question about Shader Clock and Core Clock

kay we're gonna talk about 2 video card, Nvidia Geforce 9500m gs, and ATI Mobility radeon 5650.

the Nvidia has Core speed 475mhz, and Shader speed 950mhz
the ATI card has Core Speed 450~650mhz, and Shader Speed 450~650mhz

what i want to know, does either shader speed or core speed affect the quality of anti aliasing and reflections??, or rendering in general?

the ATI is 1gb and the Nvidia is 512mb, but the nvidia has faster shader and clock speed, will that make it better at rendering and anti aliasing???

 

The HD 5650 is way faster and better in almost every graphical task than the 9500m GS ..... the thing is Nvidia & ATI have different system to shader clocks .... ATI doesn't use an independent adjustable shader clock its shader runs with the same speed that the core runs on

 

my 5650 anti aliasing is very very bad at anti aliasing, i dont know wether its a hardware problem or a driver problem or a directx 11 problem or a slower shader problem.

so what part of the video card controls anti aliasing??? and how can i make it better?

 

in ATI CCC you should choose a certain anti aliasing Filter:

Box = Highest performer & not the best quality
Narrow & Wide tent = they suck ... they are very blurry & annoying
Edge detect = Superior Quality and it has a nice feature that it makes the anti aliasing run on the stream processors and reduces the stress on the memory controllers but it works only on at least 4x anti aliasing so if u set AA to 2x it wont work on that filter and revert to box

 

i tried this but there is no difference in AA, its still the same.

 

Notebookcheck: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650

Notebookcheck: NVIDIA GeForce 9500M GS

 

what i really want to know, does a higher Shader clock affect the quality of anti aliasing or just frame rates????

 

They are built on different architecture, so it's not as simple as comparing shader and core speed...

ATI cards and Nvidia cards produce slightly different images for anti aliasing and even without anti aliasing. Some desktop enthusiasts only buy ATI cards because they claim the picture is better and brighter... some say Nvidia's is better.

In this case, the shader speed and core speed does not affect the quality of the anti aliasing (and reflections), the manufacture of your graphics card does.

no, not in this case. Only if we were talking about graphics cards fast enough to handle anti-aliasing.

 

i been to these pages for over 50 times, i think i read them pretty well

 

TweakGuides.com - Gamer's Graphics & Display Settings Guide

 

Clock/Memory speed can't affect the quality of the AA, unless there's a heat related problem.

 

Did you really need three threads for this?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...obility-radeon-5650-not-working-properly.html

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...liasing-problem-video-card-supposed-good.html

 

that is different if u didnt notice, i'm asking about clock speed and what component affects AA.

but generaly yes i need 3 threads for this, since i got nothing useful out of the last 2, and i'm stuck with this card for another 3 years.

 

That's life man.
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I wouldn't even use AA on new games with a 4870 GDDR5 desktop because it's too taxing on the fps...

The 5650 mobility is similar to the 5570 and ultimately the 4670. I don't know anyone with a desktop and a 5570 or 4670 pushing AA.

Expecting 2xAA and 4xAA like you said in your other thread in crysis, far cry 2, MW2 with a 5650 mobility is just silly.

 

If you want better image quality but cannot raise your resolution higher than 1366x768, buy and external monitor with 1920*1080 or even 1600*900.

Next time buy a laptop with a higher native resolution so you don't need AA, and get a faster graphics card more in line with your expectations.

 

i'm not putting high expectations, i was limited by a budget, and this card is the highest available to me where i live.

plus i'm not complaining about fps or anything, all i want is AA to work properly, as i said before, the only proper way i could notice proper AA is when u turn on Super Sampling....which i didn't have to do to get the same quality on the older Nvidia one.

i also have a 40" hdtv, and an HDMI, i connected to it and the same problem happens, so it didnt matter what i did i just couldnt get the same quality of AA as i did on nvidia.

 

I have a HD4570 which is hmm..... like I dunno 3x weaker than the HD 5650 ???

I can put on AA 2x or even 4x in some games like DAO,CoDMW2,L4D2 and a lot more .... I can tell you that the Anti-aliasing works just fine & the images are great on 1366*768 (I cant afford one of the high end laptops so they are as fine as it can get for me )

I can also confirm that the HD 4670 in the Dell XPS 1640 is amazing in that domain it even at the higher resolution of the Dell's screen on a friend's laptop .... Also another one got the HD 4530 and AA works just fine for him

I think that you have some faulty hardware because this aint software/game issue thats for sure ... I recommend you should ask for a replacement to this machine bro since it is still new

 

On my Macbook Pro 17 w/ 9600m(weaker than HD 5650) I can run MW2; 2X Anti-Aliasing, 1920X1200, everything else on medium.

How to fix Anti-Aliasing on yours: Turn it off if it don't work right.

 

The OP should run benchmarks (with aa sampling) and just generally compare with other 5650 owners to test for faulty hardware.

If it's still in the return period, ship it back and get a new one. If it's in the parts and labor period (usually after 14-30 days) tell them you have a faulty gpu and your games aren't working right.

But creating lots of threads is not going to solve your problem, stick to the point: Is your gpu defective? or is it not defective?

 

actually I have been following this on various threads .... he has performance issues, white dots issues & quality issues that drivers and stuff couldn't fix + he says he aint overheating & thats why I think it maybe hardware problem

 

well thats what i'm trying to find out, i don't know if its defective or thats how it normally acts......if only any of the people who have this card replied to me when i PMed them i would've known by now.

but till now i'm the only one who has the 5650 that i know of.

and what software do i use for AA benchmarking?

 

hmm.... there is no software for AA benchmarking what Arom ment was to use a normal benching software with the ability to use AA ..... like hmm..... almost every GPU benching software out there .... you can use Furmark to test your GPU stability + you can turn on AA on it + it is not so big so thats like an instant download + its FREE!!!

download it put on some AA and stress test that baby and keep us informed

 

Most importantly, compare with other 5650 owners, preferably ones with the same laptop or cpu.

What kind of laptop do you have? Create a thread in that sub-forum so members can post their experiences with that specific machine and graphics card.

 

furmark is for 32bit OS, i'm running win7 64bit

 

it will work on a x64 system dont worry just download it

 

I just ran it on my 64 bit Win7.

 

just to make stuff clear, i have a sony vaio vpcea16fa, with an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650, i5 520m 2.4ghz processor and WIN 7 64 bit.

its is possible that 50% of the benchmarking programs out there (free ones anyway) have limited compatibility, and i have an integrated gpu which might not be compatible and makes the program not run, all i know is that i got an error message.....and i couldn't even put on any AA multipliers