The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
← Previous pageNext page →

    nVIDIA Graphics Drivers v361.43 Findings & Fixes

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Dec 21, 2015.

  1. Chrack

    Chrack Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    27
    Messages:
    135
    Likes Received:
    126
    Trophy Points:
    56
    I read in a other threat that a user have the same Windows crash after he flashed prema vbios with the New driver.

    I have @Prema vbios too and cant install the New driver. Tried on Win7 / 8.1 and 10!!
    Is it a coincidence or try nvidia to block now prema OC mods?

    People with the same install problems whats your GPU and vbios?
     
    Chrack, Dec 24, 2015
    #51
  2. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

    Reputations:
    9,368
    Messages:
    6,297
    Likes Received:
    16,485
    Trophy Points:
    681
    Don't even entertain that thought...they didn't block anything..we have tested several systems with that driver and the Mods just fine. Same systems with same vBIOS, some have problems while others don't. Also it seems to dislike older vBIOS in general (stock or Mod doesn't matter).

    That driver is simply a mess for many, stock, mod, notebook, desktop, errors, crashes and black screens for many people:

    https://forums.geforce.com/default/...hql-display-driver-feedback-thread-12-21-15-/
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2015
    Prema, Dec 24, 2015
    #52
    TomJGX, Spartan@HIDevolution, jaybee83 and 3 others like this.
  3. thegh0sts

    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    949
    Messages:
    7,700
    Likes Received:
    2,819
    Trophy Points:
    331
    glad i haven't made the move to the new drivers.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 24, 2015
    #53
    i_pk_pjers_i likes this.
  4. James D

    James D Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    2,314
    Messages:
    4,901
    Likes Received:
    1,132
    Trophy Points:
    231
    I'm sorry, but this recalls me situation when mice were crying, were getting pricked but they still continued eating cactus. (they were hungry)
    [​IMG]
    I wanted to write this long time ago but thought that rights of making a choice must be respected... to some limits as appears :)
    Just stop being hungry of newish graphics drivers - it's dangerous afterall.
     
    James D, Dec 24, 2015
    #54
    Ashtrix, TomJGX, jaybee83 and 2 others like this.
  5. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

    Reputations:
    757
    Messages:
    3,242
    Likes Received:
    2,667
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Why can't they sit down take a deep breath and take however long they need, open-source the drivers, get public feedback for features/bugs/performance issues, and release a sparkling, squeaky clean, bug-free set of drivers?

    Is that so hard?
     
    Ionising_Radiation, Dec 24, 2015
    #55
    Ashtrix, jaybee83, i_pk_pjers_i and 1 other person like this.
  6. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

    Reputations:
    42,712
    Messages:
    29,847
    Likes Received:
    59,655
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Yes :D
     
    Papusan, Dec 25, 2015
    #56
    Ashtrix, jaybee83, zizimonzter and 1 other person like this.
  7. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

    Reputations:
    757
    Messages:
    3,242
    Likes Received:
    2,667
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Damnit. Guess we're stuck with crappy drivers?
     
    Ionising_Radiation, Dec 25, 2015
    #57
    TomJGX, jaybee83, Papusan and 2 others like this.
  8. i_pk_pjers_i

    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

    Reputations:
    205
    Messages:
    1,033
    Likes Received:
    598
    Trophy Points:
    131
    Yes. :(
     
    i_pk_pjers_i, Dec 25, 2015
    #58
    hmscott and jaybee83 like this.
  9. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    FIFY
     
    HTWingNut, Dec 25, 2015
    #59
    Ashtrix, Ionising_Radiation, hmscott and 1 other person like this.
  10. D2 Ultima

    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

    Reputations:
    4,335
    Messages:
    11,803
    Likes Received:
    9,751
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Until they start losing market share because of it... but that would require AMD to be a significant degree BETTER than them, so word of mouth states it's time to buy AMD.
     
    D2 Ultima, Dec 25, 2015
    #60
    i_pk_pjers_i likes this.
  11. sniffin

    sniffin Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    68
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    256
    Trophy Points:
    76
    Driver works great for me.
     
    sniffin, Dec 26, 2015
    #61
    i_pk_pjers_i and hmscott like this.
  12. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

    Reputations:
    4,125
    Messages:
    11,571
    Likes Received:
    9,149
    Trophy Points:
    931
    meh, sticking to 358.91 for the time being :D

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
    jaybee83, Dec 26, 2015
    #62
    i_pk_pjers_i likes this.
  13. i_pk_pjers_i

    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

    Reputations:
    205
    Messages:
    1,033
    Likes Received:
    598
    Trophy Points:
    131
    Me too - I got 358.91 on my laptop & desktop.
     
    i_pk_pjers_i, Dec 26, 2015
    #63
    jaybee83 likes this.
  14. D2 Ultima

    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

    Reputations:
    4,335
    Messages:
    11,803
    Likes Received:
    9,751
    Trophy Points:
    931
    When I stop being lazy, I'm going to 359.00 as it was the last driver that wasn't "for" something. Don't forget guys, this is a "VR driver". May not be for a game, but you know...
     
