8800m GTS to 8800m GTX?

No worries there, i know i got a great deal on a laptop. For the the 1800ish i've paid for this rig, i'm still very impressed by what it can do, and i've never been saddened by my purchase.

But as for the upgradeability issue...it "should" be alot easier than it is. No one got on the train, so we're stuck not getting anything on our end. Even if you only get a generation or two out of the upgrade its still pretty much worth it though. I would love to be able to pop a 9800gts or gt in this box and get another year at almost top of the line graphics.

Plus i wonder how many of them "actually" know they can upgrade. Non-upgradeable GPU's on a laptop have pretty much been the Law of Gravity in the notebook world for so long most people probably dont care to ask the question anymore

I know something like the GTX 280m wouldnt work but still it would save the purchase of a whole new laptop (with all the fun that comes from setting one up) Usually the GPU becomes the bottle neck LONG before the CPU and other internals of a laptop do.

But instead of at least a single generational upgrade we're stuck with having to buy a new laptop to try to half way keep up. Again no worries from me because its going to be 12-18 months at least before i will actually "need' a new laptop (maybe more, according to what comes out that the 8800gts cant handle)

 

check it out.


put the same amount into your clevo as your gateway ( or dell or whatever the best gamin notebook is in 2 years)

lets say 3500.

In two years you either have one old *** clevo with a 9800 gtx

or one old *** gateway with a 8800 gts AND one brand new 8 core 1 tb hd, 12 gb ram double blue ray writer laptop with an nvidia 11800 gts ( or whatever 2 years nvidia card is going to be called)
With an LED XWUXGA screen



if they sold the 9800 gtx for 750$ for my gateway, like they sell for a clevo i wouldnt buy it. I bought my whole computer for 800$

full retail is 1500$ which will get you a cpu and a screen and a hard drive to go with your graphics card purchase.

id actually buy a whole other 7811 fx first and then have two computers to mess around with. seems like a WAY better deal to me.

 

I completely see what your saying. And yes for the 3000-4000 spent for a top of the line flextronics or clevo based system, you could get ALOT of less powerful notebooks that will preform good enough. (of the levels that ours puts out)

I'm mostly harping on the MXM connector. It was supposed to make laptop GPS's become available on the market, so the 700 dollar GPU would be a dinosaur. nVidia (and i assume ATI) would have made their money through the other companies that sell the cards and the price would drop alot faster than relying on Sager to "bless" us with a lower priced card.

Even a single generation upgrade would make it worth it IMO.

6860 = 1250
x9000 = 384
2nd hard drive = 120
And in a year when the 8800gts is just a little weak for what i need i could upgrade to the 9800gt (now a second or third tier card) for say 200 more and get another year out of the system (probably)

So 2 to 3 years of preformance that I need (as i dont need top of the line) its a lot safer investment than having to jump from 6860-FX to 7811-FX to 9999-FX to error doesnt compute-FX

It would be alot easier to upgrade when you could go to TigerDirect or some other parts houses and just order one instead of begging one from the OEM/ODM and getting rectally violated in the process.

So yeah i totally agree with you, i'm just harping on a single issue with in the greater whole i guess

 

now if everyone did this (waited for the price to drop to 900)...your computer would still be 1399.00. 6831 are discontinued and 6860 aren't to far behind, now that they have the 1066 platform. and even though the 6831 is discontinued, it wont be that far out dated because you can still upgrade the cpu/memory & hdd's very easy. people who are up on the latest products are the main people who care if it's outdated or not. the average user is just happy it works. now if you would have got that computer for 800 bucks on day one, then that would be something. i can get the same comp for about 600, but then...that's now and not when it first came out.

and on another note...6860fx for sale! time for me to upgrade. *LOL*

 

but you totally ignored: built quality, screen quality (important for entertainments) and customer services. IMO your example is quite unfair, why not a $2000-$2500 clevo? that what most of us paid for.

 

if you spent 2500 on your clevo

and 750 to upgrade the single gpu or I think its 1200 to upgrade sli gpus lol.

you spent 3250.


That is MORE than people who spent 1500 on a 7811 fx, and in two years will spend on whatever is like a 7811 fx THEN.

It will have a much better gpu, hard drive, cpu and screen that your clevo.

