going to try nvidia gt 240M gddr3 of asus M60j on acer aspire 6930G

hi boys,

i have found in the net that tha asus M60J with intel i7 mobile use an standard mxm II(not flipped mxm) 2.1 for this nvidia gt 240m ddr/gddr3 here are th photo


this card has great performance on the default frequencies and score around 7K point on 3dmark 06 with only an intel t6600 at 1280 x768 and have an super extra range of overclock










now i wnat to try this card on the acer aspire 6930g , but the big problem is , where to find.

I will try to contact asus fore more information.


every idea, is well approved

 

I think you should check out the Acer subforum to see if Asus GPUs are even compatible with your Acer.

 

Asus uses a proprietary format. It's not going to fit.

 

you are wrong, because this gt 240m is un an standard mxm II format and not in an asus proprietary mxm (flipped mxm ) you can see it on the picture , and has the same hole for the heat sink and the same position of the two inductur of an nvidia 9600m gt/ati mobilty 4650/4670 that i have tested on acer 6930g...

 

It definitely looks like MXM-II, indeed. Good luck finding one and trying it out Taking in mind that it's a proper MXM GPU, there should be no troubles (like white-listing and etc) running it in your Acer, otherwise why they bothered to make it MXM in first place? ASUS are notorious with their flipped MXM

 

What an amazing find. I have Pm'ed an asus retailer on here to verify if it is indeed the older mxm II 2.1 connection! Fingers crossed it is

 

plz could you get back in here and tell us what he's saying? That sounds like a dream for my C90S

 

I only sent the PM a couple of hours back. Lets be patient . I will immediately post what is said when I find out

 

I still remember the time when I was sending PMs and e-mails like crazy. Good luck guys, better than mine. My inbox/outbox ratio was 1/4 - too many questions very few answers Thanks God everything is part of the past now I'm pretty confident that it's indeed a real MXM, otherwise it would be pretty stupid move on their side to dissapoint you guys

 

Looks like standard MXM II to me. WOW. Nice work.

 

Alrighty I have recieved word. Ken at Gentechpc will try to install it in the asus C90S/P when he has time. Once more lets all keep our fingers crossed it works!!

 

Nice work, it's great to have connections like these Keep us updated, I would love to see the result. Fingers crossed that it would be plug'n'play experience, since it's based on new core, unlike 9600m GT/GT 130M

 

I hope it plugs and plays better than the 9600M GT and GT130M as this card is re-designed by asus for their laptop while the cityscape matches that of the old asus 8600M GT meaning no need for any heatsink modification other than smaller screws and washers... really can't wait for outcome

 

This could be big - if it works, it'll give the Radeon HD 4650 DDR2 a run for its money in the MXM-II arena.

 

The GT130M DDR3 card available from zepto will outperform that card presently. The GT240M will take the battle to the 4670 DDR3 card

 

Was just about to say. The GT 240M has 50% more shaders than the 9600M GT, and already the 9600M GT GDDR3 > HD 4650 DDR2.

 

Alleluia brothers !!!! Can't wait !

 

THIS WOULD BE AWESOME

Breath some more life into my laptop along with a T9600

Looking forward to more news on this

 

Ok. Then if it works how do we get the card?

 

It seems that there are more nVIDIA fans than ATi ones around here

How would you get it? The hard way of course The only easy one is to buy M60j

 

We will cross that bridge when we come to it. I have some ideas, there is nothing that can't be had For now lets hope it works.

 

Why do Asus and MSI get the nicest MXM variants out there, while Acer cards are practically overcrowding eBay, anyway??

If this were as easy to grab as a 9600M GT lol.

One more thing, is it just me or is Asus the only one who really stamps on their name on their MXM cards? lol$

 

They could be. Also the cityscape is slightly altered but for us asus owners that is great as we need no modification to the heatsink like we usually have to

 

any news boys?

i have contact asus for the video card but they said to me that i have to indicate a pn and serial number of the notebook that i don't have

...perhaps a friend of mine want to buy an asus m60j , and if he buy it, after rock'n roll boys

 

Hmm, looks like I'm wrong about the proprietary format. Glad I am.

I'll hit up Ken and see how it's working out.

 

Ken mentioned to me he is pretty bogged down at work at the moment, so we will have to be patient! He will get round to it when he can find time to do so, being the legend he is

 

I don't have C90S but I do have M60J and the 8600M GT GDDR3 video card from C90S:




Installed 8600M GT into M60J:


Of course, getting black screen as expected:


The real MXM card has the vBIOS on the video card itself unlike M60J the vBIOS is embed into the MB BIOS.

 

Ah no this is sad news! Is there no possibility of the GT240M working in the C90 then? A real shame if that is the case as the card would fit perfectly How come the GT240M has no vbios when it looks like a standard mxm card!?

As a side thought would it be possible to take the GT240M vbios from nibitor then to flash the C90 with the vbios before installin gthe GT240M card? Maybe by doing the same you could get the 8600M GT to work in the M60J?

 

Oh dear, those are some really sad news I was pretty confident that ASUS made it "the right" way this time, but it seems that it's not the case Well (AFAIK), C90s is still the only real-MXM enabled ASUS laptop. Anyway, thanks for the test, Ken, +rep

 

Seconded! Thanks for your efforts Ken!

sad news though, if you think what I suggested (vbios extraction) is possible please let us know lol tis our only hope

 

Good to see you are well Ken

Thanks for doing this though.

 

well thats a bummer turns out it really is a proprietary card.

