nVIDIA Whisper Mode

nVIDIA Whisper Mode just appeared with the latest GeForce Experience!

Coming soon in the next driver



@Mr. Fox @Prema @Papusan @bloodhawk @TBoneSan

 

I can smell Max-Qrippled is on its way

 

What's "Whisper Mode"?

 

Just a technical way to say the Max-Qrippled GPU will throttle the hell out of itself to keep the fan noise down. :vbgrin:

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shhhhhhhhhh.........

 

Oh look... a gimp mode button. How long before they remove the button and keep it on?

 

This is gets more amusing every day.

 

The question is... Will Max-Qrippled work with advertised clock speed if you don't install Nvidia's bloat?

 

Yeah, "whisper mode" is for lunatics that communicate quietly with voices in their head that nobody else can hear. The voices say things like " NVIDIA loves you, and you love NVIDIA" and " Your fancy little baby-girl turdbook is so thin and light and beautiful, and it is powerful enough no matter what the enthusiasts say" and " You're doing your part to save the planet... you are so special... your mommy is so proud of what a big boy you are now" etc, etc.

I'm kind of scratching my head though, Brother @Phoenix. Why do you even have that worthless GeForce virus bloatware crap installed?

 

Because it auto sets all the settings that are best for my GPU for games. I don't have a clue what to set or what's good or what's not or what's overkill or what will kill my performance.

 

That's easy. One setting for all things. Global Profile > Power Management Mode: Prefer Maximum Performance and Texture Filtering - Quality: High Performance, then turn off pretty much everything else, including v-stink. If you're sold on G-stink then turn that on. Nothing else needs to be turned on or enabled. GeForce driver profiles will take care of the rest for you automatically. You can tweak the important settings inside of the individual game configuration options.

GeForce Experience is only there to let NVIDIA have control of your machine and monitor what you do with it. And, that's only the cancer you can see. There's a crap ton of other filth lurking in the shadows, watching, phoning home, and degrading your performance unless you use a @j95 driver mod.

 

Maybe you can find useful guides on the web. This Guide isn't the newest. You have probably seen it before.

 

This really only seems nice if your super rich, don't need 1080 level performance, and just really value a quiet machine over everything else. Maybe thickness too I suppose.

 

Do super rich people really have the time to actually play games? They can just get business class laptops with quadro GPUs, as they are not that thick. They are made to sustain whatever load the user throws at and still function at a moderately quiet level. This consumer class MaxQ trash is a disgrace.

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I actually think it's the other way around. I think it's more likely that super rich people probably don't do this stuff. I'm not poor, but far from anything that resembles being wealthy and I chose this hobby because it's doable on my adequate earnings. It still requires pinching and scraping to get the money to do it, but it is one of the most affordable forms of pleasure available for an average middle-class working man like me. If I were rich I would be building street rods and classic muscle cars and wouldn't have time for computers. Car, boats, fancy houses and frequent vacations to exotic destinations are what rich people blow their futures on. I haven't spent as much on computers in 10 years as what just one of those luxury items cost, LOL

 

Rich or poor, stupidity is everywhere. Even Acer corporate couldn't find enough rich people who would buy the amazing 21" screen and the suitcase.

 

Totally agree. Here's the thing though: Super rich or not, everyone will eventually need a computer or a laptop at some stage of their lives, be it expensive or not! What actually annoys me more is how NCripple still attempts to lure the average customer into "testing" their "new" anti-consumer acts (Average = Macbook owner level enthusiast, can't disassemble bollocks and must send everything over to get them tweaked or repaired). Is Max-Q even something new? A year ago I was able to help a friend lower temps (and fan noise) in his Asus gaming laptop by flashing a custom vBios and undervolting the GPU. Isn't that technically what Nvidia sells for a premium? What I actually see today is entirely locked bioses and no "official" ways to flash what I'd call an enthusiast bios. What's worse is how most consumers don't know what a vbios is.

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Well... Uh they can? I'm not sure you get what being super rich lets you do lol. You don't need to have any responsibilities at all anymore. Do whatever you love.

A quadro gpu is pitiful for gaming and not at all what I was talking about. Anyone can buy a Precision 5520 instead of a Clevo P650HS.

 

You slightly don't get my point...