So you will have a nice built dinosaur and I will have a plastic cased gateway in two years that can play fallout 4. For the same amount of money.

What is unfair about this example? Youre not going to upgrade your clevo anyway but if you did that was the dollar investment you tried to make.

You just basically spent 2500$ for a computer marginally better than the one i bought for 800. Much nicer built absolutely. Nicer screen too. But you lose on the money well spent front I dont even hear you.

 

You are all wrong. After getting the p6860 I realized gaming laptops are a waste of $$$. For 1500 I got a machine with a 9600gt and e8200. I think a gaming desktop and reasonably priced !portable! laptop might be a better idea. Unless you live for portable gaming that is.

 

I unfortunatly live for portable gaming. My wife is the desktop person of the family. But she has the option to sit at it for long periods of time.

My job takes me from one end of the globe to another (for 2-8 weeks at a time) so having something portable is a must because i cant justify lugging a desktop with me ANYWHERE i go.

I know i pay more money for what amounts to inferior tech when it comes to the laptop vs desktop battle, but hey... i'm mobile and i get pretty freaking good preformance.
With the 6860 i have i know alot of peoples desktops that i can smoke pretty easily in gaming, so thats alot of bragging rights

 

I used to be a 100% desktop and anti-laptop kind of guy, but we decided we would be moving and a laptop suited me and my wife a whole lot better in the long run, so I decided to get a decent laptop... and hey, it's pretty fast I think. I paid $800 for the laptop and got a T9300... I think it would have been about the same price, maybe a tad bit cheaper to get a comparable desktop, but I'm happy with my purchase.

I have been swayed to the laptop side! There's something about being able to play a game or watch a movie anywhere in your house

 

I said the example was unfair because you are comparing the older model (5793) to newer model (7811), they have different price points, you should have compared 7811 to 5796.

here's why i got from xoticPC of 5796 with similar spec as 7811:

WUXGA, 2.26ghz, 4GB RAM, 250GB HDD, wifi, bluetooth, vista home 64bit, for $2112.

$1992 - ($1449.99 + 8.38% tax) = $532.11

assuming both 7811 and 5796 will be use for 2 years, So for $532 different, with $22 extra each month you got better external finish (material used), better keyboard, better mousepad, better screen (very important I do photoshop a lot, and to most gamer as well), faster GPU, more solid bone structure, Creative Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio, a laptop carry case, fingerprint reader, 2 MP camera and 2 years extra labor. although 7811 has dual HDD ability, but for $22 extra per month for 5796? I think it is well worth. Oh, and I never seen any 579x owners complained their product DOA, or any sort of problems upon their arrival.



ps. just for side notes, maybe you should check the actual price tag next time instead of just guessing? because they seems pretty inaccurate.

 

bottom line...it's all in how much you can afford at the time of purchase.
and any explaining or reasoning there after is a matter of preference...*LOL*

the gateway is just getting into the gaming area of things and have made a very decent dent in getting other companies to rethink pricing. are they top of the line?...no. are they better than the average or better than average laptop? yes. best bang for the buck? yes. if you are into midrange. will the 7811 surpass the 5796? no. no way possible. would i buy either one? yes. but for different reasons. and not to bash one because i chose not to spend the money to buy it.....

 

johnksss you are absolutely right, I am totally agreed with you. I wasn't trying to say 5796 would be a better choice for everyone. and no doubt, 7811 has better performance/buck ratio. but what stamar said was way too bias.

 

yeah, i wasn't trying to bash anyone, but facts are facts. hopefully it was just a number mistake on his part.

 

oh lol.

I dont know that you could make quite the same set up on a 5796 as a 7811 fx for 1900 even if you bought the parts yourself...

i guess ud have to put in vista ultimate in the mix. whatever the actual price is i dont know it probably is near 2500.

The gpu upgrade probably is 750. It probably is around twice the price to upgrade the gpu and buy the machine.
Its probably more than twice it might be less. Its definitely around twice the price.
Im not going to to look it up for anyone though I dont actually have that kind of time it is correct.

 

I am not sure what are you talking about here. It's $2112 for everything straight from xoticPC, no aftermarket parts needed.

Since we are comparing price tags for same setup, why would you put ultimate on 5796 while 7811 is using home premium? to make 7811 looks cheaper? how about someone put the military OS on 7811 and make it cost half million? your point does not stand at all.

