nVidia GeForce 8000 mobile and desktop GPUs discussion

Please continue all your nVidia GeForce 8000 series discussion in this thread.

 

So, we've seen 8800M GS in drivers before, and 8700M GT on the Clevo page (which is intrestingly not on the page anymore). The 8800 in the driver indicated it was a G84. My guess is, they decided to keep the 8800 name for later or not use it at all for mobile chips, and renamed 8800M GS to 8700M GT.

Just my 2-cents.

 

Hopefully the 8700M GT will be like the (unreleased) desktop 8600 Ultra: G84-based, but with a 256-bit memory bus. Two of those in SLI wouldn't be half bad. It's just a matter of when it will be released:
The Nvidia website says that enthusiast 8M-series (presumably the 8700M GT) will be released this summer.
As mentioned in the thread on the Clevo Board, this page (at the bottom) reports: " NVIDIA shared with us that GeForce 8M based SLI notebooks might take off later this year in July and that more variety of these high-end gaming-class notebooks should prevail than there are available currently. They also put a note that SLI notebooks based on the Intel Napa platform might debut during the Computex 2007 timeframe"

Hopefully this means that we'll see some SLI 8700M GT sometime in July/August.

 

that would be amazing

 

Joga QTF. Would be great to see an 8700GT Mobile in 15.4" gaming notebooks. But I still prefer a card for a 17" notebook, like the 8800M or something. But nVidia should really use a 256 bit 512 MB GDDR3 video card, that would rule.

I used to be an ATI fan but now I say: nVidia for the win!

 

I have a question. I am getting the HP 99500t and well how much will it cost to have the 256 8600 in the laptop when i am choosing my components. Can anyone help

 

I think you mean dv9500. No one knows the pricing for models with the Nvidia 8600 card but my best guess would place them to be about $150 - $200 more than the integrated graphics versions, all other specifications being the same.

 

This was a reply that I made to a 8600M benchmark thread and I thought I might as well copy it here:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-...ist.844.0.html

The 8600M GS looks to be equivalent to the Go 7700 while the 8600M GT is faster than the 7600GT but decidedly slower than the Go 7900GS, about MR X1800 vanilla level. The MR 2600XT looks to be about equal ot the Go 7900GS though.

8600M GS = Go 7700 < Go 7600GT = Go 6800 Ultra < 8600M GT = MR X1800 vanilla < MR 2600XT = Go 7900GS

It depends how much you trust the 3DMark numbers. I'm still suspicious right now after the desktop 8600 series churns up great 3DMark numbers but can't back it up in real games.

 

Is there any indication of an MR 2600XT card being made available in a 15.4" or 14.1" laptop?

Petrov.

 

3dmarks is nothing, until they show some game benchmarks we can only suppose how good new cards will be. IMO 8600GT will be equal to 2600XT. Same situatuion was with 7600 vs 1600 case, in 3dMarks Radeon has better scores but in real life game framerates was the same. Nevertheless, having 14" with 8600GT/2600XT would be awesome...but without DX10 games cards are useless.

cheers

P.S. It's good to see that my 7600 vs 1600 comparison is still sticky, after almost 10 months

 

Agreed with both Joga and Notebook Solutions. The higher up cards from the 8600 absolutely MUST come with at least a 256-bit memory bus. A 128-bit bus is so crippling, as evidenced by all benchmarks for the 8600M GT.

Ideally, if there will be some sort of 8700, that will have a 256-bit bus no exceptions, and the 8800 will have a 320-bit bus at best or a 256-bit bus at worst.

 

Yup, if the 8700M GT had something like 64 stream processors + 256-bit memory bus (like the proposed 8600 Ultra; whatever happened to that thing anyway?), I think that would be perfectly reasonable for a laptop card.

Then later on (winter, late 2007/early 2008?) after a desktop 65nm refresh, maybe laptops will get a 65nm 8800M with a core similar to a desktop 8800GTS (96 stream processors, 320-bit bus). We can only hope.

 

Nice... We all hope so... and ATI will turn in the HD 2700 with 256bit but make the 120 streams available on the mobility. I m such a dreamer.....

 

So from what I gather the new mobile nvidia and ati cards do not perform substantially better than the 7700/x1600 series? And all of the fuss is essentially only for dx10?

 

Can someone tell me how they would rank the NVIDIA® Geforce 8600M GT graphics card? Is it high-end, performance or something else?

