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    worlds fastest 5650

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by godly_skillz, Apr 28, 2011.

  1. godly_skillz

    godly_skillz Notebook Consultant

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    I scored 1555 with a AMD processor.

    how amazing is that.

    any games you guys want me to bench at these clocks?
     
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    What are the clocks?
     
  3. godly_skillz

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    790/1155 10 char
     
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    I think someone else might have scored higher clocks(not 24/7) but still those are impressive clocks, how are ur temps? and are those clocks really stable?
     
  5. godly_skillz

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    its only stable for benchmarks
     
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    ...my maximum o.c is only 650/900...next it crash(i think is a bios problem...),i score exactly like a 5730,or little better with these...your voltage is stock O.O?
     
  7. godly_skillz

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    I overvolted to 1.05v from 1.0v

    650/900 isnt very good i wonder if your card is undervolted?

    compared to stock this overclock nets me quite a bit of extra frames allowing me to raise the settings.

    I dont think anyone has reached a higher overclock, as iv'e searched.

    the highest overclock iv'e seen was from a 5730 at 840/1100.

    im pretty sure my 790/1155 still trumps the average 5730 users overclock.
     
  8. jerg

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    With the new overclocking software Trixx apparently we can all overvolt our 5650's.

    Meaning 750+/1200+ core/mem clock overclocking possibilities (e.g. if overvolted to 1.05v or 1.10v).
     
  9. Hungry Man

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    I have an undervolted card so I get 700/900. I've considered overvolting but I haven't run into anything that has a gpu bottleneck.
     
  10. junglebungle

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    I've just installed that Trixx, and i can't overvolt mine :( there is a slider, but there is nothing to slide.

    My 5650 crashes when i take it over 660.
     
  11. jerg

    jerg Have fun. Stay alive.

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    Strange, mine's slider starts at 1.000v and ends at 1.050v, and I can change/set it. Maybe Toshiba laptops are completely locked down while Acer ones aren't? Or perhaps the Trixx program does not recognize your laptop as well?
     
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    Mine goes from 1.000v to 1.100v. So, I would assume that every laptop manufacturer is slightly different?

    OP: Do you have any 3dmark06 scores?
     
  13. godly_skillz

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    I only use 3dmark11 and 3dmark vantage.

    3dmark06 is completely useless, and does not imitate game performance in anyway.

    if your curious about performance I run every game out at high settings. heck even crysis runs at 30fps all high. thats what matters, not some stupid benchmark.

    however 3dmark11 gives a pretty accurate outlook on what to expect gaming wise. its very very accurate and thats what counts when benching.

    3dmark06.

    iv'e seen people score over 10 000 with much lower clocks then mine. but if your curious what it could mean, if i had a 3ghz c2d and my gpu i would score over 11 000 easily..just let your imagination roam.

    ps.

    dont expect all 5650 to run at the same clocks. my first computer before i exchanged was a toshiba that was undervolted and underclocked, it could only muster a 1040 on the memory. my new laptop is able to overclock past 1150 which is very very rare.

    this card should have been binned as a 5730.

    if you browse the 5730 benchmarks over at futuremark you will see my gpu score of 1460 would rank it in third place gpu wise.

    3rd place in a completely differant class is a feat on its own, I just consider myself lucky to be able to overclock to such obsene levels.

    i personally wish i could overvolt to 1.1v, but for whatever reason i cant. maybe i need a new vbios.
     
  14. gieffe22

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    ...i bring 660/900 on 1.00v...wait now i see if trixx help me with voltage!
     
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    Use GPU-Z to verify whether the voltage really get changed by Trixx. If not you will have to modify the vbios.
     
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    i tryed trixx but nothing...i cant modify the voltage...is 0,900 when i'm on low power consumption...1.00 when i play at max
     
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    That's what I expected... you can modify the vbios and see whether the card accepts the voltage.
     
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    Are you using a VAIO, by any chance?
     
  19. Meaker@Sager

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    Unapproved drivers.

    For all we know you turned your tesselation to 0.

    EDIT:

    Oh look, I turn off tesselation and then my scores fall in to line exactly with my core speed advantage.

    Why not try, I dont know, not cheating and then maybe i'll be impressed.

    Here is a real 1557 score:

    http://3dmark.com/3dm11/933689

    You can clearly see it is ahead in those tests without tessellation and then behind in those with compared to yours.

    EDIT: Here is a real high score to save this thread:

    http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1112876

    p1608

    900/1125 clocks.

    Oh and if I cheat I get 1750.
     
  20. gieffe22

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    no...i have a hp...the big problem is that i cant touch the vbios because gpuz and trixx doesnt recognize it...another friend help me to mod the bios of notebook but the program for mod it,not open -.- it.For my luck in 650/900 all games run fluently in hd(and for now sure in stock 550/800)
     
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    TO Meaker:

    I will answer your questions in a bit, but first im curious as to why you always compare your 5730 to everyone elses 5650, they are differant cards.
    why not post some 5870 benchmarks instead?

    As for cheating, do you really think the person below me in 3dmark11 with 1554 didnt have tesslation set to 0? if his clocks are lower than mine how can you expect his gpu score to match mine without cheating as well?

    the idea of 3dmark11 is to get the highest score possible, through whatever means nessessary, sad but true. this amd cheat is similar to nvidias physx with vantage. scores go up and people use them. they use whatever they have to improve scores. higher score equals bigger .