Do you have any source? No
Is it just your speculation? Yes
But let's assuming it does cost $750 to upgrade to GT200 series, and how much would 7811 cost to do the same? probably $100000. why? because you will need your own expert team and production line to do it. Again I don't understand why you kept telling people that 5796 cost so much to upgrade and 7811 owner can just buy a new one. How do you even know the next FX would cost $1500 like you previously said? Are you the CEO of Gateway? How about the other way around, 5696 users buy a new machine 2 years later for $2100 and 7811 user pay $100000 for their custom GT200 cards?
The simple fact is, 5796 only cost $532.11 more. If you have a high budget, go for 5796; Otherwise, 7811. End of story.

 

main part missing in this whole story which is probably a big part in price difference....the gpu....

7811 stock comes with a 9800m gts= 64 shaders
5796 stock comes with a 9800m gt= 96 shaders

5796 stock
Chassis Color: Orange Trim
- Display: 17" Wide Viewing Angles WUXGA LCD with Super Glossy Surface (1920 x 1200)[+$95.00]
- Processor: 45nm Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor P8400 / 3MB L2 Cache, 2.26GHz, 1066MHz FSB
- Video & Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce 9800M GT Graphics with 512MB DDR3 Video Memory
- Operating System: Genuine MS Windows® VISTA Home Premium 32/64-Bit Edition
- Memory: 2GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 2 X 1024MB
- Primary Hard Disk Drive: 160GB 5400rpm SATA 150 Hard Drive
- Optical Drive: 8X DVD±R/RW/4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Software
- Wireless Network Card: Intel Wi-Fi Link 5300AGN - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
- Bluetooth: Internal Bluetooth V2.0 + EDR Module
- Primary Battery: Smart Li-ION Battery Pack
- Integrated Security Device: Fingerprint Reader
- Microsoft Office: Microsoft Office Ready with Free 60-Day Trial
- Warranty: Sager 1 Year Limited Parts and Labor Warranty with Three-Day Shipping Both Ways Paid
- Carrying Bag: Standard Carrying Bag
price:$2,044.00


7811 stock - on sale for (200.00 bucks off right now)
#
Warranty Terms - Parts
1 year
#
Warranty Terms - Labor
1 year
#
Product Height
1.7"
#
Product Width
15.75"
#
Product Weight
9.2 lbs.
#
Product Depth
11.75"
#
Processor Brand
Intel�
#
Processor Platform
Intel� Centrino� 2
#
Processor
Intel� Core(TM)2 Duo
#
Processor Speed
2.26GHz
#
Display Type
WUXGA TFT widescreen (1920 x 1200)
#
Screen Size
17"
#
System Bus
1066MHz
#
Cache Memory
3MB on die level 2
#
System Memory (RAM)
4GB
#
Type of Memory (RAM)
PC-6400 DDR3
#
Hard Drive Type
Serial ATA (7200 rpm)
#
Hard Drive Size
200GB
#
Optical Drive
Double-layer DVD±RW/CD-RW
#
Optical Drive Speeds
2.4x DVD+R DL; 2x DVD-R DL; 8x8x8 DVD+RW; 8x6x8 DVD-RW; 5x DVD-RAM; 24x16x24 CD-RW
#
Direct-Disc Labeling
Yes
#
Digital Media Reader or Slots
Yes, digital media card reader
#
Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTS
#
Video Memory
512MB GDDR3
#
Personal Video Recorder (PVR)
No
#
TV Tuner
No
#
MPEG
No
#
Built-in Webcam
Yes
#
Modem
56 Kbps*
*Capable of receiving 56 Kbps downloads. However, current regulations limit download speed to 53 Kbps.
#
Networking
Built-in 10/100/1000 Ethernet LAN (RJ-45-port)
#
Wireless Networking
Built-in Intel® Wireless Wi-Fi Link (802.11a/b/g/n)
#
S-Video Outputs
None
#
Additional Audio/Video Connectors
HDMI
#
Audio
High-definition (2-channel)
#
Speakers
Built-in stereo speakers
#
PCMCIA Slots
1 ExpressCard/54
#
USB 2.0 Ports
3
#
IEEE 1394 FireWire Ports
1
#
Parallel Ports
None
#
Serial Ports
None
#
Game Ports
None
#
Laptop Weight
Standard (more than 5.5 lbs.)
#
Battery Type
Lithium-ion
#
Pointing Device
Synaptics touchpad with vertical scroll
#
Operating System
Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit with SP1

price: $1,449.99
$1,249.99


so for roughly under 500 bucks, you get:
extra hdd bay

7811
or you can take the extra 500 and buy an extra drive and extreme cpu
raid 0/1

