no new consoles till 2014... thank god for PC gaming.

No new PlayStation, Xbox until 2014? - CNN.com

 

thank god for PC gaming in any case.

 

Why is this a good thing? If new consoles were released now that supported Dx11 and had more capable gpu's in them then the console ports we receive would probably have better graphics. I don't think stagnation is something that helps anyone.

Edit: i just re-read the title with different inflection and it makes more sense now. At first I thought this was another one of those "PC is dead" threads and that this was its savior. Now I take it to mean in light of this news you are glad for PC gaming.

 

Better graphics? They haven`t made games that pushes PS3 to the max yet. And better hardware does NOT equal better games. If anything, the developers should primary think about gameplay, not graphics.

 

Wrong. These are just rumors but they still hold water. Apparently nintendo will be announcing a successor to the Wii at E3. It's apparently more powerful than a PS3 and has a controller with a screen on it lol.

SO yeah.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=427412

 

Better graphics do not equal better games but I still remember the first time I booted Far Cry and looked across the island. I had been away from pc gaming for a few years and my dad had just purchased a new desktop. I'm not sure I ever finished the game because it fell apart halfway through but looking back 7 years later I still remember the game fondly.

 

FYI let's keep this fact-based and not get into personal disputes. PC vs. console threads typically end up getting closed.

 

I think 2014 is being optimistic. Sony has said they have not been developing and there are no plan on developing PlayStation 4 yet. And with the demise of their cell processor, they have to find something else to succeed the current cell processor. As someone else said in this thread already, Sony firmly believes game developers have not pushed limits of the PS3 yet.

Developing an entirely new processor, and considering development hasn't even begun... 2.5 years I think is just ludicrous. Remember you have to have the new API and samples ready for game developers, so there are games at release, and that also would probably take 2 years for the game developer. Epic Games have not made any progress on the next gen UE for consoles. 2015/2016 I think is more likely.

 

No one knows where development truly is. The economy and the lack of ROI is the reason for the extended console life. However 2016 gives the xbox an 11 year lifecycle and the ps3 10 years. Sony says "10 year lifecycle" but that includes continuing support when new systems hit the shelves. I would be disappointed if I had to wait that long because new consoles will push PC gaming further as they are just in stagnation mode while all efforts (most efforts) are on consoles currently. It used to be PC technology would showcase new gaming which would really drive the enthusiast gaming PC market. Now we are relegated to pixel count the differences between console and PC ports.

I WANT new consoles soon because even the best looking games are looking dated to me. I love technology and it's nice to have a 300-500 dollar system that can provide a substantial jump in visuals, audio and content delivery over its predecessor.

 

Plus with the NGP providing graphics rivaling the ps3 being delivered at the end of 2011 will really make me be inclined to think that a new console should hit late 2013. With the Wii 2 being potentially brought to market 2012ish, then it would make NO sense for them to eat up the market share for 2 years. With the current trend for Nintendo to dominate sales, it would seem counter intuitive to wait that long.

 

Gbatemp got a forum post with a picture of the Wii's successor, the Nintendo Project Cafe.
Its the SDK console ment for devs, but it should be similar to the final product.

Wii 2 SDK Image Leaked? - GBAtemp.net

Also i guess they are releasing it soon because it will be what the Wii was to the Nintendo DS.

But PC gaming ftw.
(Also Nintendo cause i love their games, especially Paper Mario.)

 

I still don`t understand why Nintendo is all "Zomg our next console will be more powerful than Xbox and PS3" when they clearly only make cartoonish games that is more family friendly. They had the choice with Wii to make it just as powerful as Xbox 360 but chose to make a console that catered kids and families instead. Best choice they have ever made, because i don`t see 3 consoles fighting over the same customers...

 

I'd love to see your evidence on this. Because Crytek says otherwise, and they tend to know what they're doing. The PS3 is pretty well maxed out at this point in the game, developers are very familiar with everything in it and are wringing out every bit of performance they can.

