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    worlds fastest 965m broke 10000 3dmark11 gpu

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by ryanev84, Jun 9, 2016.

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    Not bad at all. Another 600 points and you have 980M stock score.
     
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    yes ive tried throttlestop

    btw what drivers are best for benchmarking


    nice score drake
     
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    sm2596.....do you wanna do overvolted 965m vs oc 970m?

    maybe make charts for others to see?
     
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    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
    2549, 60000, 38, 53, 42.483

    crysis 3 fxaa veryhigh settings veryhigh textures
     
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    battlefield 4 maxed

    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
    2987, 60000, 42, 67, 49.783
     
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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    This is a stock score: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11323902

    4720HQ is high 7ks and low 8k in score. If you get lower than this, you are most likely power limited, or even throttling.
     
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    Mine can't do that, it gets unstable at anything higher than 225 at the core and max of 50mv, even at stock speeds it will crash with the well know black screen if i overvolt it more dan 50mv. So either my core isn't that good or the board itself can't provide enough power (although its more likely just the core). Then again it was so darn cheap (900 bucks for a new gt72) that I don't care that much :)
     
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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Wow that is a good deal.. Where did you get a GT72 so cheap?

    Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk
     
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    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    probably stolen :p
     
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    killkenny1 Too weird to live, too rare to die.

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    Well it is a steal for that price :D
     
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    Bought it from a guy that had a bunch of them stil sealed in the box. I reason why it was so cheap is because it has a spanish keyboard (still need to swap that alhough it doesn't bother me).I think a local company made the mistake to order the wrong model (since the box says it was imported in my own country) and needed to get rid of them again .

    And yeah I couldn't resist it, aside from the mediocre quality of the chassis, keyboard and soldered cpu it's actually a good machine. Way better than the older gt70 which I hated, and somewhat better than my R4 (which is for sale atm), and ofcourse better than the 17 r2/r3 bga books.
     
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    nice.

    wonder how well an overclocked 970m fairs with tomb raider maxed
     
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    btw, my cpu score is low cause of single 8gb ram in single channel mode
     
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    raduque Notebook Evangelist

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    You have a significantly better CPU than me. :p

    It looks like the 970m is CPU bottlenecked even with a fast i7 4/8!
     
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    is the 965m bottlenecked also?
     
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    Nope, the 970M isn't bottle necked... Your bottleneck is probably the BGA :D... 4720HQ is good enough for 970M... However probably the silicon lottery is your handicap :D
     
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    it really is a lottery in a sense


    @D2 Ultima received only one HQ sample that was able to hold boost clock similar to an MQ/MX chip.
     
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    Huh? I've never seen a HQ haswell chip in front of me. I've seen a few that can hold its TDP under load, however. Octiceps has one, and there's a couple others floating around on the forum. But the large majority won't regardless of what settings you choose anywhere.

    Funnily enough, I've YET to see a 48xxHQ or 49xxHQ have this ability. Only 4710HQs (I don't even remember a single 4720HQ having the ability either).
     
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    it's on your mobile cpu info, guy with 4xxxHQ was able to hold 3.4ghz indefinitely like an MQ chip
     
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    Well what I said was this:
    Also, please note that every couple of months, I meet exactly one person that has a 4710HQ that can surpass the power limits indefinitely like a 4710MQ would.

    I've seen a few, but it is by FAR not the majority. I'll assume about 3% of people or less get those chips, give or take. And when I say it surpasses power limits, I mean "regardless of clockspeed". If @Dufus would be so kind as to link it, abusing a microcode bug for unlocked OCing with a certain user's 4710HQ on this forum has him running something like 4.5GHz without dropping.
     
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    Microcode bug? More like what we should be getting in the first place :p
     
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    Since when has intel cared about the consumer, though? 8 core CPU $1000. 10 core CPU $1750. That's $750 for TWO cores. Might as well get two 6-core XEONs in a dual CPU motherboard and get even more performance for probably less money?

    Their hardware has no equal, and thus they charge what they feel like, and manipulate it how they feel like. Remember when they removed Skylake mainstream's bclk tweaking (even on Z170 chipsets) unless using a K CPU? Except that the bclk freedom of adjustment is pointless on a K CPU?
     