5796
no raid/1 drive bay
dvi out
2.0 cam
bluetooth
options to upgrade gpu
tech support


and there we have it.

sorry, but i would just buy the base model from sager/clevo/xotic and get all the other parts myself... just like i did for the gateway. but in this case..i would get the 9800m gtx (112 shaders/1 gig ddr3/365.00) and buy the x9100 form ebay. just like all the other gatways owners did. (difference 715.00 bucks get you a retail chip & 450 or less gets you an es chip)

all this is just information and a price comparison for any interested, like me. *LOL*......

 

you gotta be careful with your word, or stamar is gonna think it's the difference between 5796 and 7811.

 

yeah...i was trying nivana.

now under his suggestions..of course, all this stuff will be out dated in the end. that was pretty much a given...

 

this post is close to incoherent.
The cost of buying two machines versus buying one machine and upgrading the processor is what I analyzed. I am fairly certain no one else was as confused as you were.

the 2nd machine will be much more powerful than a clevo with a gpu upgrade. REgardless of waht it costs.
I do believe it costs more than 750 because they want to charge you for installing it. Do you have a source that says otherwise?
Ill tell you what, I will provide no sources for you on your project to look up what it costs. If you want to take your time go ahead though.
Youre entirely missing the point. Where is money better spent?
Its way better spent spending less and getting a new machine sooner.

Believe me Ive analyzed this for a looong time

I dont really care what a clevo costs today. The price will vary. The formula though has been exactly the same for a few years.

I shopped a clevo a few times and the data didnt make sense to me.

Upgrading a gpu, doesnt make sense to 99% of clevo owners AFTER they buy the machine. But it matters a lot before they buy it they buy some of that blue sky.

Just doing my best to help shoppers who havent watched this market as much as I have no offense to anyone.

 

What's the topic of this post now? Because the title is misleading...

 

this post is close to incoherent.
The cost of buying two machines versus buying one machine and upgrading the gpu is what I analyzed. I am fairly certain no one else was as confused as you were.

If it is interesting to double check, not indexed for inflation go for it.

I estimated that it would cost twice the price of a 7811 fx to buy a clevo and upgrade the gpu. So everything youve written totally agrees with that right? And who gets the better deal, the person who bought the clevo and upgraded the processor or the person who bought the 7811 fx, and then bouhght the next model in a year or two?


I think the answer to that question is totally obvious. People can disagree I guess, some people think the world is flat.

the 2nd machine will be much more powerful than a clevo with a gpu upgrade. REgardless of waht it costs.
I do believe it costs more than 750 because they want to charge you for installing it. Do you have a source that says otherwise?
Ill tell you what, I will provide no sources for you on your project to look up what it costs. If you want to take your time go ahead though.
Youre entirely missing the point. Where is money better spent?
Its way better spent spending less and getting a new machine sooner.

Believe me Ive analyzed this for a looong time

 

no offense or anything, but....

that's either a personal opinion
or
you dont have the money for a top of the line model and passing it off on a lessor one. ( i have done that before) *LOL*


just like someone saying a yugo is better than a benz or a bmw or a porche, just because it cost less.


and the topic is still 8800m gts to 8800m gtx...which still ain't an option yet, because i have tried. would love to be proven wrong though!!!

 

Um

Ya well you are online.
No offense in anything. You are off on some tangent of comparing hardware or something whereas Im mostly talking consumer purchase information. Im an econ major. Your car comparison isnt going to fly with me as I study the car market extensively lol so im not going to go there.

The model that is marketed through this gateway, and the gpu that was marketed through the inspiron 9400 ( 7900 gs vs a 7900 gtx) is not going to be as good as the top line that will be marketed in an xps or alienware.
That is how they stick it to the upper middle class.

They market the top line gpu through expensive machines.


