nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

With your Prema Mod bios I'm sure you're running that Core2 @ 4Ghz and that FX @ 700mhz , so I think you'll be fine with VR

 

I still have a Compaq Presario V2000z with an AMD Turion 64 ML-30, 512MB ram and ATi Xpress200M. It could barely play CS:Source at 60FPS in its heyday lol. Believe it or not I was still rocking this laptop for the first 4 months of 2011. Looking back I have no idea how I survived this laptop and vice versa. Never repasted or de_dust'd once in 6 years, and the machine actually shut down about a dozen times due to CPU overheating. Yet somehow it still managed to chug along. By May 2011 this thing was taking about 10 minutes to boot into Windows XP, and another 3-5 minutes to open Firefox lol. I got so used to 30 FPS gaming that when I gamed at 60 FPS for the first time, I was like "holy puckballs this is amazing". And I think this Compaq got me completely desensitized to jaggies, so I have no problem turning off AA completely to maintain frames, something I'm not complaining about.

Well a fully kitted out desktop will definitely end up costing more than a maxed out laptop. However the desktop will also run circles around the laptop. Also if you're content with just "maxed out gaming laptop" performance, you could definitely build a desktop for (less than) half the money, so in that respect desktops are still cheaper.

 

This thread...

 

Okay

 

That ought to cheer you up.

 

This gave me PTSD

 

Post-Traumatic Smilie Disorder?

 

Better?

 

*renaming thread title: octiceps speculation thread 2015 - when is he finally gonna crack a smile?* gentlemen, place your bets

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I'm always smiling

 

omg

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The thread should be renamed to Emoti(c)ons Gone Wild

 

You guys and your old laptops... My oldest laptop is a Dell Inspiron 1720 with a C2D and a 9600M GT.

 

This is an emoticon: :\

This is an emoji:

And I am a Nazi

 

Oh come on should've been pretty obvious what I was trying to do with the (c)

And yes you are

 

Yeah I get it, Emotions Gone Wild.

I blame having to deal with Comcast today.

 

It's all good. Been tuning my 4930K all day so basically have a 300W space heater in my room and sweating my tail off.

 

Let's go back on topic please.

 

Looks like NVIDIA is in big trouble. We all know it wouldn't have last any longer though so this shouldn't come as a surprise. http://www.game-debate.com/news/?news=18010&game=None&title=The Vast Majority Of DirectX 12 Games 2015 And 2016 Are Partnering With AMD

"red corner of PC gaming has already sorted out partnerships with the vast majority of DirectX 12-capable titles coming in 2015 and 2016.". AMD has far better DX 12 support meaning that all r9 300 , fury lineup and even r9 200 series will be competing and beating the 900 series. NVIDIA needs to get its **** together otherwise they can kiss the 82-18 market share goodbye.

 

nice, 101% market

lets see what kinda dirty tricks nvidia will pull outta their hats this time in order to stay ahead of the game

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101%?

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Anyway, AMD is going to be a little bit ahead but Maxwell 2 does support async compute via a software scheduler. It will have a little overhead but not like people are thinking.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-will-fully-implement-async-compute-via-driver-support.html

Maxwell 1 doesn't seem to support asynchronous compute and will suffer massively in games optimized to make heavy use of it. GM200 and GM204 both use software queues with the rest in hardware.

AMD is going to look really stupid when the dust settles.

 

yeah he changed that now. before it was 83 and 18

 

So angry, I forgot how to add anyways, I hope NVIDIA learns from their mistakes and either makes Pascal a very good GPU or patch the existing ones. This is a slap to the face. AMD developed DX12 related things with Vulcan and mantle for a long time now so I can see why they would have the upper hand but that difference is just way too large to "brush off". I read that maxwell 2 does support asynchronous compute but AMD has been researching and polishing this technology way more than Nvidia cause they were busy polishing DX 11 instead. @Ethrem , I hope you are right cause right now people are extremely salty towards NVIDIA, won't be surprised if a ton of class action lawsuits are filled against them. Now NVIDIA lost partnerships with games like Deus ex, ark survival, Arma 3 and so on due to this.