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    I miss the old days of overclocking, when the only limit was how much voltage you can put through a chip before it fried, regardless of cooling.
     
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    Haswell's cpus can hold their clocks regardless thanks to some tweaks. Now it remains to be seen if the cooling is up to snuff. I've been power limited-free for a while now and you REALLY notice the difference in games that push the CPU.
     
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    just bought and installed 8gb of ram....cpu scores are much higher...gaming performance is slightly better in project cars at least....and newer games stuttering so bad its unplayable are now played at max settings and butter smooth...ram was the bottleneck..

    if you are a gamer the min ram is 16gb as ive tested relentlessly 3 configurations
     
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    Can you point me in the right direction? I've upped the voltages in XTU and still power throttle way before I ever thermal throttle.
     
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    up voltage is performance suicide in HQ chip...

    low ur voltage, it will help a lot
     
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    Ah, I see you finally understand =D. 2015's AAA titles abused CPUs to death. People saying 3.1GHz and stuff on a 6700HQ is enough know not what they speak of, especially if you really want some performance and have something to drive.

    Though I'm glad you found a way to remove the power throttle for your system. I assume either using TS8's feature for powercut or simply undervolting/tweaking so that it doesn't overdraw its TDP limits was the trick?

    Yeah adding voltage is the wrong way to go for Haswell and broadwell HQ.
     
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    ok a question, does 6820hk have unlocked power limit like XM/MX chip in the past?
     
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    Removed power throttling by altering uefi values that affect power reading. The cpu thinks it is using half of what it truly is using. This causes the power limit to never engage.

    I havent alterec current nor thermal because even at 3.6ghz my temps can reach high tems and I rather keep those just in case :)

    But tested it for hours and it works.

    It was all thanks to Dufus. I also tested power cut and works just as well, but it also affects my XTU readings so i went with the uefi mod. Plus the uefi mod sticks even after shutdown/reboot.
     
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    Apparently yes it does. Only limited by thermals as far as I remember.
     
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    Typo, oops. I meant I upped the TDP limits.

    So, how does lowering voltage help? I always thought more voltage was better.
     
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    More voltage is only needed if your processor can't hold clock or isn't stable for your wanted Oc :D
     
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    Yes. If any limit exists it's an OEM-imposed limit, either with a bad motherboard design (like the M17xR4 which can't deliver over 68W to its CPU) or just artificial limits (like ASUS laptops limiting the maximum selectable turbo and TDP etc).
    Sounds fantastic. I'm NOT adding this in my mobile guide, however. Anybody who really wants to find it will eventually do so, and I don't advocate any mods that can break a system, save vBIOS flashing (as that's honestly been necessary for quite some time).
    Upping your TDP limits does nothing on a haswell/broadwell HQ chip. You might as well be trying to hack a mango for all the good it does. After 2.5 minutes maximum, it WILL go back down to 47W. Unless you perform a UEFI hack or use Throttlestop's Powercut like ryzeki just mentioned.

    Less voltage = less overall power drawn (but more amps needed) to maintain general functionality. This means your TDP stretches further. It is possible to undervolt so much that you begin getting current limit throttling because of lack of Amps, and it is unknown whether or not you can actually raise the amps without hitting a current limit barrier, then raising the current limit, and seeing if it goes away.
     
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    In addition to preventing power throttling undervolting can also be effective if your CPU tends to thermal throttle.
     
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    whats the best nvidia
    control panel settings
     
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    Maximum performance. At least if you enjoy benchmarks :rolleyes:
     
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    A17R3/15R2 + GT72 have unlock thermal limit?
     
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    Amazing stuff. Still using 740M here, but would love to have 965M!
     
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    ps why do you guys care about cpu scores
     
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    If the CPU can't feed the GPU quickly enough, it pulls down performance.
     
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    since when has that been an issue?

    Im 31 and a nerd and feel as though people are less educated nowadays.

    a ULV i5 wouldn't bottleneck a 980m
     
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    you high or something?
     
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    this was run with my cpu maxed at 2hgz almost 2ghz underclocked.

    note physics score is 2700 thats around i3 ulv scores.

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/12607257?

    my gpu score was higher than usual.

    ps I better get rep for this
     
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