nVIDIA GeForce Drivers 347.12

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For those who are not happy with the latest 347.09 drivers

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Does it fix the problems seen in the 347.09 drivers?

 

Only you can tell as I don't play games so I don't know what problems people were complaining about but they did state that 347.09 were the buggiest driver nVIDIA ever released

 

i don't have a 980m so can't test.

 

I don't either, I hope you saw my sig.

 

I didn't notice any issues with 347.09, maybe it was game/gpu specific issues?

 

Why do you have an AW18 if you don't play games?

Also this isn't even close to the buggiest driver Nvidia has ever released. There have been drivers that reduced fan speed, overvolted, and literally killed cards.

That's because you were unaffected. The main issue was locking out overclocking on Maxwell mobile GPUs.

 

for 980/970m, Overclocking tools such as Afterburner, Nvidia Inspector. Not working . It still got bug for these apps.

 

Are you sure it's a bug and not an intended feature from nVIDIA?

 

Sometimes "features" really suck. It always blows chunks when an OEM or ODM plays god and uses force to impose their will on end users.

Take this fantastic GPU, but use this special gimped driver that won't let you overclock it... if you try to, your overclocking tools will crash.

Take this amazing sports car with 800hp, but only use the first three gears... if you try going past third gear the brakes will instantly lock up.

Take this juicy 12 ounce steak, but only eat half of it... if you try to eat more than half it will turn rancid in your mouth and make you puke.

 

It becomes more and more garbage from Nvidia / Amd / Microsoft / Intel and other manufacturers of hardware and software. It is not certain future looks so bright ..

 

Here is a special message for them.

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shoula overlaid the nvidia logo on the troops being shot LOL

 

The following <S>list</S> book is so long I had to spoiler tag it.

Spoiler

- Maxwell is more power hungry than Kepler if you OC it or turn off the "dynamic power saving" features it has.
- All high performance CPUs in laptops are now integrated and will be integrated for the foreseeable future.
- Hanging around some more desktop-focused forums, I've seen a ridiculous number of actual users assuming laptops' best state is with a ULV chip and a midrange GPU, and if you need more power you should "get a desktop".
- I've seen a ridiculous amount of people attempt to tell me off if I mention heat or power draw with overclocking vs stock the second I mention that it isn't a desktop I'm talking about. "Who the hell told you to overclock on a laptop?" or "you can't talk about heat if you're on a laptop" are the most common responses.
- I've seen people be recommended the Lenovo Y50 and the Razer Blade as "good gaming laptops" by astoundingly large quantities of people.
- I've seen ridiculous amounts of people rationalize that integrated CPU/GPU machines are perfectly fine as they don't plan to keep a laptop for more than 2 years anyway.
- Combine with HQ CPUs being apparently incapable of OCing near their max OC capacity properly (regardless of what you do with power limits), and it spells out a lack of a need for OCing in notebook formats.
- Couple with ridiculously increased power draw on even hugely gimped mobile maxwell beyond stock, and if anything even close to full GM204 comes out, it'll likely be fully locked to stock clocks.
- Power bricks for laptops are advancing at a pace of "do I need an increased power brick to NOT run out of power at stock? No? Then I'm not going beyond this."
- People rant and rave about thinness, even in high performance machines, and then want it to perfectly work under load.
- All good laptop panels are old and long discontinued, preventing bulk-purchases for sale with new machines, due to the niche enthusiast market not being enough to fuel sales for the manufacturer.
- 17.3" and 18.4" laptops have not seen beyond 1080p panels since my D900F's 1200p panel in 2009... this is sad.
- This means that 15.6" models with less space for cooling and powerful parts in general get the bigger screens which, for gaming, need to be driven by stronger parts. I would love a 120Hz 1440p panel for 980M SLI. Instead I have to get a 1620p 60Hz panel in a single GPU 15.6" configuration.
- 120Hz panels and 3D laptops have all but dropped off the face of the earth. I am the only active NBR user I have seen with a P370SM3, the latest 3D laptop Clevo ever made. Back in the P170HM3 days, I could find a bunch of them with single 580M users all talking about 3D gaming.
- X99 draws SO much power it's absolutely impractical to put in a laptop, and clevo has RE-ADDED the P570WM to their lineup on their website, meaning that they're resuming production on it and likely not bringing out a X99 replacement machine anytime soon.
- Optimus cannot be found absent from all but ONE currently produced non-SLI laptop, which is the ridiculously overpriced GT72 from MSI. If you want to grasp how overpriced that machine is, let me put it this way. If I grab the 4980HQ, 3 years warranty and pick NAMED SSDs for the machine (instead of 256GB SSD etc that MSI has by default) and 32GB of RAM, it costs MORE than a P377SM-A with equivalent hardware + an extra 980M (4910MQ, 32GB RAM, 980M SLI, OS included, 3 years warranty, 2TB of SSD storage + 1TB mechanical storage + blu ray drive, and extra money leftover for a 120Hz 72% NTSC panel aftermarket upgrade). Somebody, please, explain this to me. Anybody. Please. Don't believe me, Gaming Laptops - XOTIC PC - Gaming Notebooks - Custom Laptops - Custom Notebooks is your friend.
- AMD has evaporated from the high end market, providing no real competition since the 7970M somewhere around 3 years ago, and even longer for high end CPUs. I don't even ever remember them owning high end CPUs in the laptop market, allowing Intel and nVidia a bit of free reign.
- Drivers and stock vBIOSes are coming out more and more broken these days, and the hardware is still more expensive than desktop cards for absolutely no reason whatsoever. In fact, these cost less materials to MAKE, as desktop CPUs have the IHS instead of the bare die mobiles have, and desktop GPUs come with cooling system + stronger hardware + paste on them + extra output ports.
- Alienware just dropped off the face of the enthusiast market's planet.
- People are ranting and raving about eGPUs with entry level i7s and/or even ULV CPUs... which they're excited to pair with a desktop 980.
- There are no quadcore, no hyperthreading CPUs for mobile in the performance range. Either you get dual core + HT or quad + HT. It's pretty sucky that the choice isn't even there.