    If I was to use amd optimized tesslation would that not be cheating as well? what about if I set the slider to max would that not be cheating aswell?

    there was three options.

    no tesslation
    amd optimized tesslation
    slider based tesslation option

    I simply picked the first option to increase my score, is that not the goal in 3dmark11? if i could alter the LODs I would. afterall it is just a benchmark and its standard practice for people to cheat.

    SO WHY ON EARTH WOULD I COMPARE A LEGIT SCORE TO A BUNCH OF CHEAT SCORES?

    next.

    Your overlcok is not much higher than mine, do you mind explaining how you get 200 extra points with a measley 80mhz overclock over mine without cheating aswell?

    And can you prove the 1750 score with cheating? validation would be nice.

    thanks
     
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    The goal of 3dmark is a benchmark.

    The point of it is to set all cards on a level playing field so that we can compare them and judge how they will perform in games.

    If you change that by cheating and messing with LOD, turning off tessellation it becomes pointless.

    You may as well get hacked drivers, put it in wireframe mode, why not just photo shop a benchmark summary.

    As for why I score 10% more than you would is that 10% is the core advantage (3dmark 11 is going to be core bound).

    Its like those who kept physX on in 3dmark vantage, its meaningless.

    Futuremark are currently working on how to detect the lack of tessellation so they can give a warning on the result saying its not valid. ATI/AMD sprung it on them.

    Here is my inflated benchmark run (run at 900/1125)

    http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1116620

    Those are my benchmarking clocks, I usually just stick to 875/1100 since thats what my card is flashed to run at.

    EDIT: Also my Q9200 @ 3ghz is going to crush that athlon into dust.
     
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    Let me take a look at this vbios... can you upload it?
     
  24. Meaker@Sager

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    There is a voltage difference. I get 1.1v :D
     
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    Ummmm... this seems to be the system BIOS... I was talking about the vbios, the bios of the GPU. But maybe it's better you don't touch it :D
     
  27. jerg

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    Not true, 5730's are ones with inherently higher voltages and thus likely higher binned chips. This means they WILL have better base- and over- clocks compared to 5650's.
     
  28. Hungry Man

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    I think people are caring a bit too much about a synthetic benchmark.
     
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    Agreed, all these "Look, I got 200 more points than your card in 3dmarkXX!" threads are growing rather morbidly. Synthetic benchmarks are good for testing system stability, evaluating system performance, in no way they are very accurate performance indicators, that's why it's called "synthetic".
     
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    is not possible extract the bios of gpu(impossible to read with all programs)...if this was possible,now i touched it...
     
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    You can easily to it with ati flash/winflash and GPUz. Both are easily done, but GPUz probably the easiest.
     
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    Not if the chip is integrated on the motherboard and runs off the system bios.

    So for me, it's that easy :D
     
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    i tryed it many times..."impossible read the bios of this device" -.-
     
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    What type of BIOS is it? AMI, Insyde, Phoenix? Phoenix tool can't extract this BIOS.
     
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    Is Insyde...
     
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    I can't extract the BIOS from my HD 5650 either on my 4820TG (Insyde BIOS).

    It's no big deal to me since the overclock settings are loaded automatically each time I sign into Windows 7. Just enable the settings in the Sapphire TriXX program.
     
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    in my other pc i have a nvidia 8400m...i can overclock it to a max of 550 for core(sotck is 450)...much time ago i softmodded it with riva tuner to 8600m gs...in fact the card is the same but the program load the driver of 8600m gs that have a higher voltage...with this trick i can overclock it to a max of 660 for core with no bios mod...not,its not possible to make this way with our 5650?
     
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    It does.

    I'm saying its hard if its part of the system bios, easy if its separate.
     
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    just a question...guys waht version of trixx you have?the latest?(can be that in latest version he remove the voltage for all ati card for a security problems)
     
  40. MahmoudDewy

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    People increased the voltage using version 4.0 ... thats the one before the latest
     
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    many thx...now i try it

    EDIT:
    nothing :((he recognize my vcore but i not can change it)
     
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    with tess enabled ii get 1403...top that
     
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    my voltage goes to 1.0 while gaming and trixx dosent allow me to overvolt.how can i do this? and also i have tried many tools to extract video bios.gpuz,ati winflash..how can i extract my video bios? please help me someone!! i have a hp dv6 3050tx laptop..

    the max OC i can go is 650/850 :(
     
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    same as me(660-900)...is a bios lock without a doubt....no luck man,we can make nothing
     
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    Well unless you break out the soldering iron and go at the voltage regulation circuitry for the graphics card.

    That's a bit extreme though.

    Your power circuitry is probably non-programmable and locked at a max 1v.
     
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    In my experience any one with a name that has a z in or iiiXXX!!! are always up to no good.

    Take a look at all the cheaters/glitchers in COD. there name is like that.

    Godly do you play COD?
     
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    do u have the same laptop?? dv6 3050?
     
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    Im actually at 700/1200 but dont want to go higher since i use 1.20 Volts on my BIOS modded TOSHIBA L650. Today i try to set the Voltage lower.
    Since i noticed that My laptop has a really bad cooling and i get with 600/1000 already 95C its not a good idea to go higher. And theres no improvement from 550 to 650Mhz core. I think Memory does count more but 550/1000 will be the best solution for me.
    Todays experiment:
    550Mhz/1000Mhz with 0.9 Volts!
     
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    OK. BIOS modded and flashed:
    530Mhz Core and 1000Mhz Memory are stable with 0.9 Volts and the
    temperature is ok to 70C :)
     
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    hmmm... dunno if I've just got a good card, but my 5650 goes to 620/1050 on 0.95v on a Dell n5010
     
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