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    gaming with hdmi cord?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by raymondjchin, Feb 23, 2012.

  1. raymondjchin

    raymondjchin Notebook Consultant

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    when people play games likes shooters or elder scroll do you normally use a hdmi cable to transfer the image on your tv? kinda like treating your laptop as a consol. or well that not work properly?
     
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    Ktulu85 Notebook Evangelist

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    Yep, works great
     
  3. xxERIKxx

    xxERIKxx Notebook Deity

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    Sometimes I play on my tv through HDMI. I play skyrim on my tv with a controller often and works just like a console but with all the benefits of playing the PC version.
     
  4. Marecki_clf

    Marecki_clf Homo laptopicus

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    Skyrim is fine on my TV through HDMI, but shooters (I mostly play BF3) aren't, due to an input lag. I can still feel it, even though my TV has "gaming mode", which is supposed to remove all filters and reduce the input lag to a minimum.
     
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    rschauby Superfluously Redundant

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    I also hook up my 360 controller to get the full "console" experience. Once Steam releases their "Big Picture" UI, I'll be all set.
     
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    andros_forever Notebook Deity

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    Yea I have hooked up my Laptop to two different HDTVs and my Projector several times. I use these HDMI outlets so much I sometimes forget how beautiful 1920x1200 actually looks. Only problem is that my GPU overheats at that high of a resolution and/or my power supply can sometimes give out. 720p on my Projector is a much safer bet and less stressful on my Laptop.

    Ooooh, post #666 look out!
     
  7. zeve

    zeve Notebook Consultant

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    My 32" TV is my computer monitor. at home my notebook stays closed, linked to the tv through hdmi, plus external keyboard/mouse/hds/etc. It´s great.
     
  8. jmcblitz

    jmcblitz Newbie

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    My laptop overheats a lot quicker with the HDMI plugged in too, so I have to put a fan (house fan, not a notebook cooler) under it to keep it from bluescreening.

    My resolution used to look funny when I used my HD TV, but now that i have the Asus VE258Q monitor, everything's fine. I use a xbox 360 controller too
     
  9. key001

    key001 Notebook Evangelist

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    How long is your HDMI cable? A few miles?
     
  10. HTWingNut

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    There is something called HDMI lag in many TV's because of special processing the TV does it can delay the signal by fractions of a second. For TV viewing obviously it doesn't matter. Many TV's have a "game" mode to turn off any extra processing or filtering to eliminate or minimize the lag.
     
  11. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    Also, this shouldn't be a problem with any modern LCD computer monitors, but as stated, may occur on your LCD TV depending on the particular TV you have.
     
  12. Voodooi

    Voodooi AFK for a while...

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    Yeah. HDMI works great. The only thing is that 14-16 Font text might be hard to read with some games (or at least with my TV).
     
  13. jrwingate6

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    I sometimes use a HDMI cable to play Battle Field 3 on my 59" Samsung 8000 Series Plasma.

    Plasma's are better for gaming due to the inherent lag LCD's have (even when gaming mode is enabled). If you want to play games on your TV, a Plasma is your best option. Their response time is much lower than LCD's.
     
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    Plasma is nice, but it has its own set of issues. Newer LCD TV's have very fast response times and ways to turn off input lag. But if gaming is your primary use, then yeah Plasma is probably the best way to go.
     
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    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    Doesn't really mean anything, your device (computer or console) takes a significant amount of time to render a frame, and the inherent LCD latency isn't significant compared to this. You want to avoid motion blur, but newer LCD monitors have like 4 ms response times anyway, so it's a moot point.

    If your TV has 100 ms of post processing, that could be significant. You also need to keep in mind that if you are rendering at 45-60 frames per second, you automatically have ~20 ms of input lag from the system. This is a total non issue, and adding a small amount extra on top is also a non issue.

    I guess the point is that "gaming mode" on LCD tv's isn't intended to counteract some inherent problem with LCD televisions. It turns off any extra post processing software that the TV manufacturer included with the set. Plasmas are likely subject to precisely the same condition.
     
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    hydra Breaks Laptops

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    raymondjchin Notebook Consultant

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    the tv I have is a 47" LED vizio... with a sager 8150 or 8180 ... amd 6990 or amd 6990 crossfire do i risk the laptop overheating? that seems to be the biggest issue from people is that bigger the screen 1080p seems to have issues. My tv is only 720p though.
     
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    rschauby Superfluously Redundant

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    Who cares about a few milliseconds of monitor lag on an online FPS with several full seconds of input lag.
     
