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    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by TehDeuce, Jul 24, 2008.

  1. TehDeuce

    TehDeuce Notebook Enthusiast

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    OK I NEED POSITIVE ANSWER on this WILL CS:S RUN ON HIGH SETTINGS AND GET A AVERAGE FPS OF 100 OR MORE WITH THESE SPECS:
    Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T8300 2.4GHz
    4GB RAM
    160GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
    256MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600M GT
    High Resolution, glossy widescreen 15.4 inch LED LCD (1440x900) & 2.0 M
     
  2. GamerPro25

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    ideally you want a 512 MB graphics card if you want 100+ fps . . . . .
     
  3. KGann

    KGann NBR Themesong Writer

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    No, you don't. 512m means nothing with a 128bit card. (128bit can only utilize 256mb)

    Yes, it will run it on high settings with 70FPS+.
     
  4. 660hpv12

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    why do you need 100fps when your eyes can only see 60fps?
     
  5. TehDeuce

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    Well would it run smooth at least?
     
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    KGann NBR Themesong Writer

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    Yes, it would be smooth.
     
  7. TehDeuce

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    Oh okay thanks ^^
     
  8. TehDeuce

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    Oh **** forgot to put what comp i'm getting lol. IM GETTING THE XPS m1530 WILL THAT CHANGE ANYTHIN
     
  9. Ttime20

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    Yes you should have no problem running CS: Source on that laptop. I have the game for my old desktop and I can run it 1280 x 1024, Max settings, 4x AA, 16x AF very very smooth.

    And my desktop specs are (pretty good for a computer I bought 6 years ago):
    2.8 Ghz P4 w/HT
    1GB PC3200 RAM
    ASUS x850 XT Platinum Edition 256mb
    120GB 7200 RPM HDD
     
  10. TehDeuce

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    Yes now I can order :D oh sorry for double posting :/
     
  11. Nirvana

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    get a 5796 if you want 100fps+
     
  12. Zee_Ukrainian

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    Good point!
     
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    High details are one thing....AA and AF are another.
     
  14. Hep!

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    Because the higher FPS you have the better registration you get. Ideally, you want double the FPS of your ping or more, which is why all serious gamers make sure to get a minimum of 125FPS.
     
  15. Icaru506

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    I wouldn't be too hung up on frame rates, particulary above 60 fps ! - If it does, then CS:S mustn't be a very demanding game.

    Your title mentions ordering. If you're ordering a new Laptop for gaming, unless you're getting a real bargain that's too good to miss, I'd be looking for more than an 8600M GT today. I'd be looking for a min. of 8700, or more wisely holding out that bit longer for an 8800. They're becoming more affordable, and the difference is huge.
     
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    Then I'd love to see a "Serious Gamer" Playing Crysis :p

    So if my ping is 30mS, are you reccommending 60FPS, and if my ping is 80mS, 160FPS ??????

    I don't see how there can be a direct relationship between these two different units of measure. Perhaps an inverse relationship though, but nothing like fps > 2xPing. That can't make any sense to anyone, surely.
     
  17. Ttime20

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    Wouldn't be too hard, just turn the engine in your car into a video card and you should be fine ;)
     
  18. Hep!

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    That's an oxymoron because no serious gamers play Crysis online. This FPS registration thing only applies to online gaming. :)

    http://caleague.com/
    http://www.cevo.com/

    Note the lack of Crysis in the ladders :p
     
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    Agreed, 8600 is kind of a bottleneck GPU.

    Serious gamer with a serious cash flow to be able to afford a system that could run Crysis at that fps rate....lol.
     
  20. Icaru506

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    Let me think ......

    if FPS > (BHP/TYRE SIZE * (KERB WEIGHT/NO OF CUP HOLDERS))

    Then you know what ..........

    I might just call myself a serious Gamer :D
     
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    Human eye cant tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps. As long as you have a very stable fps above 30 you are fine.

    Most gamers shoot for 60+ fps because if you are hovering around 30 then it is very likely that your graphics card is being pushed to its limit. If your card is being pushed to its limit, your fps is probably very dynamic and will frequently dip under 30 fps.

    Depends on the game really. The frame rate in strategy games is less likely to suffer frequent dips, so if you have a stable 30fps you are usually fine.
     
  22. Hep!

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    Sorry, not ping, I meant your maxpackets. You want twice as many frames as maxpackets so you are transmitting the data of at least two frames per packet, which gives better registration, IE, less "WTF I SHOT THAT GUY RIGHT IN THE HEAD"

    I wish I could explain it all better but I do not remember too well. I can talk to some of the people I used to play hardcore COD2 with and get a better answer for you if you'd like.
     
  23. Icaru506

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    There's no need, I think that we're all aware of the benefits of a respectable ping, and the reasons why. It was just your FPS > 2 x Ping that was being questioned.
     
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    wrong................

     
  25. noxxle99

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    For gaming purposes if you have a steady frame rate at 30 versus 60, you won't notice the difference. Anyone who claims otherwise is full of it, or the observed frame rate of 30 was not stable.
     
  26. Icaru506

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    Looks like a laptop's out of the question for Joshua Walrath then. :rolleyes: - I feel sorry for him most of all when he's not outside in the garden. When he's in a building with electronic lighting (flourescent or otherwise) the room is only being lit up at a frequency of 60 HZ (assuming he lives in North America). How can he cope with life that doesn't have a "Sense of reality" ? - I wouldn't ever reccommend him take a trip over here to the UK, because @ 50 Hz, he'll be walking into things and falling down the stairs.
     
  27. Nirvana

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    I can? for BF2142, 35fps on my macbook pro vs. 95fps on sager 5793. the difference are enormous.
     
  28. noxxle99

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    More than likely its because your 35fps isnt very stable. The frame rate in a game like BF2142 is really dynamic.

    What graphics card does your macbook pro have?
     
  29. david714

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    This sounds wrong. Can you please explain?
     
  30. KGann

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    I can notice the difference. When I downclock my GPU, run CS:S at 30-32FPS, it's decent. Clock it back up, 60+FPS... can tell a massive difference.
     
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    I used to think I was wrong, but I have Googled, talked to people on the boards, etc. to make sure I was correct.

    A 128bit card will only utilize 256mb of RAM. If it has 512mb of VRAM, it may, may tap into it. Almost impossible, as in no situation will it need more than 256mb.

    Rule of thumb, from "Toms Hardware"-

    64bit-128mb
    128bit-256mb
    256bit-512mb
    512bit-1,024mb
     
  32. Nirvana

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    I don't know why'd you say bf2142 is really dynamic. no offense, but do you even have the game? and 2 rigs compare side by side? I can tell the difference by just walking around in game, same map, same place, no gun fight, no orbital strike. my macbook pro has X1600 256MB
    he is correct. 128-bit card can not utilize 512MB video memory.
     
  33. Ttime20

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    Ya that makes perfect sense ... and Tom's Hardware is a very trustworthy source.
     
  34. Zee_Ukrainian

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    :yes:
    I have travelled to Europe a couple of times and never really payed attention, but I did hear how noticeable that 50Hz is in Europe.

    Nirvanna, thanks for posting something with an actual exaplanation as opposed to "well it is like this just because". It's funny that they mentioned motion blur in that article becuase apparently Crysis uses motion blur which makes 15 fps bearable. I have played Crysis at 15fps, and use to have COD4 on 15 fps before I fixed it to 30 fps through a new driver. That 15 is a big difference between the two games, Crysis being for the better.

    :yes: