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    nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, May 9, 2015.

  1. HTWingNut

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    You guys are all nuts. The 990m will very likely just be an underclocked desktop GTX 980 (probably right around 1000MHz), same 2048 cores, with 6GHz GDDR5 vRAM, and it will be here late October. Source: Aliens.
     
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    Wow, sounds like it will be pretty sick with all those Hertz! Is it safe to go ahead and pre-order now?
     
    moviemarketing, Aug 11, 2015
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  3. J.Dre

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    I think I'll sell my home furnace. The 990M is cheaper and has a 'burn down my house' feature.
     
    J.Dre, Aug 11, 2015
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    Yes, pre-order price is your first unborn child. ;)
     
    Thorne, Aug 11, 2015
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    hope ure not being serious...we dont even know the specs yet, plus the price is expected to plummet from preorder to regular level once the cards are actually available ;)

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
    jaybee83, Aug 11, 2015
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    Guys, if I put two 990Ms in my laptop in my hot room, will I last one or two hours before my laptop explodes into flames and I can get a replacement skylake desktop CPU-using SLI model?

    I'm taking bets
     
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  7. J.Dre

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    [​IMG]

    "Presenting the GTX 980MTi, a full-throttling experience, never before seen, made possible with our latest GeForce Driver technology." -NVIDIA
     
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    no mxm version though...
     
    pathfindercod, Aug 11, 2015
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  9. kothletino

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    What with the promises from MSI about compatibility with future graphics cards in gt72 and gt80 models? There is MXM3-b.
     
    kothletino, Aug 11, 2015
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    kothletino, MSI is requesting we send our laptops in for upgrades. If MSI needs to swap the Motherboard as part of an MXM / MXM interface upgrade, that's ok by me :)
     
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  11. NuclearLizard

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    Im not entirely sure how the BGM process works if thats how they bolt the cards onto the boards...but what is stopping the vendors from aquiring the chips and then doing that process onto the board for the mxm?

    From what I understand is that either the board would have to cycle through intel and nvidia to have the stuff mounted or they would send the chipsets to the companies to mount them themselves.

    Is it Nvidia that mounts them on the mxm board or another company?
     
    NuclearLizard, Aug 11, 2015
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  12. Cakefish

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    Maxwell MXM GPUs aren't available in the UK. They're an extremely rare breed these days.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
    Cakefish, Aug 11, 2015
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  13. Cloudfire

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    Well the OP is certainly posted to all over the internet now :eek:

    I can see these scenarios:
    GM200: 2432 cores @ 1000MHz
    50% faster than GTX 980M. Add driver optimizations we are up to 60%+ which isnt far from 980M SLI.

    GTX 980Ti with 2880 cores @ 1120MHz = 250W TDP
    15% less cores, smaller memory bus, and lower clock will get it down to 190W TDP. Which then can be made to a mobile GPU with lower voltage of course.
    This option means bigger die, but our MXM cards and heatsinks can easily take a 600mm2 die. Plus for Nvidia to get rid of GM200 chips with broken cores. Minus for us the customers because the GPU won`t be cheap.
    This option is the closest to the 980M SLI the Hasee CEO stated earlier.


    GM204: 2048 cores @1120MHz
    40% faster than GTX 980M.
    Using an exisiting chip we already have in mobile, Nvidia can easily offer this option.
    Minus for Nvidia to use full GM204 dies that dont have any damaged areas on mobile instead of in GTX 980, but on the other side production GM204 could be extremely high meaning Nvidia is trying to find products to sell these as.
    One would think this chip would be cheaper than GM200, it probably is too, but only a little bit because Nvidia will price gouge for sure stating this is the greatest product since bread and butter.
    This option however won`t be near any 980M SLI performance.
     
    Cloudfire, Aug 11, 2015
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  14. Any_Key

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    Is it wrong I want this chip to exist not because of the performance, but because I want to see the laptop chassis that will handle the heat management. I can only imagine it will look like something that came out of Road Warrior/Fury Road.
     