  19. jrwingate6

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    Prior to my Samsung 8000 series Plasma, I purchased a Samsung 8000 series LED. Prior to that, I used a DLP for gaming but I wanted something thinner this go round.

    Anyhow, I am speaking from experience that Plasma's are much much better for gaming. The 8000 series LED (which is a high end TV) did not match what I was used to with my DLP regarding image blur and input lag. I returned it to Best Buy after I read numerous reviews stating why Plasma's are better for gaming along with providing a more accurate picture with better looking blacks. I never owned a Plasma before but I can assure you, I will NEVER go back to LCD for my main TV. They are fine for my bed room or living room but not my basement/home theater. Gaming was almost unbearable with the LCD. If you never gamed on a DLP or a Plasma, you would never know better. A buddy of mine also went Plasma because after playing Madden on my TV, he couldn't go home and play it on his Sony LCD. I would advise everyone who wants to keep their LCD to never game on a DLP or a Plasma. You won't be able to go back.
     
  20. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    There a few things going on here. First, online games and latency are a totally separate issue from input lag. With input lag, we're talking about the amount of time it takes for you to make a motion with your mouse, or press a key, before you can see a response on your screen. With latency, we're talking about how often your computer gets updates on the other players. Don't forget that you can interpolate with the information you do get, and smooth control doesn't have anything to do with how often those updates come in. Otherwise, we wouldn't care about having more than about 10 frames per second in our games.

    By the nature of the graphics engine running on the computer, it's going to be about 30 ms regardless before you even get to the screen, assuming you have a pretty high frame rate. If you have a plasma screen, the total latency will be slightly higher, maybe 31 ms in our example. If you have an LCD screen, the total latency might be 34 ms. This is why latency is not a serious point of concern for a plasma vs LCD debate among MODERN options. There are other aspects of plasma which make them desirable- specifically, higher contrast ratios. Better for motion in games is a pretty empty argument unless you're looking at options from several years ago. Of course, then you'd need to seriously consider the burn-in problem, which is still there with plasma screens, but to a lesser degree than it used to be.
     
  21. jrwingate6

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    I was mainly talking about the biggest difference being seen when gaming with PS3 or 360 (not online). Motion Blur when gaming with LCD's is still very much evident (even when you enable game mode). Like everyone knows, gaming mode disables all video processing and just gives you a straight signal or a "Pure Direct" signal from the source. It doesn't magically make the inherent cons of LCD's go away.

    Sorry but I know what I'm seeing and I know I don't like it. When playing PS3 on any LCD TV, I see image blur and input lag. My current PS3 has been played on one DLP, one LCD and one Plasma. There is no reason why I was experiencing this input lag with the LCD and not the other two TV's. A quick Google search will reveal, I am not the only one who notices this lag. A ton of people report input lag when changing from their rear projection TV to a LCD. Like I said before, if all you've ever played on is a LCD, you likely won't notice it.
     
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    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    Depends on the TV. Again, I'm only considering options available if you were to buy today.
     
  23. jrwingate6

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    Yes, there are certain LCD TV's that are better than others when it comes to gaming but there are still many that absolutely suck. With Plasma's, their inherent technology make all of them viable gaming options. Plasma's inherently have a fast refresh rate and practically 0 response time. They don't need things like Auto Motion Plus in order to boost their refresh rate. Their processors don't need to place artificial frames within the content it's trying to display in order to boost refresh rate.

    In the end, both technology's have pros and cons and I can just go by what I personally witness. I'm hoping OLED technology kills the LCD flaws.
     
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    I keep a nice hdmi cable in my laptop bag.

    I dont use it for gaming I use it for movies and things.

    If I am gaming I want use of the keyboard & mouse and that is much easier to do looking at the laptop screen than at some secondary display device.

    Controllers & Emulation would be the only exception but I have not done that in a long time.
     
  25. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    LCDs don't need post processing to boost their refresh rates, either. You have to keep in mind that games are rendered at 60 frames per second, and the delay due to other components is large compared to the delay of an average modern LCD or plasma screen.

    The desirable properties of OLEDs are primarily oriented around image quality. The main benefit is, once again, increased contrast ratios. Increased refresh rates are nice, but are not the primary draw towards the technology. They only have a marginal impact on input lag.
     
  26. Mastershroom

    Mastershroom wat

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    "Several full seconds"? You know one full second is 1,000 milliseconds, i.e. 1,000 ping, right? If you have ping in the multiple thousands in any game, something is seriously wrong with your connection.