand a 1080P panel can look a little crappy to the young folks on a 17" lappy at the desktop and also when consuming media. This is all referring to an actual 1080 and not a 1080 max Q card as found in some lappies. Those compare to a vanilla 1070 and are best used on a 1080P 120 hz screen where they work well.

So yeah, you're going to see a major change going up to the 1080 from a 1070, it's a solid jump that occurs right where you can use it. I do undervolt my 1080, big improvement in thermals without any stability issues.

 

run game at lowest setting but with widest FOV, easier to see people


anything comp multiplayer benefits from higher fps and effect/eye candy removal

 

Are you planning to keep this laptop for quite a few years? If yes, you should absolutely take the GTX 1080.

You can't just think about what it does today, because things are going to change very quickly. As many know, our current Pascal GPUs are just crushing the games released on the current generation of Playstation and Xbox consoles. When the new generation comes out in 2020, the system requirements are going to see a significant bump from what we've become bored with dominating. It happens every cycle. So while the 1080 feels like overkill now, it will be a forward thinking move in terms of longevity.

 

Agreed, the 1080 will be a great 1080p card for a few more years at least

 

i have my BO4 settings on medium to high at 1080p with the resolution scale at 80%.

 

That’s effectively sub-900p. Is BO4 really that demanding/unoptimized or are you trying to push like 240 FPS?

 

It's really not noticeable on a 15.6" 1080p screen. If you look hard enough you'll notice it (in static screenshots) but in motion it doesn't look any different because I can still discern other players fine. I am mostly trying to push for a higher fps to see where the GPU temps top out at.

fps > res

 

I can’t imagine playing at sub-900p in this game. From the screenshots I’ve seen, it already looks very blurry at native res due to the TAA.

 

It's not very blurry at all.

 

I’ve recently upgraded my AW 18 from 980m sli to a single gtx 1070 and I can play games like the Witcher 3 on ultra settings at well over 80 FPS. So in my opinion even a 1060 will be good enough for games on the market now and for the near future. Thermals have been a problem with laptops equipped with the 1080’s and personally I’d rather have a GPU that is sufficient for my needs rather than having a laptop with a GPU which I probably don’t even need to play games which I do and plus have problems with thermals.


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Have a look and you let me know if the 20% drop is enough to cry over spilled milk.

 

Yeah, I would say the left half is blurry enough to impair visibility for me.

 

That's just a static case, would you notice it in motion?

Plus Siege has some really good upscaling tech.

 

R6S uses checkerboard rendering, so that's a bit of a different case.

 

No, a gtx 1080 is not overkill for 1080P, especially at high refresh rates. If you are playing the latest games maxed out at 1080P, a GTX 1080 will still sweat. Better to have the power and not need it than needing the power and not having it. For a notebook that is rarely upgradeable these days, always go for the best your wallet can afford. And for high refresh rates at 1080p, make sure you have a good CPU, or you will see your GPU usage tank due to bottlenecking when trying to hit that 120 frame target


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do you really need a gtx 1080 for gaming 1080p? Yes, if you want over 100fps

 

I personally find the 1080 a solid 1080p card and I know for a fact that maxing games out at 1080p on a single 1080 right now will roughly net you in the high 80s to low 100s on many newer games. It's clearly game dependent... Black Ops 4 is not a great example because it maxes (as in 100% on all 8 threads) my 7700K at max graphics at 1080p on a single 1080N and doesn't give me close to 120fps at any given moment. An 8750H would fare lots better but realistically it's a bad example of what a GPU is good for.

A better example would be Fortnite on Epic, due to its Ray-traced shadows (no, not RTX, it's been in there since game launch) where even overclocked holding 120fps is completely impossible on a 1080 (you will drop to the high 90s to low 100s in places like tilted towers). Or trying to get 120fps+ in Dragonquest XI (it doesn't hold). Games that aim for 60fps on consoles like COD and Battlelfield tend to be more CPU heavy than GPU heavy these last two years I'd say.

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I agree, that’s why I said the CPU is very important when paired with the 1080. New gen games kill the CPU and many times I find myself being bottlenecked by the CPU, which holds back the gtx 1080 a lot when playing at 1080P. My 9700K @ 4.8ghz gets taxed hard in BF5, BO4, and destiny 2. Same with forza horizon 4.


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Exactly. People tend to use high CPU, low GPU games to say weaker GPUs are good, and high GPU, low CPU games to say that CPU/RAM matters little. I'll always think that it's better to find a good balance, unless someone REALLY only cares about 30/60fps (but that's less and less common these days)

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Yep, you are better off with a GTX1070 and good cpu than a GTX1080 and mid range CPU, believe it or not. I see many laptops stuffing GTX1080s in them with the 7700hq cpus; gaming is actually worse than a gtx 1070 system with an 8750H when trying to hit higher frames.


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yeah but i cant see him going for anything less than a 8750h with a 1080

 

Yes, exactly. I'll always say that. Even when I do desktops and I pair 2700X or 8700K with a 1070 instead of like an 8400 and a 1080 people flip their cows and I'm like "yeah no, this is better balance".

I laugh at people who recommend single sticks of RAM for gaming machines.

 

Interesting. I game on a 1060 with an 8750H and it runs amazing. BO4 with med/high settings at 100-120 frames per second, depending on how many people are in my view. Good to know that this is a better setup than a 1070 with a lower end CPU.

 

Yeah I see many gaming laptops with a single 16GB stick. Big difference running single channel versus dual channel on CPU performance in real world applications and gaming. I see that Even the default build settings for the Clevo and sager laptops come with a single stick. I always tell people to make sure to pay the extra for the 8GB x 2 option or install a second 16GB stick.


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Bruh I made that a bot command on /r/suggestalaptop discord. People just don't get it.

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