    D2 Ultima, Dec 26, 2015
    #64
    jaybee83, TomJGX and Spartan@HIDevolution like this.
  15. thegh0sts

    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    949
    Messages:
    7,700
    Likes Received:
    2,819
    Trophy Points:
    331
    yep, 359.00 is decent enough....359.06 has some issues for me with NCP.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 26, 2015
    #65
  16. sniffin

    sniffin Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    68
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    256
    Trophy Points:
    76
    I only really update if there's a game I want to play tbh. I bought Just Cause 3 the other day and I was on 358.91, so I just went to the these ones which included JC3 fixes/optimizations/whatever from 359.06. I feel the same way about BIOS updates, if it works pretty much leave it alone until there is something you need/want.

    JC3 is pretty neat by the way. I didn't play it pre-patches but it runs quite nicely for me.
     
    sniffin, Dec 26, 2015
    #66
    hmscott likes this.
  17. Zymphad

    Zymphad Zymphad

    Reputations:
    2,321
    Messages:
    4,165
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    151
    I'll wait for a huge sale first
     
    Zymphad, Dec 27, 2015
    #67
  18. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

    Reputations:
    1,456
    Messages:
    8,707
    Likes Received:
    3,315
    Trophy Points:
    431
    I got mine for £18.99 and it's totally worth it.. Game has had 1-2 random crashed in 5-6hrs of play but that's fine! Loving it so far!
     
    TomJGX, Dec 27, 2015
    #68
    hmscott and jaybee83 like this.
  19. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

    Reputations:
    4,125
    Messages:
    11,571
    Likes Received:
    9,149
    Trophy Points:
    931
    decided to check out the JC series as well, lets see how it goes :)
     
    jaybee83, Dec 27, 2015
    #69
    hmscott likes this.
  20. sniffin

    sniffin Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    68
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    256
    Trophy Points:
    76
    I don't buy from Steam so I already got it at a large discount (prob the equivalent of 40% off). But I understand if people don't trust those sites.
     
    sniffin, Dec 27, 2015
    #70
    hmscott likes this.
  21. Ashtrix

    Ashtrix ψυχή υπεροχή

    Reputations:
    2,376
    Messages:
    2,081
    Likes Received:
    3,281
    Trophy Points:
    281
    Im getting wierd performance issues with even the 359.12 (hotfix for 860M) driver, seemed alright at first. Since I keep too many tabs open, I guess my RAM is reaching it's limit while gaming....effects dota2 more than borderlands presequel, which is super wierd.

    And now this is bug ridden, some one need to beat em hard for gimping (Well that was rude..but the driver mess since 5 months after that 347.88. So, It's justified :p)
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2015
    Ashtrix, Dec 28, 2015
    #71
    Ionising_Radiation likes this.
  22. Zymphad

    Zymphad Zymphad

    Reputations:
    2,321
    Messages:
    4,165
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    151
    I get games there as well. I mean, $15 for a game of the year edition that includes everything.
     
    Zymphad, Dec 28, 2015
    #72
  23. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Another nVidia fail. I'm sticking with 359.06... Come on nVidia......
     
    Ethrem, Dec 31, 2015
    #73
    Spartan@HIDevolution likes this.
  24. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

    Reputations:
    39,604
    Messages:
    23,562
    Likes Received:
    36,865
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Clevo just updated the nVIDIA Driver on the P870DM-G to 359.00. must be a golden version since it's approved by them. That's what I'm running now
     
    Spartan@HIDevolution, Dec 31, 2015
    #74
    hmscott likes this.
  25. thegh0sts

    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    949
    Messages:
    7,700
    Likes Received:
    2,819
    Trophy Points:
    331
    so there's a custom clevo NVIDIA driver?
     