 

Its not something that you can sue over. NVidia supports DirectX 12 features that AMD does not. Async compute support is there, it needs to be coded. It won't be as efficient as AMD's but it will work. We should just be thankful that 970M and 980M are GM204 because the 860M, 960M, 965M, and all the desktop cards built from Maxwell 1 do not support async at all. AMD still has a sizeable advantage though - Maxwell 2 only has 2 lanes and 32 CUs while AMD has 8 lanes and 64 CUs. AMD has had years to refine GCN and they played their cards well but Maxwell 2 does have hardware support and also is heavily overclockable. nVidia has to play the catch up game right now but this happens every time there is a new API... Never expect full support for all features from any vendor at release. I think nVidia underestimated how quickly it would be adopted, hence their half-baked approach to it. Time will tell how much of an impact it really has.

 

@Ethrem - I hope your wrong and think you will be wrong. But here is why. Nvidia will be the dx 11 king still and it's performance will rival, to a degree dx12. Amd has more advanced compute power and can do a couple things that, so long as games are programmed to use it, will come out better on performance. I don't think Nvidia will catch up until Volta at earliest.But that doesn't mean not competitive. Another article discussed the reasons for the partnerships being the console market causing programmers to learn to utilize and better. Directx 12 won't be big until 2017 anyways, so it is moot, giving amd a couple years ahead. In the scheme of things, that's nothing, but will help on paying debts. No one looks stupid, as you said. But it will prevent a market competitor from folding!

Edit: sorry for the typos. On my phone this morning.

 

My comment about AMD looking stupid specifically refers to their marketing guy that keeps blabbing about how Maxwell doesn't support async and such on Reddit. It does, just not the level AMD does. I'm also not entirely convinced by Oxide... Keep in mind that they have been biased towards AMD from the start with Star Swarm... I want to see what happens with other developers.

As for DX12, its going to be big way before 2017 unless Microsoft flops on Windows 10 (which seems unlikely given that the average consumer will love that the operating system does everything for them, regardless of privacy).

 

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amds-...re-more-friendly-to-parallelism-than-maxwell/
Quite similar indeed.
Anyways, both parties don't truly support DX 12 as there is no such thing as true DX 12 due to it still being in its infancy stage:
http://wccftech.com/amd-full-support-dx12-today-fury-missing-dx12-features/

 

DEUS EX MANKIND DIVIDED or ark survival evolved too

 

That's why I found the console argument more compelling. By getting Microsoft to adopt similar api elements, getting into both Xbox and ps4, and Intel backing freesync, amd is positioned for really good support in coming years. Oxide has a slant and Nvidia spend more on software developers. What will happen is amd, in paying of debt, won't be able to capitalize on partnerships while leading Nvidia, then it gets closer to what people know...

 

We will have to wait until 2016. By then, nVidia should have the drivers out. It's going to be interesting to see how UE4 performs... Its heavily optimized for nVidia. Lol.

 

The other side of the story is by the time we see any decent DX12 games the next batch of cards will likely have been out for a while and none of this will matter.
Having said that I'm actually cheering for AMD.

 

Traitor
Nah just kidding, healthy competition right

 

Yeh... I wanna see AMD force feed Nvidia some humble pie... and restore balance to the galaxy ...

 

As far as I'm cocerned, as long as AMD doesn't release a proper MXM GPU for gaming laptops, they're irrelevant for me... It's disgraceful that they haven't even tried in the last 1-2 years at all... They can scream all they want about desktops however I will be a laptop gamer for the forseeable future due to the lack of space in my flat...

 

I'm hoping that power efficient Greenland makes it to mxm! Since fury nano is almost within reach (which would be awesome in mobile), Greenland could make it to duke it out with Pascal!

