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    radeon 4850 vs geforce 9800

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by kvnrthr, Jul 5, 2009.

  1. kvnrthr

    kvnrthr Notebook Geek

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    im trying to buy a notebook for gaming, but i dont know what graphics card to choose. im considering the radeon 4850 and the geforce 9800gt/gs/gts. can someone compare them?
     
    kvnrthr, Jul 5, 2009
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  2. sean473

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    get the one with 9800M GT. The rest of the 9800's are louiser than th GT.
     
    sean473, Jul 5, 2009
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  3. Snowm0bile

    Snowm0bile Starcraftologist

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    the 4850 runs higher benchmarks than the 9800 if thats what youre wondering.
     
    Snowm0bile, Jul 5, 2009
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    The 4850 should be slightly faster than the 9800 depending upon the games you play. In some other games, the 9800 is faster.
     
    pacmandelight, Jul 5, 2009
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  5. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    The Mobility 4850 beats the 9800M GT in everything.
     
    Kevin, Jul 5, 2009
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    neilnat Notebook Evangelist

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    Agreed, you have to get to a 9800m GTX to rival a 4850, and then it's pretty even
     
    neilnat, Jul 5, 2009
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  7. Fragilexx

    Fragilexx Get'cha head in the game

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    Nope, the 4850 will not beat the 9800 in everything. Although the stats for the card are better than the 9800, you have to take into account the fact that driver support is better for the Nvidia cards and that game programmers tend to favour one or the other, usually nvidia over ati.
     
    Fragilexx, Jul 5, 2009
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  8. Kevin

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    I was personally involved in the first 4850 vs GTX vs GT comparisons, and my GT was left in the dust in every benchmark, synthetic or real world. If there's a game in which the GT can keep up, I haven't found it.
     
    Kevin, Jul 5, 2009
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  9. dondadah88

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    the 9800m gtx and the 4850 is almost even. if someone has one we can do a comparsion. but for the crysis the 4850 wins.

    also if you are comparing the 4850 to the gt/gts/gs, the 4850 is faster. what notebooks ae you looking at.

    kevin,, can i see those benchmarks???
     
    dondadah88, Jul 5, 2009
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  10. v_c

    v_c Notebook Evangelist

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    Its a damn shame the 4850 hasnt found its way into more notebooks.
     
    v_c, Jul 5, 2009
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  11. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    yeah i believe only the msi gt725 and the asus w90 has it. (imo if you prefer single gpu solutions i would go for the 4850 from the msi. it's starting at about 1,400)
     
    dondadah88, Jul 5, 2009
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  12. Snowm0bile

    Snowm0bile Starcraftologist

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    it has problems with overheating.
     
    Snowm0bile, Jul 5, 2009
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  13. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    it does. are you sure. i haven't heard of this not even alittle. on either systems.
     
    dondadah88, Jul 5, 2009
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  14. Snowm0bile

    Snowm0bile Starcraftologist

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    oh no not on those systems. someone said i wish it was in more systems.

    but i thought the reason it wasnt in more notebooks was because overheating. at least with xfire. ;x
     
    Snowm0bile, Jul 5, 2009
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  15. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    no the wihtebook gets hot because there is only one fan cooling two gpu's. the asus w90 is perfectly fine.
     
    dondadah88, Jul 5, 2009
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    huiman84 Notebook Consultant

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  17. nacr05

    nacr05 Extreme Overclocker

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    The 4850 in my GT725 does not run hot at all. It preforms much better than the 9800m GT.
     
    nacr05, Jul 5, 2009
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  18. MexicanSnake

    MexicanSnake I'm back!

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    The HD4850 is one step ahead from the 9800gt.
     
    MexicanSnake, Jul 5, 2009
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  19. Athlon64M

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    I would word that more carefully if I were you. The Catalyst 9.6 drivers work just fine. Not to mention NVIDIA is behind even in DirectX 10.1 compliance.
     
    Athlon64M, Jul 5, 2009
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  20. Fragilexx

    Fragilexx Get'cha head in the game

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    Please do not try to tell me how to write my posts. You can agree or disagree with my comments, but these forums are here for everyone to contribute their opinions, not to tell others how to convey theirs.

    So anyway, why do ATI not provide updates for their mobile GPUs directly then? Instead you have to mod the desktop drivers. Unless of course the manufacturer of your laptop maintains the very latest version of the ATI drivers; and whilst some will for the latest machines, but they certainly don't have the level of support that nvidia mobile gpus have.
     
