6860fx, need new cpu suggestions.

Hey guys I was set on buying a t9300 but was outbid at the very LAST second. I am now considering buying an extreme cpu, any suggests as to whether I should get the t9300, x7800, x7900 or x9000. I do play lots of games but I also would be interested in knowing if there are any heat issues(if its a little warm thats ok but as far as dangerously warm I'd like to know) and what type of battery life differences I could expect. Thank you guys. As always rep will be given to those I find helpful.

 

x7800 ftw read more here

 

The t9300 uses 35 watts compared to the x7900, x7800, and x9000 using 44 watts. But, I'd say the x9000 is the best bet, with the lowest voltage, highest speed tied with the x7900, more L2 cache, its newer so more transistors, etc. and you will get better performance. Also, take in consideration the price of each CPU as well as your budget. You also don't want an x900 if your GPU is only an 8800gts. Your cpu will be way ahead of it, while the GPU will be lagging. The x9000 could provide rendering instructions for 100 frames while your GPU can only do 75 at a time. Just a thought. If you can upgrade your GPU to maybe an 8800gtx or 9800gtx, or something similar, then you actually may want to stray from the x9000, and maybe even the extreme processors, period.

 

thanks guys, any other opinions?

 

ok I found a couple processors i'm interested in. Its a $90 difference between the x7800 and the x9000(both ES), which should I go with? (please provide some support for your opinion) Also for $20 less than the x7800 I can get a t9300, which is also an ES.

 

Are you looking for the best performance in benchmarks regardless of heat or battery life OR plenty of performance, lower heat, and improved battery life? I think that's your choices between an C2D extreme and a C2D.

I'm totally tempted to pick up a C2D extreme. The reality is that the T9300 would allow me to get the best gaming performance out of the graphics card I have. It would help balance some of the weaknesses of the stock system (short battery life, heat). It's a smart choice.

Honestly though, anything is much better than the stock processor so it's just about impossible to make a bad choice.

 

Ok, so right now I see it as the t9300 being my best bet? Should I just get a brandy new one from newegg or risk an ES?

 

What's the price at Newegg? I've purchased my last computer build from NewBiiz.com (ewiz) and they beat the prices that Newegg had. So I usually price parts from both places.

The T9300 is $307.99 with free shipping from them:

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=T9300

 

Wow thanks WarlordOne you just saved me $40 between my cpu and hdd! I'd rep you but apparently I've given too much for today. Thanks again!!!

 

If you want extreme go for x9000. I mostly play games with my p6860 and got a t9300. Look for deals on ebay (got mine for $250 oem). I've seen temps go as low as 24c. Boosts of performance in all games were seen. A worthy upgrade if you ask me.

 

actually i agree that t9300 is the best buy for this notebook, t8300 the best value and the x7800 is the most bang for the buck (es under 270) but for the price of heat.

 

yep what he said.

 

ahh and x9000 for your signature and feel cool factor, i wish i had one

 

NP, rep not needed. I've been pricing cpu's for the last few days so I have a pretty good idea of what's a fair price. Which hdd are you looking at getting? Because I know of where you get a second stock WD3200bevt for $82.50 or $69.99 as an openbox recertified. Thinking about RAID

 

Well there is always that.

Plus membership into the cool kids club with the x7800 and x9000

(The cool kids club is prejudiced against the x7900 cpu so its not allowed in)

 

Thanks for all the input.... ugh I hate decisions. So I'm basically between the x7800(ES) and the t9300(OEM), including shipping and all it will be $305.98 for the x7800 and $307.99 for the t9300... basically the same price. Can I get some battery life estimations from some of you guys that have these processors, also considering if I get the x7800 I will be undervolting(maybe OCing to 3.0). Thanks again.

EDIT: By the way I'm looking for a twin 320gb 5400rpm WD scorpio, RAID is where it's at!

 

Yeah, you're looking for that wd3200bevt. Here's my link:

http://www.compuplus.com/search.php?terms=wd3200bevt&sid=ffx892mb038tb1j&x=0&y=0

I don't know what shipping would be for you. Let me know if you find it cheaper since I'm still looking for one, too.

 

battery life is roughly 3 hours with this T9300 i've got. lcd brightness down, wifi off, also gpu powering 2 different screens (i forgot it was plugged in) the processor itself has been undervolted to run at the SLFM speed while on battery (600mhz) so that does help a bit. and i'm also running RAID 0.

 

Thank you diablo. Anyone with an x7800 or x9000 care to weigh-in with a similar post?