1- Buy a much cheaper machine with a non Max-Q GPU
2- Undervolt CPU and GPU or underclock if necessary (Can be done with an unlocked bios and/or a smaller PSU)
3- Enjoy "Whisper mode" as Nvidia calls it and charges a price for it

Why would anyone pay a lot more and do what can be done absolutely free? My remark about being super rich was mainly to reply to your theory. And yes, super rich people do better things than sitting at home with consumer Max Q laptops, I can assure you that

P.S I'm well aware quadro GPUs are not optimized for gaming, but please get my point - You can buy a much better business class machine with a Max Q consumer laptop budget... That's what I would absolutely do if I was rich xD

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The point of whisper mode is it's quiet while gaming on good settings. Not quiet in general.

So if you want a thin laptop with a powerful graphics card to game on that is also quiet get Max Q. Yeah you can undervolt existing cards, but those are in thick chassis machines.

And business machines are either too weak to game on the same level, or if you spend enough just as thick.

Like it sounds like you mean buy a Precision 7720 or something. That isn't remotely thin. And a Precision 5510 is too weak.

 

I brought Business class laptops for the sheer fact most Max-Q laptops will cost the same, if not more. They will be bloody expensive.

You do realize my argument applies for all kinds of laptops right? I can purchase a cheaper, say, MSI GS63 for 1500$ with a GTX 1070 (although it doesn't exist). Knowing it gets way too loud during gaming loads, I'll just take my time, donate to Svet so he could unlock the bios for me, and I'll do all the job Nvidia basically does (and sells for much more) allowing my laptop to not just game silent at good settings, but be silent all the time.

My argument isnt against Max Q laptops and how light/beneficial they could be for a good portion of customers, but against the Max Q practice itseld. I think it's absolutely useless because I know for a fact I can turn a full power GPU (back ans forth) to function however I want it to. Max-Q will leave you stuck with a crippled GPU (and probably inconsistent FPS, I highly predict FPS drops).



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Your using a laptop that doesn't exist to make that comparison? The point is you can do that with a 1060, but these new 1070s it will come like that out of the box.

Yes we are more than capable of doing it on our own, but 99% of people don't know how and don't care. You are right we could do that with a 1070 in a thin GS63... But you proved my point, it doesn't exist. So now that it will it'll probably barely edge out a 1060 but be a lot quieter and anyone can do it.

I'm saying this as someone who is not a fan of Max Q at all. I agree with you I just didn't really understand why you were making that argument. Like a 1080 in a .8" chassis just wasn't a thing before even if you wanted it to undervolt and downclock. Now it is. End of story.

 

Let me rephrase it for you - It's finally possible for a non-enthusiast perspective Manufacturers refused to insert powerful GPUs into thin chassis' knowing average consumers can't tweak them and will thus get'em fried. I personally can't blame Nvidia for yet another practice that's beneficial for a "plug and play gamer", as I call them XD and not just that, anyone who's not interested in servicing their laptops will gladly pay half a grand more for less (but silent) performance.

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It's finally possible for anyone in a thin chassis.

I'm an enthusiast. Say I want a 1080 in a chassis well under and inch. What are my options? The Razer Blade Pro? That's terrible and still .9" The new Acer Triton is .7" with a 1080.

I can tone down my P650RS's 1070 but it's 1.2" thick already.

We've always been free to ruin our gpu performance. The point is now you can do it in a super thin chassis where the trade is worth it to some. That wasn't possible for anyone before. The machines didn't exist.

 

Ah, but you can get an MSI GS63 with nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q now...MSI GS63VR STEALTH PRO-002 or 17.3" MSI GS73VR STEALTH PRO-033

 

first 1080 MaxQ a glorified 1070, then a Button for fps capping, which i guess is the same as the FPS Limiter that exists in nV Inspector since some time, wow. *crippling intensifies*

 

Honestly, I get the point that the marketing and concept of Max-Q and associated technology is fairly shady, but what did the planet do? Especially @Mr. Fox... What's wrong with efficiency? Let me give you an example... Graphene-based cores are supposed to be hundreds of times as efficient as current silicon technology. Would you rather your P870KM with the WHIRRRRRRR or a thin, silent machine with equally as much performance, but draws a hundredth the power?