They don't. But the Wii is popular with families because of it's price point as well as the games. The Wii wouldn't have sold at all if it cost what the PS3/360 did at launch. Or even now. But as a person with kids and a huge TV, I would LOVE for a faster, backwards-compatible Wii2 to come out. I'd love to be able to play Mario in HD while the kids are awake, and House of the Dead after bedtime

 

Too bad most developers are just putting out shoddy console ports nowadays. This just means we have to deal with shoddy console ports even longer since the consoles can't handle better GFX so developers will hold back when it comes to developing better graphic to accommodate the old, slow consoles.

In the end, the PC gamer gets the short end of the stick.

My opinion, don't like it? Don't reply unless you're going to keep it civil. We don't need this thread locked.

 

Haha that was a good one. If anything, they should be the last one to listen to. Crysis 2 was a major hit in the face for PS3 because it was ported from Xbox version to the PS3, and hence why it is much more stunning on a Xbox visually. And since PS3 is slightly superior they haven`t touched it`s limit yet, maybe scratched the surface. Still dont believe me?
Google up Uncharted 2 and you will find the same statement there from Naughty Dog. They said they pushed the PS3 to the limit, but few years after Uncharted 3 was shown and is superior in graphics.
Google up ps3 limits and you will find tons of companies that state they have pushed it to its limit. Everything from 2008 and up to now. But still there are better games coming out each time. And i expect it to continue like it did with PS2. PS2 developers polished and perfected the games long after it`s release. I am pretty shure the same will happen to PS3

Yeah i agree about the price but you have to admit that kids and families are Nintendo`s primary target?! Shure they do have resident evil and such, but the majority is Donkey kong, Super mario etc etc, Smash brawls and so on. Mario HD would have been cool though. Still don`t understand why the need for a console better than PS3 for non graphic intensive games. Do you think that Mario HD would require that?
I sincerely don`t think there are room enough for 3 consoles catering the same audience. Your price point says the same. A console that is better than PS3/Xbox would mean more expensive than Wii which means that people would have to choose between that or any of the other, aka competing

 

Even if Sony isn't working on something new what's to stop Microsoft and Nintendo? If 2014 is for real, then nine years will be a really long run and be long in the tooth for the hardware. It's already aging.

But on the same token, I may be able to get a solid three years out of my laptop then for gaming!

 

Wii 2 sounds like a 360 clone to me, and probably won't be better than the PS3. Nintendo went the cheap route. They didn't pay for new technology...

PowerPC? It's probably an upgraded PowerPC G5 that was used in the ancient Apple computers before they switched to Intel. The R700? Well since it's a successor to the Wii, probably will be small form factor. Probably still 512mb limit with maybe 300 cores or less. I think it will be between an ATi Mobility HD4500 and HD4600 series.

 

Blaming the consoles for the downfall of gaming or PC gaming is pretty dumb. Most of the industry simply develops whatever sells. And simplicity sells. Expect Call of Duty 28 with much better graphics and even less creativity.

 

what htwingnut said.
with the consoles in stagnation mode, pc hardware will last longer. woot.
but also, if the developers and consumers can get their act together, and with the maturity of dx11 and capable hardware, this could provide a showcase for what pc gaming is capable of.

 

The devs for The Last Guardian for the PS3 ( which looks like a great game -- like Shadow of the colossus) have stated numerous times that they have pushed the PS3 to its limits. The devs are tinkering and manipulating the engine to keep their creators vision in-tact with the limitations of the PS3.

Pic of The Last Guardian:






It is pretty well known what the PS3 is capable of, but Killzone3 is good example of pushing 5 year old tech to its limits.

 

Yeah, I don't care, 5 years is OLD tech period, even for tech pushing the ultimate limit. 9 years, might as well be using an N64 for crying out loud.

 

The PS3 is not up to its limits? Then why some games can only be run in 720p?

 

Another company pushing the console to it`s limit?
I that they are going out in public and saying so because people would think "wow that game must be totally awesome. It is putting the PS3 to its knees. I must get one". And the company sell more copies.

@HTWingNut: I use emulators and play old games all the time. Super Mario 64 is one of them i recently played. I even played Monkey island 1 and 2 few weeks ago. And that graphic? Nostalgic but darn ugly. But the story and the gameplay rocks. I pick that over graphics any day of the week

 

There are many old PS3 games with not so much top graphics that "only" supports up to 720p. Some of the 1080p are upscaled from 720p too

 

Yeah this is the reason why we are playing, and will be playing console ports for the next several years. How old is the Unreal engine?

