**official** 7950gtx Vs 8700gt

So now how long till the 9700GT comes out,, or the 8700ULTRA ?
any ideas is it this year or next ?

 

Are you talking desktop or mobile? For mobile I'm guessing this holiday season (probably after thanksgiving) for an 8700MUltra/8800MGS or something of that nature. Don't know about the desktop 9 series, but I've heard winter for the G92.

 

yes for Laptops
so this Dec sounds goods
thxs man

 

but thats not for sure. its speculation (not to minimize your opinion or anything odin)

 

My money is on nVidia doing something for the Christmas season...

 

Im waiting till JAN 2008 & then get a Laptop no desktop for me

 

I've heard that G92 is a lower version of G80, and will be released as 8800GT.

 

err... I heard that the G92 breaks the TeraFLOP barrier, 3× the 8800Ultra

 

I read it here http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=37&Itemid=34. Not sure how reliable the site is though.

 

Yeah, my take from that review is that the first use of the new 9 series architecture will be in a mid high end card (hence the G9 2), though it's unclear if they're saying it used to be referred to as the 8800GT and will now be called the G92, or if it's the other way around. Either way though, it's a 65nm die with half the power consumption of R600, which bodes very well for a notebook chip being based on it.

 

Here's what they said:

 

Yeah I read that somwhere also.The newer series are all about efficiency over power.

 

Somebody have an idea if the new video card that is suppose to be higher than the 8700M series will be 256Bits or 128 like the former? And it will be high end like the 7950GTX or not. Me I'm still thinking the the 7950GTX will be good for maybe a year...

 

256bits most likely
yes, it should be high end
the 7950 will be outdated (wont be the best) once the 8800s come out. For games it should play for like 3 years

 

Yes theres no way it can be a true high end without a 256 bit bus.

 

if 9750 will be Out by a year
How long will 8800 last in laptops before we will NEED to upgrade ?
& 8800 will be out by dec or 1Q 2008
Cos when ever they say 1@ it means 2Q lol

 

9750M wont be out in a year, that... oh never mind.

No one frickin knows when the 8800 is coming out, its all speculation so please STOP asking, make your own thread if you're so concerned

 

Thanks...

 

I want to know if someone knows if the 7950GTX performs better with XP than Vista or is the same performance?

 

Performance is slightly better in XP, depending on driver version and the game in question.

 

Well, as should have been pointet out by now, the old high-end cards, like the 7950 GTX is faster than the 8700 GT (what a big surprice), but thats really not my concern, as I already guessed that. What I want to hear about, is a little more "justified" comparrison, between the 8700 gt and the 7900 GS, which of thoes would be the better buy for the time being?? I know that the 7900 gs is in the high-end class and 8700 is top of the mid-end cards, but here talking about real-life performance, which will be better ?? From what ive seen, the scores about the same in 3d mark (for versions before 06) but is that also related to gamingperformance ??

I would suspect em to be about the same in games, as the 7900gs were just slightly better than the 8600gt in normal lappy res, for res until 1400*900, but atm im thinking of getting a Toshiba x205 with a res of 1680*1050 or an Acer 9520 with a 7900 gs and a res of 1440*900. Comparing these to laps, which would be the best gamer (comparing both in 1440*900, as 1680*1050 might be to much for a 8700gt to handle in upcomming games, also look past uneven specs as different cpu's, hd's ect) ??

 

The 8700M-GT is almost certainly a better choice than the Go7900GS, if they're being compared at 1440x900. At 1680x1050 the Go7900GS would have the lead in most current games, though that could change with upcoming shader intense engines which are optimized for DX10 cards.

 

Like i thought then

But well, if just it does better than the one i got now, see specs in sig (might get rid of it, if it aint fixed this time, and get my money back).

 

I think everyone's misunderstood about the two cards really..

All I know is that Ijust beat portal, in 1920x1200 max settings possible w/no AA and it ran mostly great throughout. I also play CS:S at the same settings but with an added 2xAA and it STILL runs great, most regular maps /w no hdr run in the 100-220fps, or 50+fps w/HDR. Same goes for every HL2, including ep 2 which I beat this morning..

I'm currently playing DiRT in 1920x1200 and it's not perfectly smooth, but it's very playable at about 40+fps after taking down a few of the settings.

Call of juarez (DX9 PS3) runs at 1920x1200, max settings with no AA, gets about 35+fps throughout with about 60+fps indoors such as the mines..

Really, the only game i've had to actually run in a lower res to not compromise gfx, is BIOSHOCK, which I beat in 1280x800 otherwise I had to remove *some* of the specular on textures that made the textures stand out.

I could post FRAPSd screenshots /w the fps meter if needed..

 

Yeah do that considering Dirt runs at 40+ maxed all settings on my 8800GTX at 1440x900 with 4 x multisampling

Call of Juarez maxed performs around 30+ on my 8800GTX in very heavily wooded areas at 1440x900 in other areas 60+. Wow your mobile card must be fast as hell?????

So I assume you run Oblivion at 90+ fps then???