 

why dont you get a retail X7800 for 279.99? thats how much mine was, worked out to 308 CAD shipped.

here is the link

dont be afriad of that fact it is from Hong Kong, it shipped from there to Canada in 5 days, and there was a holiday in between there too. Honestly for that price go for this or the T9300, cause there is no point to go any higher if you ask me.

 

Thanks nars, can you give me an estimate of what type of battery life you get with yours?

 

If i have everything on battery saving mode, i can get about 2hours 50mins

 

with the x9000 i get about 2h to 2h 15m with powersaving mode on (but LCD brighness about 3 clicks from minimum)

Even undervolted and underclocked i dont think it would be possible for me to get 3 hours out of my battery (that would be sweet though)

If your wanting top notch preformance and great battery life then i would suggest the t9300. It really is a great CPU, low power and amazing clock. Undervolted its also the coolest running CPU there is for these machines (i think alot of people are getting under 30 degrees idle)

Theres nothing like stepping up to the extreme CPU's and running 2.8-3.0 gHz, but honestly unless you need it (or just really want it) theres no reason to have them. With the t9300 your CPU will probably never bottle neck your computer unless your doing some hard core rendering or some such.

So basically your choice comes down to
Great Preformance + Best Battery Life + Best Temps = t9300
or
Best Preformance + Good Battery Life + Good Temps = X series

 

Alright, I think I'm gonna get the x7800 as nars linked me to, I had looked at it previously but for some reason I made a mental note of it being ES now that I realize it isn't ES I'm gonna buy it, any nay-sayers?

 

I really liked the x7900 - I got mine for $400 shipped about six months ago.

http://notebookcritic.com/2008/04/29/updated-gateway-p-6831fx-benchmarks/

It made the exhaust a lot hotter but nothing serious.

 

nay nay nay

Actually i'm all for the purchase, but i so rarely get to use the word "nay" in day to day conversation i figured i would try it out a few times

nay nay

nay

I kinda like it

 

I must be clicking the wrong link because the description clearly shows that they're selling ES processors.

 

Warlord, cpu-z sees ES but all ES are supposed to be(legally) marked on the chip with ES, this does not have it so I believe its just a bug in CPUID software.

 

its a bug, it clearly says on my chip "SLA 6Z" not "ES"...in CPUZ it says ES though, so yes it is a bug for sure.

 

it is an es cpu, just its the same stepping as the retail x7800 making it identical chip, mine is the same. i love it !!! just dont expect running 24/7 @3.00ghz unless its a very cold winter.

 

You guys are probably right.

I'm just saying that the guy is selling these as engineering sample (ES) processors. Who am I to argue? He's the one selling them and hopefully he's not totally clueless.

I figure he'd know the difference between a $1,000 extreme processor and a $275 es one with unlocked multi's. Especially if he had to buy them for resale. I can't imagine anyone paying $800 or so per chip just to turn around an sell them for $275. Now on the other hand if these are unlocked ES processors that cost next to nothing then it would make sense how he could sell them for such a low price and still make a profit.

 

or you know the fact everything in the world is made in china and if you knwo someone im sure you could get somehting super cheap, IE how much it actually costs to make one of these chips which I guarentee is no where near even $200.

 

this is going to sound really ignorant

but what is the 3dmark difference score between a x7800 oced to 2.8, and a t9300?

Im totally thinking of just getting a t8300 I dont really see the reason to spend more yet.

 

It doesnt sound bad at all.

As to the answer not much, a few hundred points (2.5 vs 2.8 really isnt that huge of a difference)

I think with the right set up you can get high 9000's with the t9300.

But yeah if you want a good boost to your CPu for a really low cost the t8300 is about the best deal (i saw one go for like 105 the other day)

The t8300/t9300 is pretty much the sweet spot for CPU's. It will now never be the bottle neck of your system and will stay that way. Plus you will notice quite a zip in your system after plugging around at 1.67gHz

 

Just because it's made in China doesn't make it cheap. Being fake makes it cheap.

 

Seriously?
How much would it cost to "fake" a C2D CPU? I mean with out it being just a green piece of plastic with a metal square on it.

Thats not something thats just going to show up in the bootleg market because they are easy to mass produce

 

LOL. We had a laugh at "fake" CPU remarks a while back. Usually the only "fake" cpus are people who relabel them as something else ie a t8300 rebadged as a t9300, etc.

And as far as heat/other stability problems, I have been running mine 24/7@3ghz, undervolted with absolutely no issues. The highest temp I've seen it reach doing anything else but stressing with Orthos is 66C. You're gonna be very pleased with the X7800, should you so choose to make the purchase. Don't let the letters E and S influence you in any way, as everyone is very happy with their ES CPUs.

 

Do you really not know?

