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    is the 485m OCd considered mid range now?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by itsjustme84, Jun 22, 2013.

  1. itsjustme84

    itsjustme84 Notebook Geek

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    I was wondering how my gpu compares to the 770m or 765m so I went to notebookcheck and saw some game benchmarks I tested grid 2, the 770m got 71 fps and I got 120fps same settings(high), I then tested ultra and got 37fps vs it's 31fps, whats going on and why do the 770m and 765m score so much higher in synthetic benchmarks but fall short in actual games, so do you guys think the 485m,6990m,580m are considered mid range or are they still high end cards 2.5 years later
     
    itsjustme84, Jun 22, 2013
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    Gaming at mid graphics 1080p or High at 720p is possible.

    GTX485/580m still hold its own but i would never consider it a high end mobile GPU.
     
    Undyingghost, Jun 22, 2013
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    Mid range since the 780m is a huge stride ahead.

    Results may vary on title and grid may be more memory bandwidth bound. The newer chips do run cooler and are easier to overclock more though. Typical that a high end of previous gen matches mid of the next though (4/5 (fermi) -> 6/7 (kepler))
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 22, 2013
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    It's a high end card but the performance with the current cards available is considered mid-range.

    it's not a bad card, but not worth getting if you can get better cards for around the same price (or for not much more)
     
    Idarzoid, Jun 22, 2013
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  6. itsjustme84

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    i get 4k 3dmark11 msilover

    780m gets 20fps crysis 3 maxed
    485m gets 20 fps crysis 3 maxed

    its 50 percent faster in synthetic benchmarks but not nessessarily in all games


    edit. my combined score is higher than johns with a 780m i get 3300

    overclocked

    Graphics Score 3863
    Physics Score 6411
    Combined Score 3888
     
    itsjustme84, Jun 23, 2013
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    Highest valid 3dmark11 score for 485m NVIDIA GeForce GTX 485M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-2630QM Processor,CLEVO P150HMx score: P4000 3DMarks

    Highest valid 3dmark11 score for 780m NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3940XM,Alienware M18xR2 score: P9721 3DMarks

    As you can see the 780m is over 3 times as fast. This goes for real gaming as well.

    485m still kicks but gets pwned by the newercard which is normal.

    When it comes to Crysis 3 even my brothers 690 Desktop card gets 10 FPS with MAX settings.
     
    Bob, Jun 23, 2013
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    10fps on max settings with a 690 shouldn't happen.
     
    D2 Ultima, Jun 23, 2013
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    im still greatly enjoying my 485m with my games such as shogun2, wargame alb, etw, coh, coh2, dow2 and more. i play in ultra w/o anti aliasing and sometimes no vsync at 1080p.
     
    trvelbug, Jun 23, 2013
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    I agree 485M and its slightly faster successors the 580M and 675M are still able to pump out games at good detail and good frame rates. I just finished Tomb Raider last week and it looked and played great.
     
    hfm, Jun 23, 2013
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    The 780m is an underclocked gtx770 where as the 485m is the 560ti underclocked.

    If you see the 485m even close it is likely an error with the benchmark.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 23, 2013
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    yup i believe were at a point when hardware capabilities outstrip software requirements. gone are the days when you needed the latest and greatest desktop components to run the latest games and software. its what makes laptops so relevant these days. and even for mobile standards you dont need the very latest tech to enjoy the latest games.
     
    trvelbug, Jun 23, 2013
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    indeed, am still happy with my overclocked super turbo charged 5850m :)

    Still run new games great at 1080p and high settings except for a few very demanding titles.
     
    Bob, Jun 23, 2013
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    Not a chance in hell an overclocked GTX 485M can match a GTX 780M in Crysis 3.
    Not even remotely close
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 23, 2013
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    This I wholeheartedly agree with. Saying those two gpu in the same sentence is laughable. But the 485M can still play games well, that's true.
     
    hfm, Jun 23, 2013
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    Most high end gpus are overkill for games these days. I believe the 780m specs wise isn't an underclocked 770gt , but an underclocked 680gtx due to it having he same core and shaders, but the gpu core is -250mhz and the memory is -500 on the 780m. The 485m is still a great card, it performs similar to the 760m or 675m.
     
    elmyo, Jun 23, 2013
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    Wasn't the 770 an overclocked 680? I thought they were based on the same chip.
     
    pranktank, Jun 23, 2013
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    They are but the 770 and 780M both have the same kind of turbo boost.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 23, 2013
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    So the 780m is closer to the 770? These high end mobile chips just keep getting more impressive and closer to high end desktop gpus.
     
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    It wont turbo to the same degree, it's going to be behind a stock 770, but it is the architectural and firmware brother to it.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 23, 2013
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    I just got off of work.

    here goes nothing: I GET 20 FPS IN CRYSIS 3 MAXED VS 21
    I GET 1283 COMBINED FIRESTRIKE SCORE VS 1500
    I GET 38 FPS IN GRID 2 MAXED 8AA VS 48

    What I don't get is how you guys think something then jump to a conclusion based off of synthetic benchmarks

    edit. to upgrade would cost 850 nearly half the price of a new laptop. would it be wise to upgrade to have unplayable games still unplayable or playable games slighly faster -10fps
     
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    Where are you getting your 780 numbers from? Notebookcheck?

    A stock 780M run is:

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/770761

    So a combined score of 1925 so even with the CPU playing a role it's 50% faster.
     
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    I went to 3dmark site and searched benchmark numbers...no need to be mean I agree when its not overclocked its generally 2x as fast

    good day sir
     
    itsjustme84, Jun 23, 2013
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    No reason to be upset that the 780m totally destroys ur card in every way possible. And no not worth to upgrade yet as the 485 still play all games
     
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    Im not upset lol.

    it's all good was just inquire -ing
     
    itsjustme84, Jun 23, 2013
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    Obviously you should just keep your insanely overclocked 485M. It'll still be good for a while yet.
     
    hfm, Jun 23, 2013
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    those OC 485m and stock 780m bench comparisons still seem wrong. There is no way even an insanely overclocked 485m can come within 35-40 percent of a 780m.
     
    elmyo, Jun 24, 2013
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    Will the 780m double the fps on average(in actual games) of an overclocked 485m?

    Sent from a Galaxy far far away
     
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    Yes sometimes more and sometimes less. Depending on the game.
     
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    i remember someone saying that the 680m is 30-60% the speed of the 485m in actual games; and the 780 is 20-30% the speed of the 680m so very well possible indeed.

    i consider the 780m a very good upgrade to the 485m (if it could work on my machine lol). but im still enjoying my 485 and maxwell will arrive on 2014. but for those looking for more gpu power, i think this is an excellent upgrade.
     
    trvelbug, Jun 24, 2013
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