 

Performance. Replaces the Geforce Go 7600/Geforce Go 7700, with performance similar to a Geforce Go 7900GS.

 

Nooo, they are more powerful than the 7700/x1700 series. They are only that tad weaker than the 7900gs in dx9 games. Dunno where u got the impression that they are just on par with the 7700 or so...

 

So is it expected that the 8700M GT will be available in smaller than 17" laptops? I don't think I could wait until late summer, fall, and definately not winter.

 

Hmm ... I'm not too sure about this. I think the 8700M is meant to be the lower end version of the 8800M, but instead of naming two 8800M chips the 8800M GS and 8800M GT or something, they're just going to have an 8800M GTX and 8700M GT.

I'll go perusing about this right now.

After some minutes of google searches, here's what I have. Not very revealing, though ...

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/05/17/clevo.901c.notebook/

http://www.laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=2436

 

Man I wish they'd just get rid of the sub names... (GS/GT/GTX/XT/etc). Just use easy, simple to use numbers like 8600, 8650, 8700, 8750, etc. I guess they think they can get more money the way they have it. Oh well.

 

Can't really expect anything. Just gotta wait and see what happens I guess. That's what I'm doing since I've been waiting this long and have been disappointed thus far with the new cards. In this case, waiting is definitely worth it.

 

Good finds. 3 weeks until the 8700M is released? Interesting... I'm also wondering if that includes SLI 8700M's? Neither link mentions SLI, but we know for sure that the 7950GTX's will be available in SLI; is it safe to assume that the 8700M GT's will be as well?

" the 8700M GT will be faster still than the 8600M GT introduced last week and is said be clocked high enough to double the last-generation GeForce Go 7600 GT's benchmark performance."
Double the performance of the Go 7600GT would be roughly equal to (or a little better than) a Go 7950GTX. Interesting that they only say "faster" and "clocked high". Is the 8700 just an overclocked 8600M GT? I would hope the 8700M GT would at least have a 256-bit memory bus...

 

Considering they're considering putting the 8700M GT into the Clevo D910C notebook, which is that massive 17" brute that has SLI graphics cards (originally the D900 was equipped with the two SLI Go 7950GTX's), I'm sure the 8700M GT will be SLI compatible.

 

If they're putting the 8700M GT into the D900C/D901C, it should have a 256-bit interface AT LEAST. Maybe 320. The 8600 Ultra theory sounds the most realistic to me, espceially since we've seen the 8800M GS in drivers listed as a G84.

All this talk of 8800M and 65nm refreshed makes me want to wait for ASUS C80. That'll be a 17'' desktop replacement with the X38 chipset and DDR3 support. No talk of SLI, but X38 does have two PCIe 2.0 x16 slots, so it looks likely. Maybe desktop Peneryn(I forget it's name) will be there too.

 

Penryn is scheduled to debut in Q4, while Bearlake and DDR3 are set to debut in Q3. It's unlikely Penryn would be put into laptops until early next year.

 

well,P35 and DDR3 are already available!

 

Yeh, we kinda have this discussion before... Go 8800M GTX2xS... @.@ they really made it so cconfusing...

 

Nah, I'm not going to wait that long for something I don't even know if it'll have SLI or not. And ASUS has never gone entuusiest on its notebooks, just high performance like 7700 and 8600M so far. I guess if they're making a 17'' and 19'' X38 one, though, it implies enthusiest, but not necessarily SLI. Maybe we will see mobile Crossfire though.

 

I know I'm just a neophyte here, but it would seem to me that, if the 8700 GT has the performance of a go7950 GTX, then would it not also follow that it has the exorbitant price tag of said card? And if this is so, would not a more value-minded buyer desire an 8600 GT instead? Just wondering.

 

Well I wouldn't call you a Neophyte even if it is appropriate, but yes, I agree that the price will likely be high. I was apalled that to upgrade a Dell XPS from a 7900GS to a 7950GTX was $400. If you need to game that bad just get a desktop and haul it around with you. I used to do that all the time with my hitachi cm823F 21" monitor. Rather enjoyed it. As for laptops, it make much more sense (to me) to get a card that is so so with gaming. It's not like you're going to be pushing high resolutions anyway, so a mid range card should do fine. 8600M GT on a 15.4" WSXGA is what I'm in the market for.

