**official** 7950gtx Vs 8700gt

Listen LINK, I didnt start the name calling here.

....Go away

 

This thread is just ridicoulous.

 

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There's one aspect of STALKER you are right about, actually. Certain indoor areas such as the bar (for some very odd reason) absolutely kill my FPS -- I mean down to probably ~10. All other areas, though, are perfectly playable and at times perform better than Biohock does, even with the latest Float32 (which improve certain graphical components such as shadows and textures, and also improves STALKER's AI). I'll post a few screens if you absolutely insist.

Crysis is all high, but remember, like I said it's at 1440x900. Not 1920x1200. I was JUST able to make the final leap with shaders moving from medium to high with the 169.04 driver. Beforehand it was just a tad too slow for me to play it on shaders above medium.

MoH:AA I played through at max with V-Sync and AA off at 1920x1200 even without any OCing. I haven't actually touched the game yet after OCing my card. Again, if you absolutely insist, I will take some screens for you.

 

Nah thats fine I believe you, I just kind of noticed the card was running at 1000 memory which is a huge overclock especially on a memory bandwidth limited card.

 

Your definition of "playable" differs greatly from mine, it seems...

I can't stand playing anything lower than 30 fps. I've settled for DX9, 1280x800 in Bioshock because anything else will give me framerate dips into the 20's at certain parts... I just feel crippled when that happens.

 

Anything averaging 24 FPS (i.e. a film) is perfectly fine to me. I don't mind if 1-2FPS is lost on occasion.

 

in this thread.

I leave for a few hours, and it grows 10 pages.

also we have a fraps benchmark thread over at notebookforums.

I have ton of proof that my card can meet and exceed the 8700sli fraps benches to prove it.

I have argued this all over this forum. I have even linked to the thread.

here i will post my fraps benchmark at 1900x1200 oc'd to 625/730.


2007-10-20 14:05:48 - Bioshock
Frames: 1878 - Time: 47321ms - Avg: 39.686 - Min: 27 - Max: 61
1900x1200 max everything in bioshock.

 

^ Difference is those games (except crysis and orange box games) are not using motion blur which films and tv have thus you percieve smooth and stable framerates. With 24 fps on a game if it has a low minimum then the unstable fps is apparent.

 

and Hi def is 60fps.

this is a hidef gen. with games 1900x1200 being ....drumroll.. hi def..

so if it 60fps + it will be grrrrreeeat!

 

^ Hi def at 720p maybe 60 but at 1080p highest fps right now is 30.

 

right, i forgot.

ustu expressvuHD, its 720p. rips are always 60fps...

 

Show me Crysis then all options high, because my 8800GTX struggles with that game and even 8800GTX in SLI struggles in that game. I assume you run Crysis in DX10 high too? This is just ridiculous your Bioshock experience isn´t smooth and that´s what I call playable, not 15-25 fps that isn´t smooth, unless you have motionblur then it can look smoother but it isn´t in reality.

But if you find it playable don´t try to prove to people that the game in the first place ran very good on your setup when it apparently doesn´t run any good at all at that resolution.

Now Crysis, I run that on my max res 1440x900 and the FPS isn´t all that great. But I assume you get the same fps as I do with your all mighty overclocked 8700GT. This thread is just so damn fun and ridiciculous at the same time

This is like the other guy posting Dirt running at 1920x1200 with no AF and the game runs in the 22-24 fps range that´s unplayable in a car racing game and it is unplayable in a FPS that needs smooth framerate. With lots o enemies on screen on Bioshock your frame rate will drop considerly, yes account to 15 fps in heavy areas.

I´m glad if you find 20-25 fps range playable good for you, but I for one thing would lower my resolution to get at least 30 fps. But I know 1920x1200 looks awesome I know myself since I play some games at that rez on my notebook, but I have reduce quality for performance sometimes.

Oh and about STALKER, that game even brings my 8800GTX to it+s knees sometimes in some indoor areas, so there´s nothing wrong there that your 8700GT falls to it´s knees too in some of those areas.