 

but is not a bad news at all, because someone have to try the gt 240m on an asus c90 or in acer 6930g, 6935g 8930g...

 

Keep us updated if you try it

 

Indeedy. Firstly it will be very hard to get, probably just as hard to get as a HD4670 (don't smile triturbo ) and secondly there is no guarantee that the GT240M vbios can be extracted from the M60J MB bios to be used separately. Eithe way I will find out whether vbios extraction is a possibility so we can put this upgrade issue to bed for good

 

lets hope in MSI, with some future model of notebook , maybe they put on an mxm II cards

 

Let's hope, let's hope. I wish MSI would stick to MXM 2.1 formats, and that their cards would be free reign for MXM 2.1 enthusiasts like us. (and also so that triturbo won't be the only one boasting an aftermarketed Acer with an HD4670!! )

And with that, I present you with the userbar of MXM 2.1. Bow. (@ sig lol, join me and triturbo on spreading the "MXM 2.1 FTW" Campaign rofl)

 

Let's burn Triturbo in the public square

 

*Looks around* Spare me guys! *Runs away scared*

We need an M60j owner, who is an enthusiast with a lot of free time But was it necessarily in first place...

Fingers crossed, there is an HD5650 around the corner you know Be strong MSI, you can resist on MXM 3.0's invasion Sadly everyone else had already switched to MXM 3.0

 

Extracting is not the problem. The fact that the vbios is embedded in the mb-bios makes me think that the card doesn't even have a bios chip you can flash.

 

Exactly, MMX card has Flash ROM to store the BIOS but non-MXM card does not.

The only reason C90S and M60J card looks the same is because they use the same PCB.

 

You are right guys. I was ignoring this though, because I still can't realize, why the hell they bothered to make a MXM-looks-like GPU and not make it a real one. I mean, they had tons of proprietary GPUs, including the infamous flipped-MXM, why they didn't used one of them? Are they joking with us or something The other option is that 8600M is not compatible with M60j, which is highly unlikely, since it's not 9600M GT and it would run on virtually any MXM 2.1 enabled laptop Oh, ASUS...

 

sux baus! Anyways I am now switching allegiance to ATI. The 4650 both DDR2/DDR3 both use the same PCB layout as the asus 8600M GT so I will "simply" have to hunt one down. Already found a supplier based in Austria but he is sold out (the 512mb DDR3 ones).

As far as I know the 4650 DDR2 is between the 9600M GT DDR3 and 9650M GT DDR3 in real life performance while the 4650 DDR3 is between the GT230M and the GT240M.

 

Well this kinda sucks, but aren't newer cards really required to go to the 3.0 norm? Since they need more current?

They're teasing people. (Like us, who really like to hunt down on unsuspecting preys and rip apart their laptops and only take the precious GPU's to put into our own laptops! )

But of course that wasn't the case. So I reaaaaaaly can't see the point of all these.

 

From my experience with the ifl90, the 8600 probably did not boot because of the embedded vbios which conflict with the card vbios. I think during the POST the bios detect a nVidia card and try to load the embedded vbios which of course is not going to work with something other than the gt 240m. It would probably boot fine if you tried a ati mxm card. On the compal, not other card other nvidia card other than the 8600m or ES models of the 9600m would boot. But the HD3650 worked fine.

 

Well, no. MXM 3.0 just makes everything simple - you have 1 connector and two types/sizes, where the old one had two connectors (1 - I, II and III; 2 - IV and HE) and 5 types And since the smaller type (MXM-A) uses the same connector as its bigger brother the connector limitations are gone (that's why MXM-IV and HE used different connector).

I need more Adam (Nod to Bioshock players) It's always like this, people get what they need and leave the rest. That's why we have to deal with proprietary designs, there is no other way to "force" you to get a newer lappy It is sad, because I love my current one and I would be happy if I can buy a GPU, even if it's slightly overpriced from my local super, instead of buying a whole laptop or searching through the globe for one (which was the case with HD4670).

That explains why a Compal sourced 8600M doesn't work on different laptop.

 

It's been discuss on the forum, the reason they make the card MXM like for two reasons:

- If GPU fried they can just replace the card instead of entire motherboard.

- easier for them to change GPU specs for the same notebook, F8S series for example, F8Sa uses ATI HD2600 and F8Sv has 8600M GT with same chassis and mainboard.

 

Bioshock ftw lol.. but yeah, now I love my laptop too much I'm willing to bump it up to speed with upgrades, but well fate isn't playing clean any better..

This could also apply to my notebook. I have an Acer Extensa 4630G, a PM45-equipped laptop with an MXM slot too (of course, why else would I be here lol). Now the thing is Acer rebranded my laptop, put in a new SLIC 2.1 enabled BIOS into it and put more varieties of processors ang GPUs and threw in a new HDD and a WiMax (I think) and voila! You now have a TravelMate 4730G out on the market! (makes me roll my eyes ) but heck you can't stop manufacturers from squeezing the most out of these kinds of systems now, especially with newer, more favorable tech on the horizon.

 

Epic fail from what i'm reading.. looks like you ppl are gonna be stuck with 9600M GT or 4650 or 4670.... but at least you got those cards... i still only got the sucky 9600M GT DDR2 version brb.....

 

Lol if we had access to the 4650 or 4670 is would be epic success.. unfortunately we don't

I see your scores for your 9600M GT ddr2 aren't much higher than my 8600M GT ddr2 card! I managed 5000 with the e6600 and now about 5400 with a Q9650. Quite surprised