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    Unlikely they'd design a product (laptop) around a single mobile GPU that will be obsolete less than six months later (Pascal). It's more likely you'll see "Razer Blade like" performance / throttling in normal machines. Loud, hot, throttle.

    Laptops are getting thinner and lighter, not bigger and heavier.
     
    J.Dre, Aug 11, 2015
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  16. NuclearLizard

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    Nothing wrong with wanting a laptop thats shiny and chrome.

    personally im waiting for pascal though if its too far off i might look at the 990m options.
     
    NuclearLizard, Aug 11, 2015
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    I vote for Option #2 the GM204 option!
     
    Robbo99999, Aug 11, 2015
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  18. Any_Key

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    This guy gets it.

     
    Any_Key, Aug 11, 2015
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  19. hmscott

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    Butane Injectors, 4 Chrome Pipes fed per exhaust, started and ignited from high rpm fan speed during heavy gaming / benchmarking...just like that guitar / car flames shooting out.

    MSI / Asus??
     
    hmscott, Aug 11, 2015
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  20. Splintah

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    I could see MSI doing something like that long before Asus
     
    Splintah, Aug 11, 2015
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    Batman will run circles around it not breaking a sweat.
     
    Mr Najsman, Aug 11, 2015
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    yes there is a mxm3b standard but everything released to date on the 990m is its strictly a soldered solution with no mxm modules available. So if MSi stands up to their advertised promise they will be switching out your modular motherboard with a soldered solution...
     
    pathfindercod, Aug 11, 2015
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    MSI said they were gonna support MXM cards for 2 generations.
    They never said which GPUs they would support...Could just as well be midrange as long as its in a MXM package. Or AMD cards if Nvidia start doing only soldered for mobile...

    Or if both AMD and Nvidia start only doing soldered due to HBM complexity, MSI will find a way to blame them....

    You hope that or see it as the most plausible scenario? :p
     
    Cloudfire, Aug 11, 2015
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  24. jaybee83

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    well, seeing as ODMs like clevo and MSI only get the chips from nvidia but actually design and build the mxm boards themselves, theres nothing really standing in the way of this 990M being an mxm factor card :) but remember, the info we have thus far is that this gpu will have variable tdp levels from 100 - 185W, might be that the clocks for mxm versions are far lower than the BGA version...
     
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    Haha, I'd LIKE to see the 2500 core mobile monster rear it's magnificent head, but I EXPECT that it'll be a full GM204 (2000 core) - that's still pretty awesome if the clock speeds aren't neutered!
     
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    Yeah I highly doubt GTX 990M come only as soldered. I have seen MSI GT72 listed with GTX990M, there are Alienware 18 sold with GTX 990M SLI and the guy I spoke to few days ago said they have tested Clevo GTX 990M MXM cards.
    So Im not entirely sure Notebookcheck have that info correct since Clevo too will feature 990M :)
     
    Cloudfire, Aug 11, 2015
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  27. J.Dre

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    "Full" GM204, that's all I've been wanting.

    It's glad to see everyone come back to reality now. I was worried for a while.
     
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    is alienware bringing back the 18inch model or are you trollin? lol
     
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    Pretty sure it was the original Alienware 18 with MXM. Someone allegedly upgraded.
     
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    Alienware 18. It was listed earlier but is closed now. Not sure if it was sold or not :p

    http://www.ebay.de/itm/High-End-Ali...4#viTabs_0&clk_rvr_id=876608386608&rmvSB=true

    Still hoping for a GM200 here :)
     
    Cloudfire, Aug 11, 2015
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    Yeah that one, only with GTX 990M SLI.

    Maaan I can`t believe Dell is still selling the AW18 with freaking GTX 880M SLI.
    How I hate that company. The CEO came to this forum with an engineer and promised us Maxwell compability since GTX 980M worked horribly with AW18. Nothing ever happened.
    Screw Dell. :(
     
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    @J.Dre @Cloudfire

    And here i was hoping dell had smartened up and was gonna give me an all in one powerhouse package for all my portable gaming needs. maybe after pascal releases. or these GA things flop
     
    NuclearLizard, Aug 11, 2015
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    I wonder what happens if they do fulfill their promise. You know, how would you react?
     
