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    nVidia GeForce 8000 mobile and desktop GPUs discussion

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by mujtaba, May 16, 2007.

  1. Warrior1986

    Warrior1986 Notebook Consultant

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    Fascinating. Link to the article?
     
  2. RogueThunder

    RogueThunder Notebook Consultant

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    Its a bit less demanding than that ^.^

    My 9200m 32mb radeon, pulls it playable. Admitedy, its a high preformer for what it is... but still. The 8400gt, should run respectably and smoothely.
     
  3. Undoing Ruin

    Undoing Ruin Notebook Geek

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    hey guys! i'm new to this forum, so i am not entirely certain if this has been covered yet; if it has, i would greatly appreciate a link. anyway, i'm going to college next year and am looking at a desktop replacement notebook. i was going to purchase the dell inspiron e1705, but decided to go for the hp dv9500t series due to overall better specs.

    basically, i am asking in regards to the graphics card i have chosen in this laptop: the nvidia geforce 8600m gs. the dell i was going to purchase featured the nvidia geforce go 7900 gs. now, here's my inquiry: which one is superior? the obvious choice would be the 8600m gs due to its dx10 features and overall better specs, but i am confused about the 128-bit memory interface versus the go 7900 gs's 256-bit memory interface.

    i am looking to run vista a bit better than what i experienced on my friend's desktop, which he claimed was due to incompatibility of the drivers for vista. does the 8600m gs run vista a bit smoother than most gamers are used to because of its dx10 features and overall upped specs? and is it superior to the go 7900 gs in terms of performance?

    i am a huge n00b at pc specs/gaming/etc. so please bear with me! any added info would go a long way to ensuring the value of my purchase.
     
  4. otispunkmeyer

    otispunkmeyer Notebook Geek

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    well it would, last time i checked the 8800 supports shaders from DX10 all the way down to the original, XP's DX9 included.

    also last time i checked, XP doesnt use GPU acceleration for it GUI, its all done on the CPU. you dont even need Direct X installed to run XP, just need it for games.

    Vista is the only OS to support DX10. XP will not, nice little ploy to get people to upgrade, because when those fully DX10 games come along you wont be getting any of it on XP....it'll be DX9c for you.

    DX10 cards work on XP just fine, backwards compatibility FTW
    DX10 SOFTWARE, will not work on XP, for that you need Vista.

    (worth noting, you only need a DX9 card to run Aero and all DX9/8/7 etc games will run on vista too)
     
  5. otispunkmeyer

    otispunkmeyer Notebook Geek

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    welcome

    well here goes, your about to get caught up in the contradictorary world of mid-range graphics.

    8600GS for the most part and DX10 aside, will not be faster than the 7900GS. it is a lower mid range part

    the 7900 while based off a previous generation chip, the DX9c capable G71, is actually the faster card. it is a previous gen high end card.

    im not certain of the overall specs but it must have at least 20 pixel pipe lines and 12-16 ROPs (render outputs), also its 256bit memory interface makes its memory bus width double that of the 8600's (so if the both used the same ram, the 7900 would have double the memory bandwidth)

    now your probably saying, the 8600GT/GS have 32/16 pixel shaders a piece and theyre clocked pretty fast. well in the video world they dont call a spade a spade. what the 8600's have is stream processors, theyre fairly simple processors but they are very versatile and very fast. they can be used for pixel, vertex and geometry shading.

    the 7900GS uses the now "old way" of doing things, it comprises 20 dx9c capable pixel shaders and 7 vertex shaders. seperated processors that only do one job. because they only have one job, they can be very good at it and so the G7x's do have plenty of raw power.... especially in popular games out now that use DX9

    the 7900 also, (im educated guessing here) has 12 ROP's and texture units. if i have done my homework right, i think im right in saying that the 8600's will only have at the very most 8 (though i think it might actually be just 6). (on the 8600GT, even less on the GS)

    and in todays games, where texturing is still heavily used its clear to see why the 7900 will best the 8600's. and when coupled to that memory bus, with its much higher bandwidth it is able to handle these textures (with filtering and anti-aliasing applied) much easier.