It's pretty easy. Sell a T7800 ES CPU (which come with unlocked multipliers, btw) as an X7800 extreme. I imagine CPU-Z sees the unlocked multi's and assumes that it's a C2D, when it's not. Hence the bug. Since they're just about free and there are a crapload of them you can sell it at a good price, too. The funny thing is that the guy isn't even misrepresenting himself. He's saying outright that he's selling engineering samples!!!


I'm guessing those who bought these ES chips want to pretend that they have the genuine article and are taking offense. They work so really, who cares? It's a very affordable chip with an unlocked multiplyer, look on the bright side of things.

 

I already said this.

You'd be guessing wrong. Check around and see how many threads there are where those of us with ES CPU's happily supply the ES info and even recommend others to purchase said ES chips.

 

Then go back a couple pages and correct the guy who's saying these are retail original chips and not engineering samples. And in the future, try to resist calling people wrong, especially when you don't have your facts straight. Because me being wrong doesn't make you right.

 

A think your calling me stupid? I can take a picture of my chip if you want, it clearly says X7800 on it, not T, I think im quite fluent in english so im not mistaking an X for a T.

You cannot "bootleg" a chip, it doesnt work that way.

 

If I wanted to call you stupid I'd just say it. The words I used were perfect so stop trying to make it into a personal attack.

As for what you can't do, you can't make something it's not. You can pretend, rationalize, and live in denial, but it is what it is.

 

benefits:

t9300 can run 95 percent off one core using that intel fancy smancy stuff, which is why it's temps can drop so low. along with being able to drop to a low 19c to 22c's under the right conditions.

x9000 will not shut down one core. (speculation of course) but can be over clocked up to 3.5 in the right machine. heat isn't that much of an issue. even under gaming your under 80c's but if you take extra steps, you can get it to stay around 70c's.

it's all in what you know...... and everything is base on your preference. ideas are thrown around daily, but you wont know till you jump in and start testing.

and i do have both chips now.

and my es x9000 is the last stepping before retail. has no es marked on chip, but shows up in cpu-z. the guy siad it wasn't an ES, but cpuz says different. so with that...im gonna have to say it's an ES. why? because you cant buy a retail x9000 for under 650 right now. and that's if you can find one.

 

man were talking about CPU's i dont need a life lesson from Father Warlord One

no really, ill take a pic and show you, im not offended, you cannot just rebrand a chip. It clearly says that I can see, but when I purchased mine that was not on the site( the ES) part, which may or may not be true. But what you were saying before about them rebranded may or not be true, but I do not believe so with this chip. It says on the chip, and in CPU Z and every other CPU id program it is an X7800.

Now if it is the last revision before retail, as johnkss said, it is on the fence. It is not physically an ES but it may be internally. It is is a hybrid of ES and retail. So a "retail sample"?

 

When i went to buy mine i noticed those. They are the QS or CO versions. Quality samples that are prerelease retail chips that go to some "actual" testors to quality control.

It would have cost me an extra 70 to get one of those and seeing as its the same chip i decided agaisnt it

 

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that johnkiss. Nothing. I'd be perfectly happy with an ES x9000. I'm pretty sure I'd be ecstatic.

Anyway, you're realistic, rational, and honest. I applaude you for it.

 

Dude you're trying to make this personal again. I'm stating facts and trying to protect the OP from misinformation. You are arguing your ego here. Don't waste your time trying to prove anything, there's no point. Your honor's not on the line and it's way OT anyway.

Seriously, what do you want to hear? You have no basis for your argument other than what you say, even against what the seller clearly states. You can't rebutt anything I posted. And now you're trying to dismiss my input by attacking me personally. I appreciate that you're involved in this post but I don't see how you're trying to help anyone but yourself here.

 

Ok so is it really worth it to buy a x7800? to get a few hundred 3dmark scores and have it be hot and overclocked? No right? The owners of the x9000 and x7800 are just enthusiasts right? Maybe desktop owners who like to fart around

 

LOL! Are you trying to be witty? In the future, try to resist until you learn how to do so without looking ignorant.

You may also wanna try to resist making asinine blanket statements based off one individuals situation. Doing so would greatly improve your image and generally keep you from looking like a tool as much.

Now run along and quit trying to cause trouble. Your existence in this thread is in no way beneficial.

 

Honestly no... I would like to say there was a sane reason I bought the x9000, but the simple fact is that I just wanted it. The t9300 would have probably done everything I could have ever asked of it (the t8300 more than likely could have as well, and cheaper to boot)

There is no function "normal" people do that cant be handled by the t8300/t9300. Unless you work on heavy rendering or something like that, and then its not going to give you some massive massive gain (your only talking about 300-500 mHz difference really)