IF the price difference today is like 500-700$ and you get a better case and you get teh gtx vs the gts ( theres even 3 versions of top end laptop gpus now, brand new to the 9800 series) that sounds reasonable. Not a waste. Not a smart purchase either but who is worried about the 500$?


I only went into all of this because a consumer who hasnt watched clevos for a while said i wish I could upgrade my gpu like a clevo owner.

But almost none of the clevo owners EVER do that. Its blue sky bs

Its still in general way smarter to buy this level of machine. For your money you will have a machine that plays games at a much higher frame rate. Youre just thinking about today, but after I buy my next gateway and you have your clevo with a gtx, whereas i have a gpu and cpu that is marketed as low high end in a year itll be no comparison.

 

So far no go from the nvidia side, but i'm still planning to take a trip to their local (well 200 mile away) offices to see if i can talk to people directly. More than likely it will be a wasted trip and i'll just take my wife further north to the mountains for a vacation... but maybe I can pull out some magic

 

1: we understand your on a budget, that's cool. lets not make it anything other than that.
2: this is a 8800m gts to 8800m gtx thread
3: i already pointed out the difference(looked it up and posted it), because you said it was beneath you, fine. it's done.
4: study car market doesn't make you a car buying expert. (that's an opinion and not a fact) and it was more for a visual aid. (no need to analyze this)

it's all a matter of preference...you have yours and everyone else has theirs. fine also.

just dont knock the man that wants to spend a little more on his purchase than you feel is justified. i agree with you on some of the things said, just not all. (posted up above)

 

yeah, they are all tight lipped over there. im talking to some one at evga where i got my gtx 280 from to see if they can find out anything... we shall see come tomorrow....

 

Lets all fight. I'll meet everyone in the parking lot after school.

 

ive got dancing lessons after school, how about at lunch?

and really stamar did u have to jab at the clevos. if u have the money get the clevo, if u dont get the gateway. Had I had the money I would have had a Clevo no question.

 

Tap or Belly?

 

belly, works my abs and the ladies love it

 

If you have a lot of money it doesnt really matter what the better deal is.

If I had a lot of money Id get that 9262 clevo actually. Who cares what it costs or whether its smart, Id get my 6 months of geek power time.

Sure

Id have a frazzetta painting on the lcd lid too.

 

hey you cant be frivilous with your money, i'd limit it to once every two years.

Even Bill Gates cant spend like he wants to. Or we'd have Island nations named after him and a death star orbiting above the microsoft office as Lord Vader himself force chokes us into buying windows 7

 

I was thinking more along the lines of Pole dancing

 

one thing leads to another

 

now your talking! i too would go for the 9262, but i still have to have at least one 9800m gtx card and 1920x1200 screen and the rest stock. *LOL* then do the upgrades at a better price than what was offered.

oh yeah.....no frazzetta painting for me....she just has to look clean!.

 

as johnksss said, every point of your posts are "what you think", not fact. and you said I am confused? LMAO. Why don't you think clevo users can simply buy a new rig after 2 years for $500 more than Gateway users so that they keep enjoying the top notch product quality and faster machines? If you think Clevo users should upgrade the GPU for $750 while they can spend extra $500 for a new machine, then I am truly sorry for your financial analysis because you choose to go for a harder way.

Again you are either dreaming or talking to yourself. Since you said you analyzed so much, do you know how much did 7950 GTX, 8800M GTX and 9800M GT cost when they first released?

 

but i have a 6860

[sniff] as least i have RAID...:cry:

 

oh ya i do believe somewhere along the line this particular thread realized that you cant turn your 8800 gts into a gtx.

So it turned to the thought of laptop gpu upgrade which actually is almost a totally dead concept.

the 8800 gts is a really powerful machine and I expect it to roll through fallout 4 really well.

It definitely kicks all *** on oblivion

Its at about the power I would expect to run all games decently for years.

There will be a change someday where 256 bit cards are the mid card but any games made will still have to function passably on them for years.

dx 10 will not even be the norm for games during the entire lifespan i own the computer so it wont be obsoleted by that.

 

Actually, I think us 6831/6860 users are making out pretty well.

 

This thread has gone on to the point where I think we've all forgotten the original topic . . . which as noted, cannot be done. Closing . . .