 

This is fantastic news! I really hope AMD can steal back some market share.

Until I read this recent news I never considered my next card to be AMD but who knows now...

Competition is great!!

 

so whats the deal with the 990m? any more updates?

 

Isn't the GTX 965m GM204?

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2634/geforce-gtx-965m.html

 

Oops, my bad. Was running on 2 hours of sleep, these things happen lol.

 

It's not only just MXM, it's AMD-gaming laptops in general. As of now, there aren't that many new/upcoming AMD-gaming laptops. You can pretty much count the number of them with a hand.

• Aliewnare 15 R2 (R9 m395x)
• Lenovo Y700 (R9 m380 / R9 m385x)
• Did I miss one or two?

As for upcoming Nvidia-gaming laptops, you'll need more than two hands. Possibly more than two feet too. At least both have at least one new GPU offering later this year.
I'm surprised Clevo hasn't gotten any R9 m295x / R9 m390x or R9 m395x GPUs, yet Alienware and Apple have (although, the latter is for the their iMac lineup). And all this means is that whatever benefits AMD gets with DX12 / Vulkan on the desktop side won't be as noticeable on the laptop side because of the small amount of options compared to Nvidia.

Ugh, 2 hours of sleep. I think we all know how that feels.

 

In a year, things may change. I plan on getting next year's flagship depending which is better. Other than that, waiting to hear about 10 and 7nm. I believe 10 will be the smallest for now (like the new 28nm). Time will tell...

 

As far as I know this is pretty much the list. Quite some time ago, in the R9-M295X thread, I said that the Apple deal would most likely ruin their partnership with MSi, it seems that I was right. There's no more GX series, and there was actually a rumored Z72 (based on the GT72) with Intel CPU and R9-M295X, which should've been more successful than the GX series... AMD chose Apple so this is it. Also in case you don't know, most MXM modules are made by MSi, no matter the brand of the laptop. So I guess that's why there are no recent AMD MXM modules, except the Zentrica's ones (they are the manufaturer), and why we see only soldered solutions. It seems that it was a package deal. Anyway, even if things settle at some point, as I said earlier in this thread, I'm pretty certain that the first HBM MXM module would be nGreedia one. Hope that I'd be proven wrong, but the lack of MSi behind AMD and MXM Sig owned by nGreedia only leads to the above conclusion. If you are waiting for HBM MXM, rain check this year.

 

I am interested in getting a SAGER NP8652 once they get refreshed with Skylake. Do you think the 990m is going to be put into it? Or is it going to only be in the heavier laptops like Batman, GT80 and ASUS GX700.

 

hmmm could be tricky with that thin chassis...on the other hand, the 980M is cooled by two fans in that machine and runs very cool indeed, so thermal headroom would be potentially sufficient... we will see in due time i guess

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Didn't really know this, so this is helpful to know. And I don't remember what you said in the m295x thread, so there goes my memory.
In other words, there's a rare chance any OEM (Alienware, Clevo, ASUS, etc... that's not MSI) will get an AMD MXM?

 

Don't hold your breath...

 

Thanks! That saves me from wasting a few months waiting for a card that won't be released into the laptop I want anyway.

 

AMD has formed a new Radeon graphics division and put its highly-regarded CTO, Raja Koduri, in charge. The Radeon Technologies Group will run quasi-independently of AMD with the goal of recapturing market share from NDVIDIA and "staking leadership positions in new markets such as virtual and augmented reality," according to CEO Dr. Lisa Su. Koduri is a key figure in the graphics industry who developed the first DirectX 9 graphics cards. He later helped Apple build its Retina program during a tenure as graphics CTO before returning to AMD in 2013.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/10/amd-forms-radeon-graphics-division/

 

That is good. Very good. AMD hasn't given up *yet*
Let's see what they can do with a refreshed goal and focus on beating team green.