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    Nah, it just went private. Michael Dell and Silverlake just bought Dell. They have to pay off some bills, so they need to reduce costs (go cheap).

    Doubt they'd reverse the changes. Would be shocked if they did at this point.
     
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    Its too late for me. But Id be happy if they fixed it for other people who want to use 980M and 990M.


    But I`m not holding my breath. They have locked down the system so hard you need to be extremely careful while playing with BIOS and hardware. Otherwise you have hours of resetting because the BIOS is protected and there is no easy way to revert changes in BIOS.
    Opening it up would help people getting CPUs to work better, flashing GPUs etc etc, but they refuse to help.
    And they went fully retard from offering socket CPUs and MXM to soldered CPUs and GPUs.

    They are so stuck in their moneybin they dont give a flying F about anyone except mindless drones that fall for advertisement. Dell can go to hell. They have lost my respect
     
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    I'll keep this in mind. If things don't change, then they don't. Just means there's MSI and Clevo left for the kind of market Alienware lost.
     
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    yea, dell and aw has been very tight on not letting people do things with the system.

    im coming up on having to replace my system which has had me browsing through the tech to see what i want. i got to admit i like a lot of clevo and msi stuff. im just debating on waiting for pascal or to leap now. lol.

    Edit: I have been thinking, i myself have moved into liking sli set up's, do you think the new G-synch would clean up microstuttering? if it does i wonder if vendors would dtart including it in options or as part of a package.
     
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    if its really 980M sli in one gpu the price is actually comparably low but itll surely tank once the gpu is actually available, right now its just insane preorder pricing...

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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  41. pathfindercod

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    Fellas... I think this is the beginning of the end. I'll almost bet the 990m is the beginning of nvidia collaborating with OEMS or forcing them to use BGA chips instead of allowing mxm modules...
     
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    The era of MXM ended a couple of years ago in UK. It is not possible to buy a Maxwell MXM 980M GPU here without importing from abroad and paying extortionate prices.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    Hopefully MSI will keep us all in the game for a while longer
     
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    The end of an era huh. I guess 980M SLI is the last, unless MXM for 990M comes out properly.

    Oh well, I still stand by it: Unless a Skylake, overclockable, unlocked TDP CPU with SLI and 120Hz panel in a 17" format comes out that can handle at least two 330W power bricks comes out, I'll just upgrade this as far as it can go and leave it.
     
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    so if it's a full 980 desktop chip but using less power, then how does it outperform the 980?

    and also, which big event coming up between now and q4 would it most likely be announced during? if the rumors are true, you know nvidias ceo is going to go out on stage and flex those giant biceps and brag about the power in a laptop for the crowd to go wild and please the share holders. lately he's been trying to act like the new steve jobs when he's on stage.
     
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    Lately? Jen-Hsun has always been like that.
     
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    A full GM204 in mobile will not beat a full GM204 in desktop. Desktop GM204 aka GTX 980 reach almost up to 1250MHz in games. For GTX 990M to beat that it would not only have too high clocks.on the cores but also very high memory clocks.

    Much better to go the GM200 route with 2432 cores and lower clocks like 1000MHz. Not just to sustain clocks the cores can do without throttling but also to have some additional room for overclocking.
     
    Cloudfire, Aug 12, 2015
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    well i hope they do the gm200 with more cores because that will benefit my video editing more than higher clock speeds. plus obviously gaming performance will be good enough
     
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    prob more config cuda cores and lower clock, just like always. is there a chance for pascal to be on mxm? 16nm.
     
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    From what im hearing it will be on mxm -maybe the last mxm- i cant see why it wouldnt. companies like clevo and msi seem to build around it.
     
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