m15x 8600gt/8700gt/8800m gtx

Ok... I am on the verge of either just quitting computing or going for one goal...

I am so mad right now because Alienware and its stupid m15x waiting... If I order NOW I have to wait until March 5th... NO FRIGGING WAYYY

So I decided that I would maybe go with the $2099 or the $2149 setup... maybe upgrade to a 8700gt and later on buy the 8800m gtx...

I HAVE NEVER EVER seen any 8700gt crysis benchies... anyways...

Will this be a wise choice? And how much/hard will it be to upgrade the GPU later on? And maybe CPU too...

You guys are just going to have to tell me because at this point I dont care... ONE MONTH + for a laptop... my gosh...

 

Crysis 8700M-GT benchmarks . . . a bit of searching helps:
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4056

I say grin 'n bear it - wait a month for the 8800M-GTX. Or, just get a Sager NP5793 and get it in half a month. 8800M-GTX is probably 2.5x faster than the 8700M-GT in games.

 

HAHAHA thank you

decided to not buy it and wait

I was just very frustrated yesterday lol

I will definitaly wait for the base version and upgrade from there on...

 

If you really want to buy a fast laptop you should take a look of the clove/sager forum here... its the same as alienware but a lot cheaper...

 

Agreed with Chaz and MegaBUD, get a Sager.

 

Please convince me then why I should get 17inch...

 

Well for starters, re-read your 1st post on this thread.

You won't throw a tantrum when buying a 17" Sager.

 

Yes... I am over that now...
Concrete reasons why I should please...

First of all... my price limit is right around $2000-$2500
I want to keep this laptop for at least 3-4 years
I want to do gaming (hence 8800m gtx for its longevity)
Lots of video, photo, editing and probably a heck of a lot of Sandbox2

I am sure the NP9723 (or w.e) will suit me fine in performance... but isnt it like thick thick and very heavy + bulky ?

 

ALIENWARE took away the $2099 config...
So now I am stuck with the $2149 option
BUT
once you get to the configurator... you only have these options now:
Gaming $3649 ! ! ! and Entertainment $2869 ....

What on earth is going on!?

EDIT: you can change options back down... the cheapest is now $2119... Gaming config when optioned back down... $2149...
I hope they are just changing it so they can run down their stocks of old procs and so...

 

get a desktop and an EEE

 

Don't know if this makes a difference but according to Alienware's site, there are no more delays related to the 8800m. As of yesterday, there was a 21 day delay note tacked to choosing the 8800m. Its gone now. Assuming, its accurate, that should solve a lot of your issue. There is still a delay related to the Smart Bay drives and the Blu-Ray optical drives.

 

If you're going to be staring at a screen for a while, would you rather it was a larger, or smaller one?---Do you want a 15.4" home TV? Why not?

From a cost perspective 17" Sager kills the 15.4" Alienware.

I'd only pay more for less if I REALLY needed a gaming laptop to be small.--You haven't stated the reason you want to pay more for a smaller gaming laptop.

--You could almost get the Sager AND a cheap (non-gaming) small laptop for the same price....almost

 

True! NOT

Its down to February 21st... thats 3 weeks... with or without 8800m gtx

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2938649#post2938649

 

And this is why I hate alienware. I despise their product not because of the product itself which is pretty nice. Their notebooks are of above average quality on bad days and excellent on good days. Their systems are fast and fairly stable even when overclocked or pushed to the limits. But they are horribly overpriced for what you get. Identical components put together as well or better can be had for cheaper somewhere else. It should also be taken as a sign that they are basically owned by dell who are notorious for overcharging ridiculously for some parts such as ram and *some* processor upgrades.

In all honesty I can barely understand how alienware stays in business other than they have the most widely known name in gaming computers. The fact that they almost bully you into buying the most expensive parts you can is another thing that bothers me. The fact that someone is willing to spend their hard earned money with them should be enough, don't try to push them into something they don't want. A man who is happy with a chevy should not be forced into a cadillac especially if he can't afford it. I kinda wanted an alienware when I was shopping for laptops but I was offended at the prices and the way they always rated the most expensive and useless upgrades as "Alienware recommended". This is just another reason I can put on my list of reasons why I hate alienware.

 

A bigger screen will make more justice to the 8800m, a 17" screen is nicer to do serious things, the colling will be better.

 

The fanboy parrot has been going ad infinitum about the 8800 card and the only 15" laptop out there that houses it. Apparently the size difference is so significant that 17" is considered completely unportable compared to the "moveable" 15".