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  21. neilnat

    neilnat Notebook Evangelist

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    But looking at real game benchmarks, the 9800m GT only approaches the 4850 in games that highly favor Nvidia, neutral games are a landslide. This is one collection of benchmarks... keep in mind that only the performance at high settings matter... no one cares how well a high-end card runs Crysis at 1024x768... the CPU differences are more evident at those lower settings anyway.

    http://optimitza.cat/benchmarks/laptops
     
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  22. Fragilexx

    Fragilexx Get'cha head in the game

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    Apologies then, I had thought it was about the GTX. I've just re-read the original post and I'd missed that. Yes the 4850 would be better than any other 9800 except the GTX for which my original comment was intended.
     
    Fragilexx, Jul 5, 2009
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  23. Boomerz

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    I'd go for the 4850 over the 9800 gt. Like everyone said if you were talking about the 9800gtx then it would be a tougher choice since they perform evenly. The person who says that ATI doesn't do good drivers has no idea what he's talking about. Which company was responsible for most of the BSOD in Vista, on yeah Nvidia.
     
    Boomerz, Jul 6, 2009
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  24. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    i had poor driver support with ati because i had the 3870 crossfire and after 8.10, i couldn't overclock. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
    dondadah88, Jul 6, 2009
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  25. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    "If you look at real game benchmarks, some games favor Nvidia so the 9800m GT performs artificially well! (so ignore these benchmarks)."

    No, foolish. It isn't up to you to interpret game benchmarks based on how well your card of choice outperforms the competitor. Be transparent and objective in your assessments. I might respect ignoring 3dmark benchmarks, but in game benchmarks are true examples or real world performance.

    so, if an nvidia card gets the same score as an ati card in 3dmark, but only performs 75% as well as that ati card in an average of 20 of the most popular games, that is something important to mention.

    But if a certain nvidia card performs 75% as well as an ATI card in 10/20 of the most popular games, and 95% as well in the other 10/20, you had better not conclude that the nvidia card is 75% as powerful and the other 10 games "just favor nvidia cards". How foolish. Contribute more results and less opinions.
     
    masterchef341, Jul 6, 2009
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  26. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    well me and neilnat can run some benchmarks but i have a 9800m gtx not a gt.
     
    dondadah88, Jul 6, 2009
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  27. wHo0p3r

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    even then, I don't think so.
    the 4850 will be almost the same as the 9800 GTX, but may have one going over the other in some games.
     
    wHo0p3r, Jul 6, 2009
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  28. kvnrthr

    kvnrthr Notebook Geek

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    thanks. are there actually any notebooks using the 9800 gtx?
     
    kvnrthr, Jul 6, 2009
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  29. Hahutzy

    Hahutzy Notebook Deity

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    Last I checked, Alienware m15x?
     
    Hahutzy, Jul 6, 2009
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  30. Fragilexx

    Fragilexx Get'cha head in the game

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    Agreed; my original comment was that it wouldn't beat it in all cases.
     
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    well i'm ready almost at anytime to run some thing. i just want someone with a 4850. but the problem is. i have a e8600 and a 9800m gtx. so they would have to overclock there cpu.
     
    dondadah88, Jul 6, 2009
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  32. neilnat

    neilnat Notebook Evangelist

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    A Toshiba Qosmio I believe...

    And any new laptop with a GTX 260m... it's basically the same card with smaller fab process. I think it's overclocked a little compared to it's old 9800 form in the Sager 8662, but it looks like they had to scale the clocks back to the old 500 MHz for the Asus G51 (and it's still overheating).
     
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  33. Athlon64M

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    ATi does have updates for their Mobile GPU's.
    http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx

    Their Catalyst Drivers contain all the files needed for the Mobility GPU's.
     
    Athlon64M, Jul 6, 2009
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  34. Fragilexx

    Fragilexx Get'cha head in the game

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    Not under Vista they don't. Go on, try to install one without using mobility modder. Those are all for non mobility cards. Last time I checked, that typically means non laptop.

