news on dx10 notebook graphics

It seems Nvidia will be shipping directx 10 GPU's in time for Santa Rosa.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20070213225900.html

 

Sweet! Right around the time I'll be buying a MBP.

Hopefully Apple will start offering a choice in the graphics card you can get by then...



"Launched in early November, 2007, the GeForce 8800 became popular among high-performance graphics enthusiasts overnight."

Interesting typo.

 

The link doesn't say much in the way of a Go 8800, although it is quite informative. A family is probably just all the products that the mainstream will go for, like the Go 8400 and Go 8600, the latter being the one that should perform very well. I don't think the Go 8800 wil be released sooner than Santa Rosa, because so much work has to be done on it, and the same is probably true for a mobile high end R600 based ATI card.

 

I think it's still pretty good considering ATI can't even finalize their R600 desktop GPU before Nvidia releases dx10 notebook GPU's.

 

Certainly good news, particularly for the consumer, as alot of people wanted DX10 cards to be available aroudn the time Santa Rosa was released. The thing with ATI is that they have created an entirely complex core, and problems with something were bound to happen. However, if they can get the card to market quickly, then they can still compete with nVidia on both fronts (mobile and desktop), in terms of speed and availability.

 

It's wierd in that article how they keep downplaying the benefits of the G80 family and talking about the energy efficiency of the G70 series. nVidia has mentioned that they don't anticipate pushing DX10 GPUs that hard before, and it makes me wonder whether it's just because it'll take time for Vista to be adopted and DX10 games to be released or is it because their DX10 cards are actually that much more power hungry than the previous generation or if they are that much harder to produce. nVidia seems to be going with a 80nm process for their mainstream DX10 parts which means that they are costly to produce and more power hungry, while ATI seems to be going with 65nm for their mainstream DX10 parts, but they keep getting pushed back since the process isn't mature. Neither situation looks to be particularly inviting.

 

G80 is very power hungry, though Im hearing horror stories about R600's power requirements. A single 8800(any flavor on the market right now) requires at least 36 amps on the 12v rail, 2x18 amps minimum. I've been sorely tempted to invest in the 320 MB 880 GTS as its under $300. Since I'm locked in a res of 1680x1050 and not looking to upgrade my CPU for at least another year, possibly two, anything higher would be come either cpu bound or be wasted at my lowish resolution. I'm going to wait for something more power efficent and hopefully a single slot soultion. DX 10 titles are still a ways away. The 8600's should be hitting the streets soon, my guess is thats what the intial performance mobile part will be based on.

 

What do they mean by late Q1 or early Q2? How many months make up a quarter, I wanna say like..January to March = Q1, and something like March - May or June is Q2?

 

Yes, end of march = end of Q1; april= early Q2

 

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/22/nvidia-confirms-geforce-8-series-for-laptops/

I was thinking of waiting for SR's release before buying a new laptop. Even more reason to wait it out!

 

Woo hoo! Looks like it is going to be a good times for laptops now!

 

Awesome! I might have to sell some organs and/or bodily fluids to afford it though...

 

Bona Fide, we already had a thread on the DirectX 10 cards for notebooks so your thread has been merged with that one.

This is certainly great news. Hopefully ATI will also have a DirectX 10 product not long after so we can get some competition.

 

Awesome, i haven't been waiting for nothing it seems. I just hope we'll see it in a 15,4 or smaller notebook too. I guess we can expect an go8600, or will there be something else?

 

I'm also stuck in the house of wait.
Traditional quarters are defined as
Winter (Q1) = January, February, March
Spring (Q2) = April, May, June
Summer (Q3) = July, August, September
Fall (Q4) = October, November, December

If they're saying Q2 it most likely means June. Then Dell gets the 1 month exclusive, then the rest.

IMHO, if you decide to stay in the house of wait, it will be 6 months until August that you get a non Dell.

And then we don't even know if it will have the high end 8800. From what I'm hearing, they'll start with the main stream version like the 8400 or 8600 which you would find in HPs.

Let's say the 8800 doesn't come out until Christmas. It means you've waited 10 months, and the only game that will really take advantage of the 8800 at that time will be Crysis at high detail. I'm sure Crysis will do just fine on on a 7950 GTX with 512mb of ram.

 

I think we can expect a Go 8600 and a Go 8400. There's been some spectulation about these two graphics cards. Nvidia is supposedly releasing the regular desktop 8600GT and 8600GTS next month.

 

Hmm how do these cards compare to the 8800?? I havent read anything about them I am sure they preform stellar but I am just curious.

 

No one knows yet since you can't compare the notebook geforce 8800 to the desktop version.

 

Well, if you reference is to the Go 8800, then it should perform better than both the desktop 8600 GT and 8600 GTS. We expect nVidia to bring the memory bus down to 256-bit, and also lower the specifications on the core. If I'm not wrong, the desktop 8600 GT will have 48 unified shaders, a core clockspeed of 500 MHz, and memory runnning at 1200 MHz. Now, if the Go 8800 comes out with having similar speciications, then it should perform around the same. However, in recent times, we have seen that the high end mobile graphics processors, perform about the same as entry to mid range, higher end desktop cards, so the case with the Go 8800 and desktop 8600 GT may not be the case.

If you were comparing a desktop 8800 GTS/GTX with a desktop 8600 GT, then the 8800 GTS/GTX will perform faster, just because it has alot more power, and higher clock speeds.

 

Here's a link to some desktop 8600 info, for those of you who are interested:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37697

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/02/nvidias-geforce-8600-series-brings-dx10-without-breaking-the-ba/

http://www.mobilewhack.com/nvidias-new-8600-geforce-series/

One thing I should clear up - I made a mistake. The higher-end 8600 isn't the 8600GTS, but rather, the 8600 Ultra.

 

Cool, I bought a card before it came out..........a card from the future......

LOL, hope they don't show up in the buy/sell/trade forum!

Yea, very true, competition is great, typically results in better products for the consumers, and lower prices!

 

According to a few places that ran this story back in mid-January, the G81M isn't due out until Q3 2007.

"Those who are waiting for GeForce Go 8800 series to appear on notebooks are in for disappointment since there are no plans for that. Apparently, 90nm G80 proves too much for a notebook to handle. Therefore only mainstream G84 and value G86 will be available for notebooks, targeted for release in early Q2. Consumers will have to wait till Q3 this year to enjoy high end GeForce 8 series graphics on their notebooks when the die shrink happens."

Source: VR-Zone

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4477

 

perfect. I had been afraid that it would be highend cards that would be out first, then midrange trailing months behind. This is excellent, I just might get my hands on some Asus with a T7300, and a geforce 8600 go card by July

 

I don't mind having a midrange DX10 card...hell, I wasn't expecting any DX10 mobile parts until 2008.