    thegh0sts, Jan 1, 2016
    #75
  26. i_pk_pjers_i

    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

    Reputations:
    205
    Messages:
    1,033
    Likes Received:
    598
    Trophy Points:
    131
    Nope. It's just Clevo probably thought that the 359.00 is stable/new enough to be "approved" by them.
     
    i_pk_pjers_i, Jan 1, 2016
    #76
  27. thegh0sts

    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    949
    Messages:
    7,700
    Likes Received:
    2,819
    Trophy Points:
    331
    ah, i'm already using that driver so i guess it's good :D
     
    thegh0sts, Jan 1, 2016
    #77
    hmscott, Ethrem and i_pk_pjers_i like this.
  28. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    I didn't really notice a difference between 359 and 359.06 so I didn't see a point in downgrading but yes, 359 is the most stable driver since 347.88.
     
    Ethrem, Jan 1, 2016
    #78
    hmscott, i_pk_pjers_i and Spartan@HIDevolution like this.
  29. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

    Reputations:
    39,604
    Messages:
    23,562
    Likes Received:
    36,865
    Trophy Points:
    931
    yeah they've very close to each other. The point is, when a manufacturer posts a website, say Aliwnare or CLEVO or whoever, it usually has had to go through a bit more tests than the meaningless nVIDIA WHQL tag which means nothing so I think even though older, it gives me that extra peace of mind to grab a driver from my laptop's manufacturer even if I won't have the latest bells and whistles.
     
    Spartan@HIDevolution, Jan 1, 2016
    #79
    hmscott and i_pk_pjers_i like this.
  30. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Another interesting piece of 361.43 info.

    It runs fine on AC power for me on Windows 8.1 GT80 SLI-263, but boot from battery the display driver black screens and crashes every 30 seconds.

    It's very annoying :)

    @Risechi found the problem, I just confirmed it.

    For me I can run 361.43 without problem on AC, and when on battery I run the Intel GPU, so I am going to stay with 361.43 for now.
     
    hmscott, Jan 9, 2016
    #80
    Papusan and Spartan@HIDevolution like this.
  31. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    I've started having TDRs with 359.06 so maybe it's time to update. TDRs on the desktop are unacceptable.......
     
    Ethrem, Jan 9, 2016
    #81
  32. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

    Reputations:
    39,604
    Messages:
    23,562
    Likes Received:
    36,865
    Trophy Points:
    931
    What is TDR bro?
     
    Spartan@HIDevolution, Jan 9, 2016
    #82
  33. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Timeout Detection and Recovery. Aka driver crashes.
     
    Ethrem, Jan 9, 2016
    #83
    Spartan@HIDevolution likes this.
  34. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Maybe just use Driver Crash, it's so much more universally recognized :)

    I have to think about it every time you say TDR...
     
    hmscott, Jan 9, 2016
    #84
  35. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Well TDR is the official name for it from Microsoft. Its built-in to the WDDM platform and basically resets the video card(s) when it has detected something like 2 seconds where the card(s) have stopped responding as opposed to potentially freezing the system or causing a BSOD or perpetually black screen. It's more a driver reset that Microsoft built-in to Windows than an actual driver crash.
     
    Ethrem, Jan 9, 2016
    #85
  36. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Yeah, I know, but you can see TDR's not globally recognized by most everyone :)

    Here are some more globally recognized definitions for TDR :)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-domain_reflectometer

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TDR

    http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/troubled-debt-restructuring.html
     
    hmscott, Jan 9, 2016
    #86
  37. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    It took me awhile to get used to TDR too but it's a lot more accurate than calling it a driver crash which would inevitably cause a kernel panic followed by a BSOD or a straight up freeze.

    Either way, getting TDRs in 2D mode is unacceptable.
     
    Ethrem, Jan 9, 2016
    #87
    hmscott likes this.
  38. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    For those following along...

    Timeout Detection and Recovery (TDR)
    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff570087(v=vs.85).aspx
     
    hmscott, Jan 9, 2016
    #88
    Papusan, Ethrem and Spartan@HIDevolution like this.
  39. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Yeah, that's what I was getting booted on battery with 361.43, the little dialog from Nvidia comes up and says "driver restarting" (or something close to it).

    That's the visible clue for most people, driver reset, driver restart = driver crash ==> nowhere does it say TDR :p
     
    hmscott, Jan 9, 2016
    #89
    Ethrem likes this.
  40. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    You know, I wonder if changing the delay til TDR to something like 5 or 10 seconds instead of 2 would help things any?

    Its ridiculous that throughout the history of Windows, the most common causes of crashes in unmodified (meaning no hardware or software mods to boost performance of GPUs) systems have always been graphics drivers and audio drivers... You would think they would have fixed that by now. I mean really all TDRs are doing is trying to prevent a bug-check BSOD (it will still do so if you get 5 in 60 seconds) so if you think about how often we see them, the situation has gotten much worse, not better, its just being masked by a smart scheduler that detects it before it happens.
     
    Ethrem, Jan 9, 2016
    #90
    hmscott likes this.
  41. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    If the frequency of occurance was low, like one or two daily, trying to extend the timeout might help - if the driver actually does recover at some point within 5-10 seconds.

    But, for the battery TDR's with 361.43, not really, since it is happening every 30 seconds :)
     
    hmscott, Jan 9, 2016
    #91
  42. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Yeah I don't try to use my battery at all lol. I'm just thinking if I change the delay, the graphics driver might not actually be crashing, its getting caught up in something it might resolve on its own. I mean I can run Heaven for hours on 359.06 and I have zero issues with these new cards so it seems odd to be getting TDRs from watching video in 2D mode.

    There's registry keys that you can modify to change the behavior of TDRs

    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff569918(v=vs.85).aspx

    Might be something I'll look into if I get many more. It just started the other day so for all I know it could be a problem with Chrome's pepper API Flash.
     
    Ethrem, Jan 9, 2016
    #92
    hmscott likes this.
  43. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    That was lovely... DDU for a clean install, start installing 361.43, system shuts off and restarts itself. =/

    Edit: just did it again.
     
    Ethrem, Jan 9, 2016
    #93
    hmscott likes this.
  44. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Lol yeah I'm not using these drivers, rolled back to 359. I can't get them to install and DDU is leaving behind the miracast driver and GFE from 359.06 so I just rolled back to 359. What a joke...
     
    Ethrem, Jan 9, 2016
    #94
    jaybee83 and hmscott like this.
  45. James D

    James D Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    2,314
    Messages:
    4,901
    Likes Received:
    1,132
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Correct me if I'm wrong but Nvidia deserved royal Peace Of Crap NBR Award and they worked hard to earn it.
     
    James D, Jan 9, 2016
    #95
    jaybee83, i_pk_pjers_i, Papusan and 2 others like this.
  46. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Yeah that was not pleasant in the slightest...

    On the plus side, dropping from 359.06 to 359 stopped my crashes when Fire Strike would hit the physics test lol.
     
    Ethrem, Jan 9, 2016
    #96
    Papusan, TomJGX and hmscott like this.
  47. James D

    James D Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    2,314
    Messages:
    4,901
    Likes Received:
    1,132
    Trophy Points:
    231
    What I found in the numerous negative feedback here is that the only OK driver was non-GameReady one and that Clevo made it official. I guess it was exactly 359.XX (12 or 00)
    It's worth to remember even if i'm not going to try it anyway.
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2016
    James D, Jan 10, 2016
    #97
  48. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    359 works fine, 359.06 is buggy.

    What I don't get is why 3DMark keeps either locking up the system or causing a TDR when it gets to the physics tests. I was playing Lego Harry Potter with DSR at 4K and everything maxed out last night for a few hours without so much as a hiccup but both Fire Strike and that Cloud something or other won't pass the physics test - FS TDRs and Cloud freezes the system. -_-
     
    Ethrem, Jan 10, 2016
    #98
    Spartan@HIDevolution, i_pk_pjers_i and hmscott like this.
  49. [Nikos]

    [Nikos] Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    287
    Messages:
    497
    Likes Received:
    319
    Trophy Points:
    76
    Has anyone fixed this drivers? I mean, with my system (check my signature), there is no way I could install these drivers and make it even boot up. It will reboot by itself till the end of times.

    I would like to test these drivers because it might solve the problem between SLI 980M with R2 along Prema vBIOS (1.1.1) but as I am not able to boot up I can not tell.

    Anyone with an R2 could make these drivers to work?

    thanks
     
    [Nikos], Jan 11, 2016
    #99
  50. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,110
    Messages:
    20,384
    Likes Received:
    25,139
    Trophy Points:
    931
    @Prema has already posted here:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...43-findings-fixes.785618/page-6#post-10165174

    And, here:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...enix-has-arisen.781814/page-237#post-10164236

    And, here:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...enix-has-arisen.781814/page-236#post-10164061
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2016
    hmscott, Jan 11, 2016
    #100
    Ethrem, TomJGX, Prema and 1 other person like this.
← Previous pageNext page →