Of course. I thought it was pretty obvious by my post that I was pointing out the system had been pushed to its limits and devs are finding ways to manipulate their proprietary engines so they can create the game that was intended. One of these ways is to make games, most games for the PS3, sub-720p.

 

The last guardian you say? Oh yeah i have seen footage from it. Looks awesome. If any game hits the limit of the PS3 that is a good candidate.

 

I am stoked for the arrival of the NGP. Everything else doesn't faze me. I own all three consoles and while the graphics look good already I can't wait for a pocket version of that.

 

What surprises me is that Microsoft hasn't been able to / didn't slim down the X360 a lot more than they had.

 

I like the look of the 360 and 360 Slim as well as the original design of the PlayStation 3.

 

Ya, who really cares about "reaching the limit" that is so arbitrary. Of course you can add a few extra polygons. The tech is damn old and I am ready for a new gen. Usually that comes from the PC (Far Cry, FEAR, HL2) from last gen but this gen is going to be dependent on the next consoles. Sure PC ports look better; but not by much. Nothing I care enough about. This coming generation will be defined when the next big console hits.

 

2014 is a ridiculous ETA, when looking at what these consoles can currently do. I seriously know some console only gamers, who read this news, and immediately decided that they'll be building Gaming PCs.

The first-party PS3 dev houses are still able to push the ceiling, due to its raw horsepower, but the 360 was seemingly maxed out a couple years ago.

Unless developers start using the PC or PS3 as the lead platform, we won't be seeing much visual advancement in our multiplayer gaming.

 

BTW, the The Last Guardian footage is nothing to brag about nowadays. The 2007 Crysis engine could easily render that, perhaps even better.

 

I have ps3/360 and PC. I think Sony had always misled their gamers by talking this "raw horsepower" "The next gen starts when we say so" "4D gaming at 1080p@120FPS" (Actual statements). The reality is that they made a game system that was a guise to sell their proprietary technology (Cell/blu-ray). Cell was not great for gaming, blu-ray fortunately did do well. Sony UMD was a fail, cell was a fail and Beta max was a fail. Sony did not represent the gamers by building an easy to program for gaming system. They basically pay ridiculous money to certain developers to get great graphics (Uncharted 2/Killzone franchises). However if it was that much more powerful it WOULD show in multiplats. But it doesn't. Xbox really did show better graphics than ps2 and I believe that CPU was "theoretically" more powerful than the xbox CPU (same as cell Vs xenos). However the real component is the GPU and the 360 is just a better GPU.

Bottom line is that the tech is old and enthusiast gamers should WANT new consoles. I mean look at us on this forum; we want NEW GPU's. A lot of people want to pay 4k on a new m18x Alienware with dual 6970s. However we are saying we don't want a new console? A new console usually looks just as good as the BEST of desktop enthusiast gaming hardware on release and then gets better shortly after with the PC finally playing catch up.

To me, anyone who doesn't want a new console but wants a new Alienware is basically saying to themselves: "I don't want new consoles because I will not get my return on investment on my 4k laptop purchase. Any real techhead WANTS the newest and best and consoles are a great value when they are released for offering CUTTING EDGE technology at a fraction of the price.

 

Yes, there are

All high-rated games such as Uncharted 2 ( and soon 3, by the looks of the AMAZING MP trailer ), Killzone 2 and 3, FFXIII...


When people know how to program, good stuff comes out


Unlike treyarc, ugh...

 

LOL all of these games popped up like i mentioned earlier in this thread. Google "ps3 limits" and you get all of them on the first page. Nice googling... There are many companies that state their game is the limit.

Whatever. I give up. Think what you will. I don`t care. I don`t own a console.

 

That's why I say : PS3 + PC = win

You get amazing console exclusives on the PS3 and multi-plats on the PC

 

I own a PS3 and Xbox 360 and I have to say I pretty much never use the PS3. I'm ready to sell it and just buy a regular Blu-Ray player + WDTV since that's about all it got used for. It won't stream half the videos I have and won't work with amazon unbox.

 

Did you every try Killzone 2/3, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, LBP1/2...?

All award winning games, I don't know how you missed them

 

I own two PS3's and have never watched a Blu-Ray movie.