 

Beatsiz, please keep similar ideas/topics in one thread, thanks. I merged your newest thread with this since it dealt with the same basic topic . . .

 

The np-5793 is not bulky at all....comparing it to the sager, its only 1.5 pounds heavier (7 vs 8.5), but the alienware is definitely bulkier when it comes to the wallet

 

Agreed. I will quote myself now when I say that if you really have trouble lifting a gaming laptop then obviously you don't deserve one. The fact that it is smaller is no excuse for it being far more expensive to produce and lacking in performance and latest technology (no penryn? really? REALLY? GG alienware...).

 

I have no other place to get a 15.4 inch 8800m gtx...

I travel ALOT and I will be going around places with it more and more often (band practice, friends houses, school etc...)

I am 16 and I work my @SS off even though most of my family is filthy rich, I have to deserve what I want and start from the bottom of it all, so once I fall later I know how to get back up.

I am pushing the limits so hard to get a new laptop and right now Alienware made me / got me to wait around 2 months... and an extra month if I preorder/order now ?!
And the prices arent even in my range yet... I was expecting a m15x with 2.0 c2d 8800m gtx 1gb (ram and hdd off newegg) and all that for around $2200

Now I got enough to go further just in case... but this is insane...
But... THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION.. I am just waiting and searching... and after a certain period it will definitely just go to sager/clevo or desktop + umpc/eee pc

Since when does the Sager not cost the same? With 8800m gtx its the same price... actually even more if you read the above

 

Lift more weights, you won't even notice the extra pound and your newly ripped bod will attract women.

And why wouldn't you want to upgrade to the bigger screen for less money? The bigger screen gives a larger viewing area. This will keep you from having to strain to see details and you also have a very nice screen for watching movies on. Perfect for watching movies with your new girlfriend (if you already have one now, get the ripped bod and try to get an upgraded girlfriend too ). As far as the screen goes it's personal preference. My C90 has the glossy screen and I love it. Everything is very clear and sharp on mine.

And speaking of my C90, it weighs as much, if not more, than the 17" sager and I have no problems carrying it around with me to all my college classes and to my friend's places for lan parties and the like.

 

Guys, I had to delete 6 posts from this thread because they contained personal insults or referred to posts with them. Our forum rules are that no personal insults are allowed. So, let's just continue the conversation without them.

At any rate, the Sager NP5793 is about $150 cheaper than the m15x with a similar configuration and you could make that difference even bigger by installing some stuff yourself with the Sager. Alienware doesn't allow for much downgrading of components. On the Sager, you can downgrade everything to minimalist specs and install your own stuff, and you can also order it without an OS. And finally, the Sager offers the new Penryn processors instead of the older T7000 series.

The Alienware definitely looks like a nice machine - I have not used one yet but I am typing on an NP5793 right now and it is fantastic. My full review will be out next week or so.

 

I would recommend the sager also. Alienwares are none too reliable.

I agree with Chaz but I must admit this subject of whether to get the m15x has been started numerous times by beatsiz and he gets the same answers and yet continues to make more threads. I can understand how people can get annoyed, because I sure was and am.

 

Sager is basically equivalent to Alienware with a cheaper price

I just customized two almost equivalent laptops and the Alienware was about 400 dollars cheaper, now while the Sager at this price is still above your budget, isnt it obvious that it you do downgrade some stuff the Sager is cheaper.

One more thing to note; a nine pound laptop is not very heavy

 

My main concern is the upgrades... im not very smart on choosing CPU's since some tell me aim for one higher than you can afford and others says 2.0ghz will suit you fine for 2-3 years!...

And the $300 bucks just to get the glossy screen is one of the major holdbacks... its very annoying... I just looked at 2 laptops with matte screens and its not very nice... aaah

But on the other hand... I will wait for a couple reviews on the NP5793 and some news on the m15x and then I will make my purchase...

btw... how about those 20minute abs from dominos pizza's ads I could try that

 

Beatsiz, go with the m15x due to your traveling situation because a 17" is more of a desktop replacement. Wait for the 8800m gtx, it will be worth it because this card most likely will handle any games thown at it for at least two years or more.

 

if you have the money to splurge, go with the faster cpu because it is harder to upgrade the processor than popping in more ram. the 2.0ghz will do since most games really rely on the graphics card.

 

It seems you've made up your mind, but...I used to have a 17 inch Dell, and then I got this Asus, and while this Asus is nice, if I could have gotten a 17 inch model of this I would have. I'm at college, and I don't think the sacrificed weight and screen size is really worth it. Also, I don't know how cool the Alienware is, in terms of temperature, but when you try to squeeze that stuff in a smaller form factor, it definitely can heat things up. Ultimately it's up to you, taking advice from other people is good but don't let them make up your minds. And also, please stop asking us...we've told you like 5 times already

 

I'll suggest you to wait for the 8800m gtx, you'll be disappointed by the performance of 8700m gt. So why don't you just wait.

As for sager or alienware, this time i'll personally prefer m15x as i like the way that you can swap another battery into it extending its battery life to... around 4 hours.

When i do traveling, i hate bringing all the external external stuff along.

 

Okay...

Its weird because it seems that one day I get a bunch of people directing me towards the sager... and now the next day its all about the m15x...

I will wait and see... I am still thinking about both very hard...

BTW... m15x 8800m gtx shipping Feb. 15th... WOW... Now the only problem is... I want the base config... and all the options...

Any way to get discounts on the NP5793?
Any other sites to configure it cheaper than xoticpc?

 

seems like you already made up your mind.. so no sense in perplexing over it now. just wait it out a little, it won't be the end of the world.

 

YES IT WILL! ! ! ! lol

My main concern is... when can I purchase my laptop? as in... all the configs available.. new peryn... etc...

Anyways...

BTW... How is skullcap on your notebook!?
hows crysis and others on you M7700 ?

 

I like his thinking, I'm even considering buying the EEE Asus for uni and leaving my laptop at home. that piece a machinery is sick! you can even supposedely make it a touch screen.

 

One thing that hasn't been mentioned...

When you speak about laptops you are dealing with a balance between performance and heat and weight/size/noise.

Putting a lot of powerful components in a small space makes for heat, which must be mitigated by heatsinks, fans, or spaced out a bit for air cooling.

A 15" laptop with an 8800m GTX will likely require additional cooling to actually be used for gaming.

17" laptops usually have more cooling available than anything the 15" can handle.

Honestly, a 17" probably is better for you anyway as if you want that level of performance, you probably will be carrying around a cooling pad anyway.

The weight isn't a big deal... really.
The size will be an issue on flights... but you learn to deal. Maybe some planning and extra sleep instead of working on the plane is better anyway.

The 15" alienware is nice, but even if I had the cash, I'd be wary of the heat.
I'd likely wait for some reviews as unless alienware pulls some REAL alien tech out of their closet, that is likely goign to be one hot tamale.

 

True... but they do have Binary GFX for on the go etc... So when stationary it may be diff.

I will wait for reviews on the m15x for sure...

Working on the plane with a 15.4inch is good for me... but 17inch... yeah... but only if I fly business or 1st

 

Even with travel, I won't go back to 15".

Full numpad, larger keyboard, speakers that don't suck,(may only be a Toshiba feature) etc.

Yeah, there are times the 15" would have made things a tad easier, but quite frankly having a 17" means I can compute in comfort the REST of the time.

 

I just keep thinking about that Best Buy deal for like $1400 on that gateway 8800m gts...

How much worse is the 8800m gts?

He mentioned upgrading the CPU... I have no clue how I would do that later on... and I cant find how anywhere...

and could anybody list other sites than xoticpc and sager... to configure a NP5793 ? Or any other notebook with 8800m gtx

 

try google or froogle, they work wonders.

 

And take a real good guess where google takes me...

RIGHT HERE.... notebook review...

 

Learn to use the bloody search function then, you've never bothered to use it in your 6 month spiel here. The graphics sticky will tell you the specs on the 8800GTS while the gateway review will give you performance benchmarks of the GTS coupled with different pairs of processors. Finally one user actually has a m15x and is reviewing it (WIP). The Sager and Clevo owners with the 8800GTX should round off the rest of your repeatedly asked questions if you can be bothered to sit down and read through EVERYTHING despite your ADD.

 

Thank you very much

I have gone through the entire list of reviews on the 8800gts in the gateway

I have used the search many times, almost daily.

And the owner with the m15x has a 8700gt in it ...

 

For the love of god man, get the stinkin gateway with the upper CPU, score about 8k in 3dmarks(that`s just 1k less than the 8800M GTX) and be done with it , sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!

/rant

 

You offering pleases kitty?

 

Read this yet? Or this? I assume you've read this as well? And finally this dummies explanation on what the technical info on cards means.

If you still can't find the information you've been desperately spamming the boards for on these forums, go someplace else. Start with google and work your way through the first few pages of search results.