Do you run Dirt all low since 1920x1200 is a very demanding resolution and I higly doubt you run Dirt nice looking at the resolution at 40+

Do show me the fraps, since your mobile card seems to kill my 8800GTX with a Core2Duo at 2.93GHZ

Post screenshots with all settings, that would be interesting to see along with Fraps FPS.

Now with 40+ fps Dirt should be smooth but you state it isn´t perfectly smooth. Well that must be when you race against other cars since that lowers FPS dramatically.

 

Yes, an I have an SLI 8800GTS setup with a 3.4GHz OCed core2duo that would easily crush your system too.. believe me, im not lying, and after I DL fraps again I will show ya! oh and your right about one thing on DiRT, that's not with oponent AI's.. Those slaughter the fps so bad I hardly ever play races with them.. but yes, I do get 40+fps in single no oponent races, and that's at basically mixed max and med settings and low shadows, which still looks almost identical to max, just with jaggy shadows...

aye! COD4 just finished DLing, I'll post some FPS metered screenies of that too..

 

unknown, what mobile card do you have?

 

woops! sorry for the misunderstanding, but I was running in 1440x900 w/2xAA max everything but med shadows in DiRT, oh and it DOES get about 35fps in these settings with a full set of cars racing (i think 8) and over 40fps w/o the other racers.

Call of juarez averages 45fps indoors, and 18-35fps outdoors in 1920x1200, or in the settings I used, max everything 1440x900 50+fps indoors, 26-50fps outdoors

COD4 demo ran an average of 30FPS in 1920x1200 max settings w/ no AA
I got about 20-25fps running around the tank with tons of people around all shooting, lots of action going on. When everyone died, it hit 35-40fps
In 1440x900 max everything, no AA, It ran almost constant between 45-80fps

Btw, my notebook is configured as follows.

Sager 5790
4GB Patriot ram
Vista 64bit Ultimate
HD-DVD
8700GT
WUXGA glossy LCD
Intel T7500
250GB 5400RPM
Wireless N, tv tuner etc etc...

 

Allright thought we talked about a mobile graphics card here, that explains your FPS. Still the fps is low considering dual 8800GTS, since I get 40+ with AI opponents on my single 8800GTX card

Crush my system, don´t think so. Remember I still have more shading power than your 8800GTS And SLI doesn´t double the performance. So crushing my 8800GTX is a little excessive. Considering I have more shaders and more video ram. Still the king except the 8800 ULTRA. Oh by the way forgot to mention my 8800GTX is overclocked.

 

I think unknown is saying he got those results on his notebook, whose specs he posted in his last thread.

 

Well to me it seems like he speaks about his desktop system, since there is no 8800GTS for the notebook market. If he means dual 8700GT I assume he´s dreaming, since the mobile 8700 in single nor SLI is nowhere near the 8800GTX in performance.

 

What do the desktop 8800's have to do with anything? They're nowhere near in the same league; you could have a quad-8700GT setup and it would still fall behind one 8800GTX.

 

Yeah I agree, I was just curious since he mentioned dual 8800 GTS. Would be nicer if it were dual 8700GT that play those games at 1920x1200 though I highly doubt it.

 

Uhh.. I was talking about my laptop..

My 8800GTS SLI setup gets a solid 70+fps in 1920x1080 on my 50" LCD with all maxed out settings.. and yes it's ALOT more powerful than your setup.. it aso gets about 17400 in 3Dmark 06
But this is a notebook forum, I don't talk about my desktop here... much..

Oh and if you STILL cant tell which PC im talking about, here is a pic of it..

 

So you have a notebook who has dual 8800GTS desktop cards?. You must mean dual 8700GT which is not powerful. So what kind of laptop do you have that has dual desktop 8800GTS built in? That laptop must create a tremendous amount of heat who has dual desktop cards built in, not to speak about the size of it

If you talk about dual 8700GT then forget you have a more powerful laptop than a desktop 8800GTX.

What do you get a solid 70+ fps in, if you mean Dirt here it only states 30fps. No way you get 70+ fps in dirt Maybe in 720p you´ll get 70+ fps.

Do you mean that dual 8700M GT? since there is no 8800GTS desktop cards put in a laptop and definitely not two dual desktop 8800GTS cards in SLI in a laptop.

If you mean dual 8700GT with a 128 bit bus you must be kidding if you think that is more powerful than a single 8800GTX with a 384bit bus and much more shading power. Now what brand is your laptop? Hard to tell from that dark pic.

That Dirt screenshot you put up doesn´t say anything of what settings you run at. But this is hilarious if you mean that dual 8700GT the "best" mobile cards out there now beats a 8800GTX in gaming

Now why not put up some DX10 framerates, throw in Lost Planet or World in Conflict, come on this is hilarious.

 

Holy ##$# ... sorry to say this but your a moron!!

actually READ what I wrote BEFORE saying more dumb stuff..

I have a DESKTOP with SLI 8800GTS's,
I also have a LAPTOP with a SINGLE 8700GT.

I CLEARLY stated that my SLI setup in my DESKTOP was far more powerful than the other desktop setup. NOT my notebook..



I SAID this waaaaay too many times already.. PAY ATTENTION or dont reply..