Honestly? For gaming laptops the future has been getting bleaker and bleaker for quite a while. I really do hope it gets better in the future, but as far as I can see, it's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better, and it's turning away some of the real laptop enthusiasts. Sadly, there WILL come a time when my CPU (even if I can upgrade the GPU) will not be enough for my wants/needs, and without at least a broadwell MQ line, I can't upgrade beyond a 49x0MQ or 4930MX and keep them clocked to about 4.3GHz (if even achieveable on a single power brick with stock 980Ms or stock Pascal SLI cards, assuming little power draw on them). At that point, if I can't find a suitable replacement, I'm gonna have to sadly move toward single GPU configs and get a desktop. And that'll be a really sad day.

I wrote an after-2am book again.

 

Lovely written .. :thumbsup: Wish I had managed to written anything as beautiful although in Norwegian. . Hope Mr Fox read this. This is poetry. A true story. Lovely.

 

Intelligence just can't compete with stupid en masse... the world will always be a scary place because retards are allowed to breed.

 

Or are they doing these steps because there are more desktop users migrating to gaming notebooks? I'm getting pissed on what they're doing with the trend on gaming laptops.

 

I tried for my p650se, no OC support for 970m, gg nvidia

 

Word my friend..word. So many good points you've made in that rant.

What a goofy road laptop manufacturers are going down. I don't blame them for trying half as much as I blame the sickly sympathizers buying and enabling them.

I look forward to spectating the buyers remorse when it's upgrade time. I have a little chuckle every time I see people thinking a second hard Razor Blade with something like a 860m is going get over 2.5k.

I'll offer $10 for a laptop I can't upgrade or repair so I can melt it down for the silver.

 

Those are your opinions. I like my blade because it's well designed, thin, light, and fast when I need it to be. I knew what I wanted and bought it. If I wanted a 9.5 lb laptop again or desktop I would have done that.

 

Each to their own. They are my observations. It relatively common coming across threads filled with deflated people finding out they can't upgrade their machine since everything is welded together to save a few mm in height. If you're hell bent on shaving those extra few mm's off..that's fine too. But otherwise what's there to like about having all the hardware soldered down not letting you refresh?

Like I said..each to their own. I'd prefer one machine that can do the job (even if it has more heft) and give me access to future upgrades so I don't need to flip and peddle machines every year.

 

It is.

But it isn't a gaming laptop. People widely misuse that term. I mean my 13" HP can play games too... but dear lord it fails at it (FPS wise etc etc).


The Blade is very beautiful and succeeds in it's own sector. I wouldn't call it a gaming machine though..

 

I'm not saying you don't like the Razer Blade or anything, or that it doesn't work for you, but even you must admit that the price and the internals do not even come close to matching, and the single mSATA SSD with no replacement SSDs being sold by Razer and no HDD or ODD caddies among the other things just plain old cut out to achieve the thinness or the notebook mean it's VERY rare that it will suffice as someone's primary machine. For someone with a good desktop who wants to game on the go, it's perfect. But it's not nearly as feature complete as any other gaming-grade laptop out there. But bet your bottom dollar it's the most expensive for what it's got in it. And that's the problems with it. Not that it's not worth it for some people, but that it's not a good example of a complete high-end machine in the first place.

If someone REALLY wants a razer blade, that's fine, especially if they know what they're getting into. But when a newbie comes along and says "hey, I wanna get a decent gaming laptop, what's good for the price?" you don't jump at them and say "What about the Razer Blade if you can afford it? Or the Lenovo Y50 if you can't?".

 

I don't even understand how the Razer Blade being or not being a gaming laptop is even under discussion. It has an 870M and plays games fantastically. It's a thin and light notebook that can game extremely well. If a larger or different machine with upgradability is your requirement that's fine, but saying it isn't for gaming seems like your view of what that means is way too restrictive. Anything that plays games well enough for that to be it's primary purpose and can play any game released is a gaming machine. The Blade can do that.

This is my primary machine for fun, my MPBR is my primary dev box. The thought that only something large or anchored to a desk can be a primary machine is incorrect. Just depends on your personal requirements I suppose.

 

Yeah calling something with an 870M, regardless of what it is, "not a gaming laptop" is beyond ridiculous. Y'all still salty about the demise of Alienware and the high-end gaming notebook market and have run out of things to blame. Try having some class for once, or at least being a little more diplomatic. Begin by trying to start a discussion instead of ending it.

 

Agree with everything you said there but especially these points. I have to add:

Despite laptop GPUs (and CPUs too) having a considerable price premium slapped on them (which like you say makes no logical sense, bar pure corporate greed), we laptop users constantly get treated as second class citizens with huge features such as ShadowPlay very often showing up on on desktops long before laptops. And as you rightly say, we even get treated as second class citizens by many of our own PC gaming brethren, who I refer to as 'desktop elitists'.

 

Didn't say it wasn't a gaming laptop at all. But I DID specify it was designed for someone who has another system and is NOT making the blade their primary system. And hfm even said so himself. It's just his machine for games, and that's perfectly fine. But to someone who is looking for a gaming laptop as their primary, all-purpose machine, it is NOT a good recommendation.

 

I dunno, I've been PC gaming since the mid 80's and laptop gaming since the late 90's when I could finally afford a good machine. I totally disagree that we are in a "dark" time, and absolutely love the way things have progressed.

I've got a 4.4lbs, .8" thick machine that doesn't over heat and can play any PC game out there without issue.... where is the problem? This isn't a viable "gaming PC" because I can't upgrade the GPU or CPU? Or because I can't play at 144+fps on triple 4K monitors lol??

It's a machine that does everything I possibly need with productivity/work, and is a fantastic tool for gaming as well.

Out of all the machines I've had, I can count on one hand the times I've bothered to upgrade a CPU, and have never been able to justify the price to upgrade a GPU.... it has always been a better bargain to sell my existing machine as is and trade up to the newer machine that includes other nice upgrades like PRE USB --> USB1.1 --> USB 2.0 --> USB 3.0 to my next jump that I'm sure will have USB 3.1 or whatever is new at that point.