Now I would like to see some 7950GTX benchmarks at the same resolution and games. I don´t doubt the 7950GTX still king of the hills has better framerates since it has higher bandwidth than the 8700GT.

 

wow.. there's no pleasing this guy is there...? Ok, couple things.. this thread has gotten out of hand.. there's no point anymore, even if they guy let you play the games on his notebook, you would still not believe him would you? Clearly the 8800GTX is either not as powerful as even a single 8800GTS, or yours is somehow screwed, you should be getting nearly TWICE the FPS your getting with your 8800GTX. I suggest you check your own hardware before critisizing others. Firstly, check 3Dmark 06, anything under 11K 3D marks means you have a problem..

 

Oh so other people with a 8800GTX plays Crysis at 50fps in DX10? Nothing wrong with my 8800GTX and Core 2 Duo 3 GHz.

Crysis SP Demo I get around 30+ fps with high DX10 settings, with high I mean shaders High and Post Processing high and shadows high, other options very high. I would like to to see your 8800GTS play Crysis at same settings DX10 and see what kind of FPS you get.

Then I mean real DX10 not any hacks in XP to make it look like DX10 when it in fact still looks better in motion in DX10. You don´t get 30+ do you in heavy firefights in Vista? In XP I have better performance, still I can´t run in DX10 in Vista and yes I have tried the XP tweaks but still thinks DX10 looks better.

Also from what it seems the Crysis SP Demo didn´t support SLI either.

I had 12000+ 3D Mark 06 non overclocked so that´s not a problem. Now I have even more since I overclocked my 8800GTX to 630/1450/2000

Now this guy can still put up more screens of the games he said he ran really good on his 8700GT because I am nitpicky and I´m planning to sell my XPS M170 to buy a new laptop with at least a 8700GT, that´s why I want some pictures with fraps preferably.

No offence to Unknown here, it´s just fun to debate.

 

Well I will have to eat crow here, your pics for Bioshock are about right for your system.

I ran Bioshock at full settings and was averaging about 45-55fps everything on high, v-sync off @ 1920x1200.

I apoligize for getting on your case about this.

I still have my doubts about Stalker or Crysis, but leave that for another day.

 

Crysis on high is NOT DX10. Only VERY HIGH is DX10.

 

Actually, that's not true, in Vista Crysis will use DX10 on high settings as well, it's simply that very high requires DX10 (without hacks).

 

Wow, It took me a lot to read through this thread!!!
I've learnt so much and I thank you all for that!!!!
I'm getting an XPS 1730, so the "fight" between 8700M and 7950GTX is something I care about.
But I do not know a lot, let me ask two question:

1) my lap is 8700GT SLI, does that means that the "128 bus bottleneck" is going to be affected in terms of better performances? I mean, if the answer is "no" which is the "good" of having 2 gpu's????

2)And then, what about the Ageya Physic thing? Is that expoited by any of the game you're mentioning on this forum?

I've been thinking a lot before buying my dell, I was about to take a 2.2 ghz 7950gtx 512mb but then I saw this dell "monster" coming out.. which is also better for the future (I think) given it's DX10 capable.Did I make the right chioice ??????(please say "yes" 'cos I already paid for it-)))

ciao!

 

1) the bottleneck should be partially removed (if SLI is supported), since you'll have 2 x 128bit

2) no idea ... but I don't think there are many games out there that support a physics card yet

3) YES, but honestly it could be no ... never considered the Clevo D901C (aka Sager NP 9261)? I think it would have offered you more value for money (+ the added benefit of not being tied to Dell for upgrades)

 

Thanks a lot Kwakkel..
Clevo???? I did not even know about them, I was about to buy a 'santech' given that the manufacturer I think it's the best is DPC, but they are toooooo much expensive!! Tied to dell??? oh my god..-))))

 

Well, there's a whole sub forum for Sager & Clevo
You might want to check it out, read up and decide to return your Dell

Anyway, I don't think the Dell will be a disappointment or anything ... just a bit overpriced compared to its greatest competitor

 

EDIT! ADDED THE 8800M GTX to the review, not much but i thought it needed to be done.

 

bump ..........

 

nice work (again) narsnail