 

oh and... again to prove my point that your not paying any attention..

my full laptop spec and model with every component is on page 13... yes, the LAST page... It's even in bright green for ya..

 

Yeah moron that was what I was talking about, your desktop system even if this is a notebook forum. For me it sounded like your laptop pulled Dirt in 1920x1200. Still your desktop rig doesn´t kill mine.


Check up facts first, just check specs. SLI doesn´t double performance anyway

Now your 8700GT on the other hand doesn´t even kill my 7800GTX in my laptop at higher resolutions

 

You seriously need to get over yourself! my desktop setup DOES crush your desktop, hell, an overclocked 8800GTS can match a GTX, my desktop DOES get 70-100fps in 1920x1080 max settings w/2xAA in DiRT.

My laptop gets 30-40fps in 1440x900 max settings w/med shadows, even with a full screen of other racers, it doesnt make more than a 10fps difference..

You show absolutely nothing but talk.. not even how many fps your getting.. how old are you anyway, from the looks of it, you sound like a pissed off 12-14 year old.

Oh and btw, in single non SLI mode, my desktop gets 55-80fps in DiRT at 1440x900, if your 8800GTX only gets 40, then your pc is a P.O.S.

Furthermore you neither have a mobile 7950GTX or an 8700GT so why are you here telling me i'm wrong when you've never used one before, you just go by what people who also dont have one say..

 

how about you both stop taking about you desktops, this thread has nothing to with them, pm each other if you would like to keep fighting.

 

never used one, what the hell do you know about that. I own a 7800GTX mobile, but that doesn´t mean I haven´t used a 7950. I know where the performance lies between these two and I can say that the 128bit bus on the 8700GT does indeed affect the cards performance at higher resolutions and with AA and AF, hell are you totally stupid or what?

Allright sorry for talking desktops but it´s just funny guys like this guy states that he thinks he kills my desktop when he doesn´t even know what kind of components I have in my PC except the CPU and GPU Yeah go ahead and brag about killing it but dream on. According to your 3D Mark scores your computer must be a P.O.S because with a single 8800GTX I score 12000+ so you kill my card so badly Funny as hell I must say

Though narsnail is right this is a laptop forum, but it´s just funny that even his new 8700GT doesn´t "kill" my 7800GTX in higher resolutions.

Now in games that doesn´t support SLI your desktop still kills mine I assume? Even if you have it overclocked to 8800GTX speeds I can still overclock my sucker without reach of yours, so you might have better performance in SLI but in non SLI you´re behind my 8800GTX.

 

it shouldnt, the 7800gtx is a better card, and their not in the same class, a honda civic is going to get killed by a camaro in a race, as an example

 

lol

I know im trying to say that.. this guy brought up desktops in the first place

btw, you can force SLI in anything... and I'm not going any further into that, or desktops..



now, I never said ANYTHING about comparing my card to ANY other in my notebook.. infact... can you tell me where I even brought up the 7950 or the 7800? nope, just telling you my scores, then you called me a liar, I said I'd post screenies, and you called me a liar again.. what does it take huh? I'm not trying to compare or proove anything, just showing what I got...

And now .. without ANY comparisons, your telling me your card is better JUST because of the 256 vs 128 bits, but I'm not comparing them.. And I'll have you know, that number does NOT define a video card.


All I know and care about is that my 8700GT faaaaaar exceded what I expected when I purchased the notebook, infact that's why I didn't get the 7950GTX like I said before, because I'm saving that extra money for the MXM upgrade when the 9700 or real 8800GTX gets here..

But I think pricewise, for the Sager 5790 it's not worth the extra wait AND extra $100 for the 7950 when the 8800GTX is right around the corner.

 

Never said you were a liar, anyway no need to continue fight over this. I just brought up the 7800GTX since I own one myself. Also you did of course the right choice to choose a DX10 card instead of the 7950. Though it´s just too bad that the 8700GT is crippled at high resolutions by it´s bus.

It was just because you sounded like you are so superior, kill my 8800GTX when you doesn´t kill it. That 3D Mark score of yours compared to mine which is at 12000 not overclocked doesn´t kill my desktop so badly as you want it to sound like. If I put an overclock to my 8800GTX no need to so far I´ll reach higher scores, but who the hell cars about 3D Mark scores when it is more important how the card handles games.

Also I clearly misunderstood you in the first place since you were talking about running dirt at 1920x1200 and at that fps, that was why I responded since you were basically talking about your desktop and not your notebook, just wanted to get that straight.

So from my side all is clearly a misunderstanding in the first place.

 

Somebody know how is the performance of 2 8700m SLI, some benchmarks and overall efficiency?

 

I see some Civics Si kill Camaros, everything is possible in this world...

 

Tom's Hardware did an XPS M1730 benchmark that has an 8700m SLI setup.... check it out.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/10/15/sibling_rivalry/

 

one word. life.

 

alright, on topic... let me think of an on topic question.....

if you OC an 8700 GT, could you get it so itd be just like a 7950 GTX? without overheating or anything like that?

 

only if the clocks were double the 7950gtx. if you could OC 8700gt to double the speeds of a 7950gtx, those speeds would make up for the limited bandwidth.