Each his own of course, and I fully respect those that want a machine that is fully upgradeable! And man has this thread gotten off topic ha! But, just another point of view; things aren't all doom and gloom in the mobile gaming world :thumbsup:

Now, this trend with Nvidia disabling mobile overclocking however does have me a bit annoyed....

 

Didn't say that. But now we lack the choice to NOT get that machine. And just because it doesn't overheat for you doesn't mean it won't overheat for me. I'm a livestreamer; I pour on compression till the horses come over the mountain and if my CPU is at 80% utilization or less while streaming I'm not squeezing out enough quality, as far as I'm concerned. I'm not like you, this is true, but I dislike that if I choose to get a new machine, I lose what I have now.

In my case, an upgrade is an instantaneous downgrade. I lose 120Hz, I lose my 3D emitter, I lose socketed CPUs which can OC properly without getting TDP limited like the HQ ones appear to be (even though they are OCable), etc. It may not matter to you, but as far as I can see, if the new machines have a stronger GPU but the rest of the machine isn't as good as mine, a full machine upgrade is a downgrade.

I just dislike the fact that the entire market (and I do mean ENTIRE) is shifting to getting things integrated and making things thinner, sacrificing potential cooling and other things that could be beneficial to a user like myself.

Again, I'll come back to the main point: choice is good. I'm not going to take a CPU and GPU combo that I *MUST* run at stock or which will falter under heavy load due to limited power allowances by design the next time I buy a laptop. At least, not to make it my primary machine. But right now, there is no "better model". There's newer models; thinner, lighter models. Lacking things I currently have, but with stronger GPUs (which I can put in this machine now). They aren't an upgrade for me.

I'm not saying nobody should buy anything thin and light. I'm not saying that stuff like the razer blade is not a good machine for some people. I'm not saying everyone needs to be like me. I AM saying that the fact that I seem to no longer have a choice to be like me if I were to buy a machine in the near future, after the PxxxSM-A machines from Clevo are phased out? That's the real problem.

And honestly, whether you mind or not... soldering everything to the board is in no way progress. Especially if you get a combination of great and bad hardware. What if your CPU was fantastic and was always cool and you could undervolt it and it'd never drop clocks etc... but your GPU died after a month. You get a replacement and you lost that good CPU forever, because you had to replace the whole motherboard. That's not progress, as far as I can see. And things like that only happen to maybe 3% of the people who buy those things. But they do happen, and it REALLY sucks if you're one of the people it happens to. It REALLY sucks.

 

I do agree 110% less choice is bad of course, but the problem is, those of us that buy gaming laptops are already a tiny portion of the market. Add in your personal requirements, and it's apparently not viable financially. I'm not sure what the solution is here, but your use case definitely cross pollinates heavily with desktop usage.... it seems that particular user base isn't large enough to accommodate currently in the mobile market.

And I agree, I simply play games when I have the time and don't livestream while I play, so any current quad core i7 is way more than sufficient for my needs for now and the foreseeable future, so isn't a concern for me personally. My current laptop will be long obsolete before the CPU is gimping it, so HQ or MQ makes no difference to me, as Skylake is what my eyes are set on that I'm sure will use a different form factor and chipset so wouldn't be upgradeable anyhow.

I do hope someone steps in for the market segment you represent however, as choice is ALWAYS better.

 

I know I come across sometimes as someone who thinks only top end machines are worth anything, but I really don't. I just get annoyed because the other half is advancing and people willingly condemn and alienate my side of the fence, and now choices there are vanishing. It's a very sad thing =(.

This is pretty much why I have a DTR (desktop replacement) XD. The parts for it were made; why not use them =D

 

I dunno. After owning lots of laptops, Razer 14 with 870m included, for short and extended periods, I can say I don't see the appeal of the Razer. For the cost there are so many better options out there, except for the select few that are afraid to turn a screwdriver, and you literally can't with a Razer laptop without voiding the warranty. Heck you can't even change the battery without paying $250 or more to Razer to do so. The electronics are so delicate that it doesn't take much to fry them either. Sure it can game, but for $2k or more I'd gladly take an MSI Ghost Pro over the Razer because at least you upgrade RAM and mSATA and SSD/HDD. The Razer is as hot as a pancake off the stove when running games and just feels like it tries too hard to be a Windows Mac laptop without sense for how it's configured.