    the 7900, while lacking DX10 features, is a very well balanced card. these new 8600's seem to be more focused on shader power...and rightly so, thats where we are headed, but its taking a while.

    if you jus wanted a good gaming card without consideration for anything else such as filter quality or power consumption or heat, the 7900GS is a better choice. because by the time you cant play games on it because theyre all DX10 you''l probably a) be ready to buy a new computer b)not care and c) the 8600GS/GT's probably wont have the grunt to play them anyway.

    i would personally chose the 8600's - im not a huge PC gamer anymore so outright performance doesnt concern me. id chose the 8600's based on their power consumption and their ability to decode HD video, because i value longer battery life and being able to watch hi-def more easily over gaming

    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...rk-List.844.0.html?&or=&search=&sort=3dmark06

    have a look there, the 7900GS is above the 8600's in the list.

    word of warning though, 3d mark while a standard way to compare cards, is not the be all and end all. recent cards like the 8600.... given their heavy shader power usually put out some decent scores...roughly close to previous gen's high end.

    but dont be fooled, actual game benchmarks wit todays games (with all their texturing and especially with AA/AF applied) the 8600's performance doesnt look so rosy
     
  6. Undoing Ruin

    Undoing Ruin Notebook Geek

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    wow. thank you SO much for this informative reply. i am used to being on gaming forums so i was definitely not expecting anything this great. anyway, i really appreciate your thoughts on the matter. after doing some more research, i realized nvidia is planning on coming out with some more cards from the 8 line. i'm thinking something along the lines of an 8700m gs with a 256-bit memory interface.

    coupled with that, someone else replied to another thread i had started, and claimed dell is soon going to refresh their inspiron line for santa rosa, possibly including a high-end 8 series card in their flagship notebook. i start college some time in early august, so i think i am going to wait until dell decides to do this. i think i can survive a month or two at college without a laptop if it means it will be a bit more future proof in the long run.

    i don't honestly care as much about pc gaming as i used to as well; i am a big 360 gamer now. unfortunately, the reason i have not been as avid a pc gamer is because my desktop is really lacking. the most i can do on it is play 1.6, bf 1942, and wow on LOW. so, i had to disregard the titles i really wanted to play like anything on the source engine, bf2, coh, c&c3, and slew of others.

    and, after working a good deal during my high school career (and graduation money!), i finally have enough to buy a high-end entertainment pc. i wish i could afford an xps or an alienware, but it's definitely not in my budget as a student. a good amount of my close friends play a lot of bf2 and dod: source, and i'm stuck playing halo 2 alone on my xbox.

    so, i definitely NEED a laptop for college for economic purposes and i figure since i have to get one, i should get one that can handle gaming fairly well. after reading your reply, and others, i think i'm going to wait 'til dell releases their line of updated inspirons.

    hopefully, they'll have one with a card superior to the 8600m gs and the go 7900 gs so i can handle gaming for once. plus, i wouldn't mind running crysis on even low. =]

    thanks again and what do you think of my plan!?
     
  7. Undoing Ruin

    Undoing Ruin Notebook Geek

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    hey guys is the 8600m gt superior to the 8600m gs?
     
  8. Zero

    Zero The Random Guy

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    Yes, the 8600M GT is a faster graphics card. The 8600M GT has twice as many stream processors and is clocked higher on both the memory and the graphics core.
     
  9. Ardent

    Ardent Notebook Guru

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    Is it worth it to upgrade from the 8400M GS card to the 8600M GS card for $150?
     
  10. Zero

    Zero The Random Guy

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    It depends on yourself. The 8600M GS is quite a bit more powerful than the 8400M GS, and if you game, then the extra power will be a advantage. If you don't game, then spending $150 on an upgrade, may not be the best idea, becuase that money can be better spent on other upgrades, such more RAM.
     
  11. Ardent

    Ardent Notebook Guru

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    Ok, thanks. I am a gamer (waiting for Hellgate to come out), and I guess I'll go with the upgrade.
     
