pc graphics to console equivalence

idk if this is in the right section, an i apologize for any misunderstandings feel free to ask, thank you for the help

Well i'm in the market for a laptop, im going off to college fall of this year, i've used this site for a year now but never thought about actually signing up until now. im looking for a good gaming computer, and a good processor... something up to date that will handle just about everything very fluently. my price range is about 1k-1.5k US well my ps3 is what i use to game at the moment, im looking for a laptop will have the equivalent power of a ps3 or 360, or better, so i can game with the same experience on my laptop that ill most likely be hooking up to my tv just like my ps3. any ideas on a laptop that willdo this? what gfx card? so which laptop gfx card is stronger than the ps3 or 360? id appreciate any help on this matter. ALSO is there a new nvidia architecture or ATI architecture coming out for laptops, and how long should i wait to get a laptop? i have till august to get it? any tips news anything? =p
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i've been using this site:
http://pcpartcharts.com/filterLapto...sc&minrating=0&minratingGpu=0&maxprice=999999

and this site:
http://www.notebookcheck.net

to conduct most of my research.

ive looked at asus, gateway fx, and toshiba qosmio.

 

just wait till something with hd 58xx series with intel's i7 processor comes out

 

Well, my 3650 would probably perform about the same as the GPU in the Xbox 360 if it came to in terms of raw power, but it's the fact that games are generally more optimized for consoles. The developers only ever have to worry about making it for one piece of hardware.

But to get something that would play games at the same settings and the same resolution as consoles I'd recommend a 4650 or better.

 

The graphics cards used in the Xbox 360 and PS3 were discontinued years ago, so in terms of raw power, it's hard to find a gaming-level graphics card that's not more powerful. Of course, games for the consoles are much more optimized, since they're written for a very specific set of hardware.

That said, you should easily be able to outplay a PS3 with any high-end Core 2 Duo (2.4GHz or above, let's say) or Core 2 Quad, or Core i7/i5, and a 9800-series or GTX 260M/280M from nVidia, or a Mobility Radeon 48xx series or 58xx series from ATi.

 

im looking at ASUS's new ROG laptop the g73jh, its about 1600$ on some sites supposedly, i see that as being the best buy if thats the accurate price... i hope plus it has hd 5850, 8 gig ram, i7, and 1920x1080 display... backlit keyboard. i hope thats the price if so, thats would be the best bang for your buck, future proof for sure right?

 

Well, since 58 70 is currently the best single GPU on the market, it is certainly furtureproof. And it is great bang for your buck. It's better than a $2000 Alienware. I'm planning on getting one of these things myself.

 

If you have until August, there's no need to rush. Nvidia has new high-end chips coming in March, and there'll new a lot of new stuff by August. In any case, at least wait until March before making a decision.

 

Even my T61p can play GTA 4 at higher than console settings in the distance, texture, and general rendering area's, i run 720p res, medium texture, High reflections, High water reflections, Off shadows (sacrifices some good looks but shadows in GTA 4 suck anyways), Very High texture filtering (AF) 30 view distance, 30 details distance, 60 traffic, shadow density N/A.

 

Jealous.

 

The FX570M is about the same as the 3650 in your Toshiba. No? Well, his got GDDR3 but still.

But yeah, consoles are much more optimised. They have CPUs designed for gaming too. And games run at lower res.

 

Yes but you will laugh at me when my GPU eventually dies from the defect.

 

They are pretty much the same, but I get this stupid fast slow issue with the framerate when the resolution.

I wouldn't laugh at you.

 

Weird hmm, wait i remember you i think, we were both eventually having the stuttering problem. Did you try running it with just one HDD, because GTA 4 might actually be sharing the swap files of both HDD's, increasing data transit time.

 

And yet they still struggle with keeping a steady 30fps.

 

No, but it's probably not possible. If I disable my Hitachi driven then I won't be able to use both as the dual boot is used through the SATA port of the Hitachi...

 

I'm still on "got protection" because I just can't help exploring and messing around

Runs quite well on this machine but I still want triple the power to really see this.

Turned to PC after PS1 and never looked back... well I got a PSP

 

if you don't need it anytime soon then i would suggest you to wait until May or something. new and better laptops come out all the time and 5 months could make a big difference

 

http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/51270/new-secret-ati-pc-video-card-as-powerful-as-xbox-360/ ..x1900

 

Xbox 360 = X1950 PRO

 

Sort of. Xbox360 uses Xenos which shares specs with parts of different types of X1950 and not. The chip is a R600, the type which wasn't used until the 2000\3000 series. It also works differently to a regular graphics card.

There is no direct comparison, but if I had to make one up I'd call it a Radeon 2500 GT.

 

One thing to remember is that console games often (not always) run at a very low resolution. 1280x720 or below even...some of them run at like 600p.