Just because something has a decent GPU doesn't mean it's necessarily a good choice for a gaming laptop.

I'm just being honest and objective. I love my Samsung Ativ Book 9 Plus at 0.5" / 13mm thick and no it can't game great, but it has a ULV CPU and integrated RAM and upgradable SSD. But it's a work base laptop not for gaming. For gaming I want something cool running and quiet when I need it to be. My Clevo serves my gaming purposes, and it doesn't try to be the thinnest for the sake of being the thinnest. It just works and prioritizes cooling over thinness. I think the Razer Blade 14 looks slick. It performs decently, but other than the $1200 I bought mine for, and promptly returned within two weeks, I wouldn't touch again for $2k, and barely for $1200.

If you're concerned about looking cool while sipping your latte at Starbucks, enjoy your Razer. If you want the best performance and cooling at a cheaper price, there are much better options out there. To each their own, but that's where I stand.

 

This has nothing to do with the blade and everything to do with Windows. Working for me on OS X is just easier due to it being built on BSD.

I'll be using my blade to game Dev at the global game jam this coming up weekend though. .. Unity and sublime text are enough for that, when I need to interface with Linux boxes all day long OS X is easier.

So that's not the Blade's fault, that would be any windows laptop..

 

Looking cool sipping lattes? Roll eyes... It sits on my lap desk at home 99% of the time. I like the weight, keyboard, trackpad, design, performance and rigidity. So it happens to look understated and designed well. Great.

 

So how about 'em 347.12 drivers, eh?

 

They aren't even final, just Dev drivers.

 

I don't mean that. I mean that the storage/etc options on the blade aren't sufficient to be the only machine someone owns/uses, especially when a new game is ~30-50GB and the max storage you can have is 512GB on it. Unless you wanna use an external HDD a lot.

 

It was a poor attempt to steer this train wreck of a thread back on track, which went over your head.

 

http://youtu.be/4ToR18uvEeI

http://youtu.be/vxM9GHmoxEU?t=5s

 

Are they really that good? I've been using the ".09" and ....yes, I had a little drop in fire strike. But when it comes right down to it, the 980m is such a strong card that everything plays fantastically and I haven't even looked into OCing it. [...though I did DL NvInsp]

Right now I don't even feel the need to play the driver game, I figure I can catch up with other drivers over the months to come and just devote my time to games for now.

EDIT: Although, if there is a driver that lets the 980m use DSR, I'll gladly bother.

 

You're right, that was uncalled for. I guess I should retract that comment. Good people use Razers too. I guess I'm more down on the company as whole. One of those "guilty by association" things.

 

No, I got it.. being stubborn

 

So can anyone with a 970/980M OC with these drivers? One person with the P650SE has said that they can't but can anyone else confrim?

 

Driver 347.12 poor performance, 347.09 much better and more fps in Valley Benchmark .

 

I still have over 100GB of 512 left free with many games installed for no reason really, my Mac only has 256.. It helps I have a NAS for all my music and backup of docs and rarely used files.

 

My results using this driver

 

Wow. I can't use that little bit of storage. Especially with newer games. Wanna play CoD? 50GB gone. Fancy BF4 and its expansions? 50GB gone. Titanfall? 50GB minus expansions. Wolfenstein? 44GB down the drain. Not to mention other games, plus my movies/recordings/etc.

 

Maxwell II has no OC support for that driver

 

Wolfenstein was installed for a hot minute. I removed it once I finished it. I usually have games installed that just sit there unplayed. I don't play cod, bf, titanfall or its ilk anymore so maybe that helps not having multiplayer games taking up space for indefinite periods of time.

 

Yes indeed.. Looks like I'm stuck on 344.75...