 

I don't have a lot of time for games any more, and when I do it's on the PC. I have Killzone 3 but, meh, didn't do much for me. Same thing with God of War 1/2/3... I get a lot more out of the Xbox 360 Arcade games and Kinect.

 

Yeah Xbox Arcade games are pretty good. I just bought The Dishwasher Vampire Saga and Ilomilo. Ilomilo ia a pretty cool puzzler and it's still on sale.

 

The PS3 actually lags during some portions of Marvel vs Capcom 3. Was playing it at a buddys house yesterday. Pretty bad because this is one of those games that needs to have 60 fps ALL the time.

 

3 words : bad xbox port.

Usually, like in Bayonetta, there is only lag in PS3 if it's poorly coded/ported to it ( from my experience ).

 

But the Brutal Melee System is so awesome...

You should DL the Uncharted 2 demo, the game is AMAZING!

 

I don't think this zombie-horse could ever be beaten quite enough but: Better Graphics Do Not Equal Better Gameplay.

I mean, does the shiny distract so many people from the fact that innovation now comes in dribbles from major titles and is often supplied by indie games that could be run on low-end tablets?

But hey, yeah let's put out another console with more horsepower, clearly the turds need more polish.

I would be perfectly fine with sony and M$ not making another console 'til 2016 even. They probably need the time to recoup their losses on the manufacturing end anyway.


Really NBR...inserting hypertext into my post?...gah...

 

I'm not sure if its really like that though. Sure new consoles are higher-end, but their hardware is quite a bit behind top of the line desktops when they are released. For example, the PS3 uses a tweaked Nvidia G70/71 GPU. That GPU was released on the desktop in June 2005. The PS3, using that chip (albeit with the memory bandwidth cut in half and losing half the render output units), came out 18 months later, in November 2006. Just before the PS3 was released though, Nvidia rolled out the G80 GPU, the first programmable shader GPU they released, that blew the G70/71 out of the water. Also none of that is even considering graphics cards in SLI. So really, at its release, the PS3 had at most 1/3 of the graphics power of the best desktop you could buy, and that was 4 and a half years ago...

 

Even the 7800GTX which was the top of the line G70 is now on the level of a his about the same as a 325M...this level might be reached by the Ivy Bridge IGP next year...so the PS3 will be very obsolete by 2014!!!

 

And I'm sure IBM is loving consoles. They now have 3 consoles that use their technology, of which they didn't have to put in any development for. The 360 and Wii2 are essentially just PowerPC G5 chips. AMD and Nvidia probably in heaven, just die shrink old technology. They no doubt have sold these old technologies more than they have sold any desktop GPU. With wii2, AMD likely jumping up and down with glee, just throw in a R700 in there, and voila, another 20 million AMD GPUs sold... I think consoles are brilliant. $300 for a BluRay player, PSN Network, and plenty of exclusive games and PS3 players don't have to deal with the cheating PC Gamers have to. And of course PC Gamers are on the short stick in the idiotic business methods between AMD and Nvidia. Either the game is unoptimized for both or it's optimized for only one as the game is only given access to one. DA2 with AMD for example, Nvidia drivers were terrible at Day 1. Metro 2033 is Nvidia game. And really it's the PC Gamers that suffer from this since AMD/Nvidia still make their millions. Consoles do not suffer any of this and they get their exclusive games. And really, it's the games that matter. If I had 200 PC games that were of excellent quality and great gameplay with graphics of PS3, I'd take that over another FPS shooter like BF3.

 

The Cell CPU that is inside PS3, is there any laptop CPUs that can compete?

 

Also, the CELL CPU is capable of graphics processing, making one of the best CPU's of the world, but also making it one of the hardest to program games on.

@Cloudfire Not by a thousand miles. The CELL has 8 "cores" clocked at 3.2GHz, 6 cores go to gaming, 1 to OS and 1 for floating point, and as I said, it helps a lot in graphics processing. So, as you see, no CPU, either desktop or laptop can compete (only if OC'd extremely beyond its limitations).


Just a curiosity, Uncharted 2 was claimed the game with one of the best graphics ever made. Guess what : it used 100% of the CELL CPU, but only 30% of the RSX GPU.