x4500 vs x3100 battery life

any word?

I'm waiting to get a T9400 M1330 with the x4500. I just need it before august...I'm thinking it'll be out then but i want to be sure i'm going to get better battery life with the x4500 otherwise it's not worth it for me to wait.

anyone hearing anything?

 

I'd like to tell you more, but since reviewers barely compare battery life against IGPs together, I can't. It'll be out by August but can't guarantee you the battery life will be better. Since X4500 is a faster IGP with better power management I'd say it'll be equal(or very slightly different).

 

Any updates?

 

igp's in general consume very little power, and at most even with a more powerful x4500 chip (it'll probably have better power management too to make the difference even less) there'll only be a difference of around 5-10minutes, if even that

 

If I were you, I'd definitely wait for the new AMD's integrate soltuion... its new Turion Ultra is gonna support DDR2 800MHz (something that not even Intel's pernryn processors can handle) and will be packed along with the new RS780M chipset that has, among other things, a full integrated ATI HD3200 vga w/up to 512MB DDR2/GDDR3 dedicated.

In other words you're gonna buy it cheap, paying only the average market price for a laptop with an integrated solution, but will get a similar/to better performance-ratio than a much more expensive notebook (for example, one with an offboard Geforce 8400m GS w/128MB)....

I won't even mention intel's x4500 integrated graphic card... cause if AMD's RS780M chipset with its integrated ATI HD3200 vga can leave an offboard Nvidia's geforce into the dust... it's pretty obvious that Intel's vga solution won't stand any chances against it....


Therefore mate, my advice is simple: don't buy an Intel laptop now. Wait for the shortcoming AMD's.

 

I'm not a Intel/Nvidia fanboy but I doubt any integrated card will be better than a dedicated one (Seriously? ATi HD3200? Are you comparing it to the 8000 series?).Montevina will support DDR2-667, DDR2-800, DDR3-800 and DDR3-1066 SO-DIMM RAM.

 

1) I was talking about Intel's current product (penryn)...

2) The best thing about this new chipset from AMD is the fact it uses and integrated but fully independent vga w/its on memory. This solution will be even better than a "basic" geforce 8400m gs w/128mb DDR2, in the sense that the HD3200 core speed is higher, has more stream processors and also can come with up to 512mb DDR2/GDDR3 (dedicated) onboard.

3) But beating a gefoce 8400m is not its goal... the thing is, as it'll be an integrated plataform, the price will definitely be low... and if you compare the overall performance you'd get purchasing it, with what intel can offer in a laptop of the same price range (with its weak integrated GMA series)... AMD's product is gonna be unbeatible.


I'm not an AMD fanboy. I actually own only Intel cpus atm, but if I were in a low-budget and needed to buy a notebook, I would not think twice: I'd get this new AMD "combo".

 

Yeah, the 780 chipset looks very promising for integrated.

 

Besides, Intel's GMA series have always sucked... delivering really poor 3D performance in gaming.

In other words, I don't believe any miracle is gonna happen transforming it into a descent vga... that's almost the same as expecting that the next Via's processor would beat a Core 2 duo !!! Hehehhe....

Or even that AMD would beat it... ( Barcelona, why did you have to suck???) Hahahahaha...

 

I don't think hes after good gaming performance, but the best battery life but with enough power to run windows without problems

 

Why would you get a T9400? The M1330 is likely going to be replaced with a new model since Montevina platform makes motherboards smaller and the new processors use a new socket. The T9400 is not worth it, it is just a high performance cpu for Santa Rosa laptops. And it might not be offered on the new system, since the P series processors offer power and battery life over the T series ( especially the P9500 with 2.53GHz and only 25w power usage!)

As for the X4500, there are four versions, and all will likely perform better and produce more battery life than the X3100.

 

ClockedRodent, you are absoutly right... I'm not a gamer but I need a computer that's going to last through some vigorous tasks on the processor and hard drive. I am looking to get the best processing power for my buck since I can't upgrade it and for video I'm looking for the best battery life without sacrificing everyday performance.