 

600p being something like 1066x600, like in modern warfare 2 and possibly GTA4, and I think halo 3 as well. or something close to that at least.

 

RSX in the PS3 uses the Geforce 7800 architecture

The Xenos in the 360 was the launch for the R600, which led to the Radeon 2000 cards. Performance wise I'd say it's between a high end x1XXX card and a mid-high end 2XXX card.

 

Basically , Cosole = pwened by laptops or desktops... but if u want to get ASUS G73 , its a great choice...

 

definately going to wait, for a new laptop, looking forward to anything with directx11 support, tessellation is quite amazing. chances are i will wait for the g73, or nvidia to release their new line of mobile gfx cards.

 

the ati 5 series supports dx11, and it is out. but you should wait anyway. by august, an entire new set of graphics hardware will likely be available.

 

Yeah, true. HD 2500XT.

 

These are my recommended GPUs if you want to "guarantee" equivalent performance. Remember that consoles benefit from optimizations thanks to their fixed hardware in many of the multiplatform games, though it's not always the case and do typically run games in 720p at the most. This "guarantee" is not as much about equivalence but my recommendation, though I will let you know that these specific GPUs and those higher in their series are better than what's in either the PS3 or 360.

And I'm doing mobile GPUs only by the way. This also assumes the specific GPU is with 512 MB of more of GDDR3 memory or better as well as being reasonably available in current laptop models...........

Nvidia:
Geforce 9700M GTs or higher
Geforce 150M GT or higher
Geforce 230M GT or higher
Geforce 325/330M GT or higher

ATi:
Radeon 4650 or higher
Radeon 5650 or higher

Fortunately there are plenty of laptops equiped with these GPUs or even better (especially the 4650), so finding a reasonably priced lappy should be quite easy. However since there are new GPUs and Intel CPUs just making their initial splashes, you might want to consider waiting a bit (the revised Sony CWs and new S series both available with Intel i3 and i5s with optional Geforce 330M GT 512 MB really caught my eye). However you might catch an older model for a great price too so be on the look out. Also make sure any laptop you might like is equiped with at least DDR3 or GDDR3. Slow VRAM will hold you back so much.

 

Sorry for the double post.

It's somewhat related to R600. I put it as being roughly dead center between the Radeon 2600 and 2900 since it's 5 dimension units (48 x 5 = 240) can be interpreted as such. However the units in R600 are probably a bit more efficient per clock, as well as being truly DX10 capable, as opposed to the Xenos which can do some DX10 things but not all. If the Radeon 2900s performance could be represented as 100%, I'd probably place the Radeon 2600 in the 40% area with the Xenos in the 60s. Xenos is roughly 2/3 as capable as the Radeon 2900 in real time I would assume if memory bandwidth wasn't an issue. We can't argue with the fact that developers have done some pretty damn good things with the Xenos and many of the games still look and run great in comparison to what we would need on a PC to get similar performance, though I think many developers are getting lazy about optimization for lower end GPUs and fixed shader function cards (IE ATi X1xxx series and Geforce 7 and below), and just recommending 8800s and 3800s in the first place in order to guarantee good performance be it 720p or higher. Not a bad idea but at the same time, it discourages those with older machines, who may think they might not get good performance at all.

Honestly though I think CPU optimization is holding things back more. While the Xenon CPU in the 360 is roughly equivalent to a Pentium D in the same clock range, it's 2 threads per core for an equivalent of 6 threads total is making some devs lazy in some cases. Some games, even some just recently released for both the 360 and PC still only need a high speed single core in the 3.0 GHz range, but some like GTA IV are highly geared towards triple and quad cores. Maybe the base CPU requirement for GTA IV is for 360 and PS3 like game orchestration...........I'm not too sure, but it's certainly hungry for more than 2 cores. I almost want to say that GTA IVs triple core AMD CPU recommendation comes from similar process running/scheduling used in the 360 since the Xenon is 3 cores. Sure the Phenom x3s are more capable per clock than the Xenon by a long shot, but I guess many cores available gives the devs a similar CPU environment to use.

 

Hmm. Radeon 2750 it is then.

 

But with a shed load less bandwidth and access to ram.

 

Everything is better on the PC, it's the best gaming machine on the market and has been for the last ten years. Technology moves too quickly, the console's gpu can only compete for a year at best to the gpu options available for you on your pc. Not only that but the audio performance you can get out of your PC is much easily achieved. I've got incredible sound quality using my sound card and srs audio sandbox for under $75.

 

I fell out of gaming on PCs...I realize the hardware is better but you have to spend a decent amount of money to buy it and play with a lot of settings to get it looking and run as good as possible. A console you just insert the disk and play. Also, many developers have gotten lazy and the PC ports are buggy and sluggish.