  12. R4000

    R4000 Notebook Virtuoso

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    This is pretty much my situation. The only games I play are old, so the 8400M GS seems ideal. The $150 jump to an 8600M GS can get me a nice set of dual hard drives instead. :D
     
  13. Joga

    Joga Notebook Evangelist

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    X-29 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Nice catch!!! Now they just need to list some specs for it...
     
  15. RoyalScion

    RoyalScion Notebook Consultant

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    Sorry to bring this up again, because I"m sure it has been before, will I need Vista to use the 8000 series cards?
     
  16. Joga

    Joga Notebook Evangelist

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    Nope, the 8000-series cards work just as well in XP as in Vista (although you'll need Vista if you want to enable pretty DX10-only effects.)
     
  17. sinnasmurfen

    sinnasmurfen Notebook Guru

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    How about drivers for XP? I heard that with the new ones (I'm getting the GeForce 8600M GT) driver support will only go for Vista? Anybody know?

    Think I'd like to stay with XP even when buying my new lappie, but if the 8600M GT is truly optimised for Vista then surely I'm better off with Vista, yes?

    Anybody have any experience with this card? Seems pretty darn good to me.
     
  18. Laelaus

    Laelaus Notebook Enthusiast

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    I'm new to this graphics stuff, can you explain to me exactly what this does for a gpu. I don't know what "128 bit" really even means, so i guess if you can tell me that I should be able to figure out what the implications are if one has 256 and one has 128...
     
  19. illmatic2609

    illmatic2609 Notebook Deity

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    I'm probably going to wait until September/October to get my laptop because I am seeing a lot more new things being released this summer. Hopefully, I will be able to find a 15.4" notebook within my budget of $1700 that has a good graphics card that can run games like Crysis and Bioshock on at least medium settings or low comfortably.

    Also, if they are releasing 8800M for laptops....then, theoretically, how will the 8700M GT match up against the 8800M GTX, and will the GTX be worth the money?

    P.S. - To the person that wanted to know how these cards would run Tiberium Wars....I run that game on medium settings with mild lag even with my crappy Intel Media Graphics Controller 945. So I am positive that the 8500M (GS or GT) will run the game perfectly.
     
  20. mujtaba

    mujtaba ZzzZzz Super Moderator

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    It greatly affects the memory bandwidth and the GPU's overall speed [because it boosts the framebuffer too]
    And according to here, it's bus is a dual-rank 128-bit :
    [​IMG]
    Some good info here :
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=132785
     
  21. Dodoman

    Dodoman Notebook Consultant

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    What exactly does "Dual Rank" mean though?

    EDIT: Scratch that. You answered it in the thread you linked to :).
     
  22. xerxes106

    xerxes106 Notebook Consultant

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    Im looking mainly to run medieval 2: total war on a notebook
    how will
    hp 9500
    2ghz 4mb 7300 intel
    2gb ram
    and a nvidia 8400gs

    will I be able to run the game on high settings or is it a better idea to save up an get the nvidia 8600gs? I'll mainly be running rts games on the computer and I'm not that techno savvy with the video cards....
     
  23. mujtaba

    mujtaba ZzzZzz Super Moderator

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    I really suggest you wait for the 8600GS, it's DX10 and will be much more powerful.
     
  24. dave116

    dave116 Newbie

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    I would like, Nvidea to come with a mobile 8700GTS. I wrote on nvidea about it.. I think 1 other person had the idea too. Plse let know if
    this becomes available
     
  25. Crimsonman

    Crimsonman Ex NBR member :cry:

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    I very highly doubt an 8700 GTS is coming out, just get a 8600 GT or an 8700 GT.
     
  26. JCMS

    JCMS Notebook Prophet

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    They won't do that

    The 9500M GS just got released, a bit betterthan the 8600MGT in DX10 but it's essentially the same card. The 9600GT got released so the 9600M GT should arrive by summer
     
  27. Warrior1986

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    Links? I know that 9 series have slowly started to roll out for desktops (but not the high end 9800) and looking back it has taken a little while for the equivalent GPUs to come out for notebooks.
     
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