    I kindly point you to this page here which says:

     
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  35. kvnrthr

    kvnrthr Notebook Geek

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    on a related subject, how does the gtx260 compare with the radeon 4850?
     
    kvnrthr, Jul 6, 2009
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  36. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    since it's alittle better them the 9800m gtx (2-5 percent) and the 9800m gtx is better then the 4850, i think the 260 will win.

    if we only had someone with a 4850 to try to test with. :(
     
    dondadah88, Jul 6, 2009
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  37. cloud962

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    I thought the toshiba qosmio used dual 9800gt's but i might be mistaken.
     
    cloud962, Jul 7, 2009
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  38. dondadah88

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    no a single 9800m gtx or dual 9800m gts
     
    dondadah88, Jul 7, 2009
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  39. cloud962

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    Oh, your right.

    Coulda sworn it had 9800 gt's :confused2:
     
    cloud962, Jul 7, 2009
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  40. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    when i wanted to purchase it. i looked so hard to find a pair of 9800m gtx in it but i couldn't.
     
    dondadah88, Jul 7, 2009
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  41. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    you mean SMOKES it ;)
     
    The_Moo™, Jul 7, 2009
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  42. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    maybe i'm working an a record but hardware limited. i'm at 10,756 stock on 3dmark06. i haven't overclocked it yet since i tweaked it i was at 10,100 stock before and overclocked it to 12,4?? or 12,5??.
     
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  43. neilnat

    neilnat Notebook Evangelist

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    4850's are represented in this benchmark comparison using games and not 3dmark... we need 260s and more numbers for 9800 gtx's (preferably without desktop CPUs)

    http://optimitza.cat/benchmarks/laptops

    Add results using this thread

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=4791667


    Also, notice that when comparing to an overclocked 280m with a better CPU, the 4850 is gives lower results in DMC4 and Crysis (Nvidia optimized) and very similar but higher results in WIC and X3... so the 280 is better, but only in some games... my guess for a gtx 260m is neutral/ati games will favor the 4850 and nvidia games will favor the 260, leading to pretty much a draw...

    Also we need to keep in mind that the gtx 260 in the new Asus G51 is downclocked from the one in the Sager.
     
    neilnat, Jul 7, 2009
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  44. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    why not desktop cpu. we ran benchmarks with my e8600 3.33ghz vs an x9100 3.46ghz and the x9100 won by far, so the time of desktop cpu being better then laptops is over. of course his was overclock but to think that dektop cpus are better is now void. (if you want to see a link i can show you.)
     
    dondadah88, Jul 7, 2009
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  45. neilnat

    neilnat Notebook Evangelist

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    The current 9800m gtx benchmarks in that source are with a QX9650... that is better than laptop CPUs...

    As far as your e8600, I can OC to 2.88 ghz to get closer, but I'll never have the L2 cache. If we could find someone with a 075US model (with the P9500) we could get closer.
     
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  46. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    well if you are willing I can drop my cpu speeds to 3.0ghz if you want.(i really don't want to but it's only fair.)

    and we can go from there. but I am at work so I can only watch right now. what benchmarks you have. I have
    crysis
    dmc4
    3dmark06
    3dmark vantage
    farcry2
    crysis warhead
    sf4(bechmark demo)
    and more if you want to get started you can and i'll catch up later tonight. just let me know the resoultion and your settings.

    also can you provide stocked and overclocked and max overclocked setting.

    I know anothergeek is also going to see this and post his 280m benchmarks for better comparison.
     
    dondadah88, Jul 7, 2009
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  47. sgogeta4

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    It's not really a fair comparison between a low end desktop CPUs vs. a high end notebook CPUs. History is always showing that those two will be similar but high end desktop CPUs will destroy ANY notebook CPU period.
     
    sgogeta4, Jul 7, 2009
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    cloud962 Notebook Consultant

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    it is?

    wouldn't you be able to overclock it to make it identical to the sagers?

    i thought asus had inbuilt overclocking programs in their laptops anyways.
     
    cloud962, Jul 7, 2009
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  49. neilnat

    neilnat Notebook Evangelist

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    Can't find the original source now, but it's quoted in this thread
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=5000348

    Asus has inbuilt CPU overclocking but not GPU... plus the reason the 260 is downclocked is most likely the temps, which are already a problem at stock speeds.
     
    neilnat, Jul 7, 2009
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  50. kvnrthr

    kvnrthr Notebook Geek

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    can you list some of the nvidia and ati games? i just want to see if there are a lot of them.
     
    kvnrthr, Jul 7, 2009
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