 

Are they planning to use these cards in 14/15 inch notebooks? And will the power consumption be higher than the go7700?

 

I agree, mryerse, as I believe that paying $400 extra for a card that will be just as outdated in two years' time as a 7900 GS, at least at high resolutions, is ridiculous. And I too, am looking at the 15" line, and may just have found my answer in the Asus G1S. Its specs are wonderful, its price is right, and it's still luggable, unlike some 20" gaming monster from the likes of Voodoo. All I'm waiting for are game benchmarks for it, And then I'll be about ready to buy. $1800 still does leave a mark leaving one's pocket, no? Maybe a Christmas present to myself....

 

Yes, the 8600M GT will be available in 15.4" notebooks. Haven't seen any power tests yet. Nvidia claims they've improved power efficiency in similar ways Intel as with Centrino. Also, with DVD and HD decoding abilities, it should take some load off CPU. But until I see someone actually test it out I wouldn't count on it being much better. My hope is certainly that they have vastly improved on power efficiency

 

Yeah the G1S is definately up there on my list. It's either that or the T61P. It would be my top choice if it wasn't that I'm taking it to Iraq, so I might opt for a little slower gaming performance and get a system that seems to run cool and I know is solidly built (T61P).

 

Yes, in that case, ThinkPad would be a bit better choice. Not that the G1S doesn't have good structural integrity, but ThinkPads are built like tanks. Almost literally.

 

Just found a couple sites taking pre-orders for G1S, asking about $2000.

How much better do y'all think the 8600M GT will be at gaming than the 570M?

 

Doubt there'd be too huge a difference, from what little I've read. It's not listed on notebookcheck, so I don't really know all that much about it.

 

I ask because this preview puts the 570M in the mainstream class with 8400M's, not in the performance class with 8600M's. If that's true... G1S.

 

It seems that the 570M that's purportedly in the forthcoming T61p may only be as "bad" as the 8400M GT.

The two lower end 8400 mobile cards have 64 bit memory interfaces (like the NVS 140M in the Thinkpad T61 14.1"), but the 570M has a 128-bit memory interface like the 8400M GT.
(Though max. memory on the 570M is 256 MB, and on the 8400M GT it's 512 MB of video RAM).

So, worst case, it's in the high-end of the mainstream class...though I hold out hope it performs better than that.

Some 570M specs: http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadrofx_go.html
Some 8400M GT specs: http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8400M.html

 

Im looking to buy the Sony FZ with the 8400GT. Paired with 2gb ram and 2Ghz should this be able to comfortably run bf2142 and c&c3 at moderate settings?

 

I don't think C&C3 is a very demanding game. I would check how the Go 7300/7400 run those games. The 8400GT should run them a bit better.

 

Are there any mobile GeForce 8000 series notebooks I can use with Windows XP? If so which ones? I have been trying to find some.

 

Just guessing here but I would suspect that considering it's a DX10 card it wouldn't work very well with XP since it only supports DX9.

 

if you use a DX10 card on XP,you'll really a fool..
coz the only OS that supports dx10 is hastalaVISTA,baby..
micro-hard sure sucks..why they ever don't let gamers select OS as they like.
i think that if even there are 8800s,i won't choose them..
just look at the battery power of XPS1710.well,a 8800 will suck is more,maybe twice

 

Will there be a 8800xx card in a 14" laptop? ASUS one maybe? hopefully...?

 

Highly doubtful in a 14 inch its even doubted that they will work in 15.4 but I think the c90 will support it.

 

What are you talking about? Do you know how many people are running 8800s on XP? The computer I'm on right now has a 8800GTS and seems to run XP just fine.......

 

sorry..means that the LAPTOP,not desktop
haha..i apologize for the mistake

 

Very unlikely.

 

Actually, Nvidia has officially announced that it has developed 8800M GTX, GT, and GS for notebooks. It is very likely.

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June 5, 2007
At Computex 2007, Nvidia showed the NB8E, a 22W version of the GeForce 8800 for notebooks. It will probably come out this summer and be the most powerful notebook video card available. The original desktop GeForce 8800 used over 100 watts of power so some heavy modifications have been made in order to keep the power consumption down. Changes have been made in the manufacturing process and to the way the chips function. There will probably end up being three models - the GeForce 8800M-GTX, -GT, and -GS.
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