As for the P9500, if I'm not mistaken that is a lower voltage CPU? Wont that mean less performance? That's something I can't accept.

Thank you all for your opinions...and as far as an AMD chipset goes...that all sounds fine and dandy but #1, when are they coming out and most importantly, #2, am I going to get it in a laptop whose form factor and other features I like (like the m1330).

 

No, the P9500 (2.5GHz 45nm) is a cpu for normal size laptops (12" and up), but unlike the T9500 but uses 10 watts less power. That is why it is a better choice, same performance but with way less power usage.

P9500 (2.53 GHz, 25w)>T9500 (2.53 GHz, 35w)
P8600 (2.4GHz, 25w)>T8300 (2.4GHz, 35w)
P8400 (2.13GHz, 25w)>T8100 (2.1GHz, 35w)

 

TDP is not power usage. TDP is not power usage. TDP is NOT power usage.

 

True but since almost all power in a chip is converted to heat, having a lower TDP would point to it having a lower power consumption level as well. So his reasoning and recommendation are correct even if his interpretation of the specs is wrong.

 

Fixed. Happy?

 

Wow, so is this a terrible time to buy a notebook? I just ordered an HP dv6700t SE with the $500 coupon yesterday with the T9300.

 

Yes, because we're in between transitions of video cards and processors. So in like 4 months, something new will be out

 

wow thank you guys!

Soooo P9500 with x4500 13.3" Dell here I come!!!!!!! hahaha

(Oh yea maybe I'll toss in one of those new low power 320GB 7200 RPM 9mm laptop drives that I heard just came out, ohhh am i excited!)----link for anyone interested ( http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/24/fujitsu-announces-worlds-first-2-5-inch-320gb-disk-to-spin-at/)

All this and bluetooth tethering with my mogul on evdo rev a, oooooo man. I better get back to work now so I can afford this laptop when it comes out.

 

Something "new" will be out every 4 months!

I am anxiously awaiting both the 780M and the X4500...
I want a new laptop for primarily watching movies (stream and download, and maybe Blu-Ray) and only light gaming!

These two solutions should be perfect for me!

 

I heard that the X4500 is going to have its own processor, making it more like dedicated graphics and less like today's integrated graphics. Is there any truth to that?

 

Huh?? You are totally confused here and you are starting to confuse me .

The only thing that differentiated previous Intel graphics and dedicated graphics was hardware Transform & Lighting and Vertex Shaders. Now the X3000/X3100 have that and so will the X4500. The reason X3000 and X3100 is slow is because the T&L and the VS is very poor compared to discrete graphics.

The Intel IGP with any form of "processor" will be the one coming on Nehalem, the next generation CPU. It means that the IGP will now be integrated on the CPU rather than being on a seperate chipset like now. That IGP is after the X4500.

 

The X4500 performance for desktop is pretty good, dont know why going for the 780 chipset amd route just for a better integrated graphic card since intel dominates the laptop CPU segment. And X4500 is almost as fast as 8400G under futuremark 3dmark and it beats 8400 G in some games segments. It is good for battery life and it has hardware video accelerator vs NVIDIA that does not have VC1 encoding hardware. X4500 is a winner in every way.

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=280004

 

Well HD3200 is average 200% faster than X4500 with a much slower cpu, it is the difference between playable and slo-motion

HD3200 got 31fps in WIC from that site too, totall owned X4500 which got 15fps
http://www.notebookjournal.de/praxis/81/2

let alone with Hybrid Crossfire that give more boost to gfx power

 

The CPU isnt terribly slower...

 

Is it just me but I see the site using HD3400 and not HD3200.

 

Here is also the same website but they have the X4500 VS 8400M G, X4500 lose to 8400M G under FutureMark but wins in the light 3d games

http://www.notebookjournal.de/praxis/78/2
If you are concern about 3D accelerator speed, then you wouldn't even bother with any of the integrated graphic card. Sure the HD 3200 is faster but it doesn't give you a lot more option on gaming.