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    msi gt640 performance estimate?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by kvnrthr, Nov 6, 2009.

  1. kvnrthr

    kvnrthr Notebook Geek

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    What games should the gt640 be able to play at native resolution? (1680x1050 i think). And at what settings? low, high, aa, af, etc.
    im thinking of buying it.
     
  2. anothergeek

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    It should be faster than a 4670, but it's resolution-limited by the GDDR3 memory and 128 bit memory bus. It should run the majority of games on high settings at 1440 x 900. The GT640 has a slim chassis, but in exchange for a pound or two you can find similarly priced gaming notebooks with the 260M/4850 or better.
     
  3. sean473

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    Quite stupid of MSI to use GDDR3 memory.. they should have used GDDR5...
     
  4. Ayle

    Ayle Trailblazer

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    Stop complaining. You have a pretty decent gpu and i7 in a thin and light package. What else do you want?
     
  5. Lanaya

    Lanaya Templar Assassin

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    Ayle- Sean473 is never satisfied unless he is somewhere, trolling something. If you look at his posts you'll see 99.9% of them are putting someone or something down for how stupid they must've been to do whatever they did..
     
  6. Darth Bane

    Darth Bane Dark Lord of the Sith

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    Really? i thought 99% of his posts consisted of him saying something "owns" something else.
     
  7. Lanaya

    Lanaya Templar Assassin

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    well, there is a fair bit of that as well =P
     
  8. Melody

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    It should still perform noticeably better than most midrange GPUs despite using a gimped GTS250M with GDDR3. Mind you, as anothergeek said, resolution will be what's most affected due to memory bandwidth.
     
  9. sean473

    sean473 Notebook Prophet

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    Well i'm right to say MSI screwed up.. even Toshiba was smart enough to use a GDDR5 version..and i'm not trolling... and answering the question.. no i don't think you can play all games at high and max AA at your res.. maybe Med with 2X AA.. thank MSI for crippling the capable laptop with GDDR3 memory..
     
  10. Darth Bane

    Darth Bane Dark Lord of the Sith

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    I have to agree on the "msi screwed up" part. Honestly, whoever made that decision should be fired. It could have been a great laptop.
     
  11. JCMS

    JCMS Notebook Prophet

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    But the Toshiba is a 18.4'' right?
     
  12. Cobra03

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    Yes, it comes in 2 diffrent screen resolutions.
     
  13. neilnat

    neilnat Notebook Evangelist

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    Everyone is jumping all over Sean for saying what's true. Of course, compared to a midrange card, the GTS250 DDR3 is very good, but it's a downgrade from the last TWO gpu's to sit in that case. I understand the i7 adds a lot of heat to the case, but since this is targeted at gamers, yes... MSI made a poor decision.
     
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    Toshiba chose GDDR5 for the X505, but gimped the core/shader clock. They clocked the core at a lowly 450mhz, which is crap.
     
  15. Ayle

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    ...It is a downgrade, how? :rolleyes: The ms-165x went from a 9600m gt to the 9800m gs, the gts 160m and now we get the gts 250m which has 32 more shaders than the gts 160m. How exactly is that a downgrade? Also remember that this is a thin and light cpu, not a destop replacement. If you want something more powerful, go buy a m15x or g51j, which are behemoths compared to the gt640.
     
  16. Cobra03

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    It is a slight downgrade due to the GDDR3 on the GTS 250m, If they would have used the GDDR5 version then it would have been an improvement. Still a great laptop which got an i7 and is very light.
     
  17. Purlpo

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    It is a downgrade... it is a gaming machine, after all, and we all now that GPU is much more important than CPU for gaming. I haven't seen any benchmarks, but I really expect this machine to be a little underwhelming. I know i7 CPU's is the new trend right now, but why not address problems mentioned by various reviews such as keyboard arrangement? Why not use gddr5 memory? are they strained by a thermal budget? Hmm.. that brings a lot to think about. The 17" model seems like the real joke, though... exact same specs with a bigger screen and heavier chassis. Where is the 4850?
     
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    I'm sorry, but it is a downgrade. You can't just look at one piece (the shaders) and say it's better. The 250m has a 128bit memory bandwidth while the 160m has a 256bit memory bandwidth (double!). MSI decided to use gddr3 instead of gddr5, which makes the msi 250m nothing more then a die-shrink 9600m gt with 3 times the shaders. At high resolution gaming, it's going to get owned. Of course, at lower resolutions, the 250m will be better simply because the memory bandwidth isn't an issue.

    Look at the 3dmark06 score with a 820 cpu : 7532! (gt740 and gt640 use the same gpu). The vantage scores are decent, but my 160m scores higher.
    http://www.purepc.pl/urzadzenia_mobilne/msi_gt740_nowosc_goni_nowosc?page=0,2

    It's not a bad card, but it would be so much better if msi wasn't stupid and picked gddr5 instead of the slower gddr3
     
  19. Ayle

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    Yeah, I missed the bus width :eek: . In that case it is a downgrade. Should be replaceable by something more substantial. It funny that all those small i7 laptops either use mid range gpu, or high end gpu hybrids. I think the envy 15 use a hd4830 which is an has the shaders of the hd4850 on a 128 bit bus... :mad:
     
  20. tianxia

    tianxia kitty!!!

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    stock is 500c. it's not that bad.
     
  21. Melody

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    Well for most games, you'd be better off with a Quad Core GT628 with a GTS 160M, but I suppose we'll have to wait and see actual gaming performance to assess how much of a downgrade the whole package.

    Arguably, 1680*1050 is still considered a pretty high resolution for games so maybe the GTS 250M won't cut t for newer ones.
     
  22. kvnrthr

    kvnrthr Notebook Geek

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    im back! :)

    Thanks for the g51j recommendation Ayle. Actually, I was aiming for the g51j, but the back cover has some funny artwork, and I don't have the guts to spray paint it :eek:

    anyway, if 1680x1050 is too high, will 1440x900 cut it? And does this gts250 beat the 9800 gs from the gt627 (if it doesn't, then I won't consider buying this anymore :mad: )

    Plus, I just want to ask if ArmA II and Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising can work on this. Thanks!
     
  23. Melody

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    The GTs250M doesn't beat the 9800M GS considering the 9800M GS and the GTS160M in the Gt628 are essentially the same GPUs but the GTS160M has a die shrink and higher clocks IRRC(making t more akin to a 9800M GTS)
     
  24. kvnrthr

    kvnrthr Notebook Geek

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    crap..........
    no gaming notebooks for me then.

    i guess ill try to go for the studio xps 16. It has a radeon 4670. Will that beat the gt640s gpu, or at least equal it or near its score? because i love the rgbled screen too.
     
  25. Melody

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    The HD4670 will be behind the GTS250M, but it's still a decent GPU. It'll handle any game out; it just won't max them.
     
  26. sean473

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    ASUS G51J is good.. Core i7 , GTX260M and full HD screen and should max games.. all for $1499 and cheaper on some online retailers...
     
  27. Kevin

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    Can you game at 1680x1050? No, not without lowering the graphics settings.

    Medium at most, forget anti-aliasing.
     
  28. Melody

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    Meh benchmarks aren't out yet so we'll see how good/bad it performs.