If not for efficiency, by the way, I don't think you guys would've had 1070s and 1080s on MXM in the first place.

 

So, the choice in thin and lights is now either the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060, or nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q, which delivers more power with less heat than the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-P.

Everyone was begging for more than the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060, now they have the choice.

I just don't understand all the bashing. It is what it is, which is certainly better than the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060.

 

What about the price people will have to pay to probably gain a slight increase in performance over the 1060? That's where it gets problematic: If you exclude the benefits Max-Q laptops will have (Heat and noise, which aren't even put to test, yet), the performance increase per dollar might very well never be worth it, hindering Max-Q's worth.

 

The issue is in fact the price....because if they charge the same as for the 1070 max Q as the standard 1070 for only slight performance increase over the 1060 then the value is questionable although some might be willing to pay for the performance increase even if it is not that much. Now if the 1070 maxq performs slightly better than the 1060 and generates less heat and noise then perhaps...I will wait and see.

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Hopefully it really works as described. People will most likely pay for the comfort these clocked down GPUs provide. Even if the cost is too high, heat, noise and thickness will be the three main criteria for paying the premium. Performance comes fourth.

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Where are you getting slight performance increase over the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060?

It is only a slight performance decrease from the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-P

 

Just speculating considering that the standard 1060 is about 80 watts and to fit the 1070 Max Q in the same form factor it shouldn't go much over 90 watts to have similar thermals....so I am guessing a 15% boost...if they do in fact deliver a 25% boost or more than maybe it will justify the price, even better if they sell the maxq at a lower cost than the standard to reflect this.

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Speculation and guessing is what starts bad rumors, and unnecessary flaming.

See - http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-1070-Max-Q-vs-GeForce-GTX-1070

In no way is the new nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q "slightly" better than the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060.

As for price...if you don't like it, don't buy it. No need to bash it.

 

Let's see what a 'true' test says. I've never trusted GPUBoss to begin with, as their info are not always accurate...

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I am just saying, let's be grown ups and withhold the bashing until we get some real data.

 

The rumor started with the Acer presentation showing an unknown card speculated to be the 1080 Max Q with a benchmark only slightly better than a 1070. I guess it will really depend on each machine and how much TGP they will implement since it can potentially vary quite a bit and thus the performance. Eitherway, I will only be upgrading with volta but I am interested to see the designs and performances that comes with this Max Q.

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Here is some more reading, from what most people consider a fairly reliable source -

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1080-Max-Q-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.224730.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1070-Max-Q-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.224732.0.html

The nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q is # 11 on the Class 1 list, just under the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-P. It is above the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti desktop GPU, and the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M in SLi. The nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 is # 27.

 

WTF? Whisper Mode?

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Before taking the GPU ranking on NBC as reference, you should check what the asterisk beside the entries means...

And NBC is not a trustworthy source when it comes to benchmarks and performance analysis, especially when it's about Nvidia.

 

Considering the laws of physics and thermodynamics, can you see a realistic way that a Max-Q variant can come close to the performance of it's existing notebook comparative in terms of performance?

 

UGLY from my point of view.. LOL

 

The whole mechanism looks like it could properly function for a few weeks before you hear weird crackling noises.

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i just want GE for shadowplay and recording some games in 4K that's all i want! none of this max-q gimped garbage!

 

Mirillis Action cost money, but you can finally get rid of Nvidia's bloatware

 

I have Mirillis Action. It's good for the most part but sadly it's not as efficient as Nvidia Shadowplay and seems to drop frames a lot more.

 

i just discovered that bitdefender was causing a conflict with shadowplay so I uninstalled it and now shadowplay works again....odd really.

 

I was thinking I was insane? Happened on my Clevo... bye bye Bitdefender, hi Avira my old friend

 

NBC did an article about the whisper mode and the Max-Q "design":

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-Max-Q-WhisperMode-Information-Initial-Benchmarks.230426.0.html

Technically it is just an automatic fps limiter, predefined for each title.

They also started reviewing the ASUS ROG Zephyrus with 1080 Max-Q (german only atm). Performance is as expected, just on par with a "normal" 1070.

 

*cough* can recommend ESET AV *cough*

even when GE is working now, you could give OBS a go, it can use the NV card too + you can do some finetuning