High 7805u gpu temps?

My temps seem quite high but Im not sure. After about 4 minutes into ati tool stress test my gpu temps reach 96C so I colsed the program. Now Im getting a little worried. BTW I posted this in the gaming section but I think I would get better answers here. So are these high? Im going to try crysis tomorrow aswell. Company of heroes reaches 75C and dow 2 reaches 88C. Burnout paradise doesnt pass 70C and TF2 goes no higher than 66C. Am I fine? I thought I was until I played DOW 2 and tried the stress tool in case now Im getting quite worried.

EDIT: Does opening it void the warranty?

 

Opening it doesnt void warranty but puting thermal grease will.But replacing ram and cpu wont void it.I would use medium settimgs in games less gpu stress.Lower yout cpu clock speed to.

 

@nm - erm, bad advice - My laptop has a VOID sticker attached to the heatsink, which runs across both my CPU and GPU. But no, opening the case won't void anything I don't think.

And lowering your CPU clock is just... well, not necessary.

OP, You may want to try under volting, which will lower your temps and power consumption without affecting performance, I think it was FlipFire that posted the guide that's sticked here.

My advice would be to consider undervolting, but mainly lay off the stresstester and get a laptop cooler (or make your own custom one).

Are you overclocking your GPU at the moment?

 

Those temps are a tad high. Putting thermal compound onto you GPU will void your warranty, but not the cpu. I'd test with different drivers and find which ones work best for you. Open the main compartment up and blow the area out with compressed air. A laptop cooler also might help. Make sure you have it propped up and nothing is obstructing the vents.

 

He's having high GPU (not cpu) temps.

 

I know, I just thought I'd bring it up, since I don't know how much they'd affect one another if they were attached to a common heatsink.

 

There are two seperate heatsinks for the 7805-u.

 

Ahk, my bad.

 

Have you had any lockups when playing a demanding game for an extended time? If not, you may be getting false readings from your GPU sensors.

 

This is also a good point to bring up, usually your computer decides what temperatures are really dangerous.

 

Dude - I have no idea why people are beating around the bush at all.

If you have temps anywhere close to 90+ celsius on your GPU, there is something wrong unless you had it on a blanket or rug.

With it laying flat on a hard surface (like a table) and under full stress, you should see 80 celsius tops.

 

Jumping to the worst scenario isn't the best idea either. You might as well test it and see if it really is borked before returning the thing.

 

When you pay $1200 for something and it doesn't work right out of the box - you return it.

Sorry. If you want to dilly dally about and see if you can fix it, waste your time, etc... go ahead. For that amount of money, you return it asap and get one that works out of the box and let someone else deal with figuring it out.

 

pics of something lol I dunno what it is(thinks its the CPU). http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/...6m_dd88801.jpg

And heres what I did, http://img18.picoodle.com/img/img18/...9m_2f885b1.jpg

My post in the gaming section:
With the fan on, dow 2 doesnt pass 70, and with the fan off 74(might go a little higher). Its lifted around 4 inches but the laptop feels really unstable on those lego blocks, I also shot compressed air when I opened it and last night at the fans. Anyway, if someone could suggest an alternative that would be a little bit easier, that would be great. BTW the laptop was on cardboard before but lift 0.9 inches off of it, could it be that the cardboard was taking up the heat and throwing it back? On Ati tool stress test my gpu was at 90 after 10 minutes. Is that good? And crysis is almost done downloading, I will be testing that soon.

 

I'm sorry, but that is exactly the reason why companies go into debt. The machine IS working, and hasn't had any substantial problems. I understand, he spent $1,200, but I hate to say an overused cliche; don't try and fix something, if it doesn't need to be fixed.

FYI - the pictures don't load; I get 404 errors.

I have two questions for you:

1. Does your machine ever lockup or freeze during gameplay?
2. What drivers are you currently using?

Here's my little story:

90*C while running ATi tool isn't any different for me. I just assume that the "stress test" is actually stressing the GPU. My P-7811FX has always had a hot GPU, since the day I purchased it. Some games maxed out at 63*C, some at 92*C. I never discovered a trend in these heat spikes, because I would play CoD 4, and my GPU would never exceed 70*C. Older games, such as CS:S, would hit 92*C! The game never locked up, so I assumed it was a bad sensor, or not problem at all. Turns out when I played games such as RA3, WoW, and L4D, my GPU would hit around 65-75*C, and my computer would lockup.

I raised my notebook to increase airflow, and it helped prevent the lockups, but didn't stop them altogether. I then updated my nVidia drivers to nVidia's official, latest drivers, and have never had a lockup since. I don't know why it happened to be the drivers, but I still get high temperature readings, but no lockups.

 

I posted this in the gamin section:

Ive been running several tests, I taped a thermometer to the vent where the hot air from my GPU comes out and checked the Idle temps on both the thermometer and HWmonitor and then I did the same thing for crysis demo and here were the results:

GPU: 49C(HWMonitor)
GPU: 26.2C(Thermometer)

Difference: 23.8C

GPU on Crysis: 92C(HWMonitor)
GPU on Crysis: 37.8C(Thermometer)

Difference: 54.2C

Does this seem accurate to you guys?

Here are some pics of how I did this:
http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/3/2/17/f_DSCN0390m_46c3f63.jpg

My temps 5 seconds after minimizing the game:
http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/3/2/17/f_DSCN0392m_bf10c3c.jpg

Close up of thermometer: http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/2/17/f_DSCN0393m_64185d8.jpg

 

I saw your thread, but it doesn't answer either of my questions:

1. Does your machine ever lockup or freeze during gameplay?
2. What drivers are you currently using?

 

Never locks up, and Im using the latest nvidia drivers. Something I find wierd though is that TF2 used to run at 66C and now it runs at 79C. That also leads me to believe I have broken sensors but I wish there was some tool I could use to find out

 

OK dude, I'm gonna be nice about this...

The temperature readout from your CPU and GPU measures core temperature - the temperature inside the chip.

...not the air vent...

If you were blowing 90C air out the side of your machine, your legs would burn lol...

 

Ok. So how can I find out if Im getting false readings? And what part of the laptop is supposed to be too hot to touch when it reaches those temps??? I am postive I read somewhere that it gets really hot and untouchable in a certain area when it reaches over 90c

 

It depends on the model.

To be completely honest, you're freaking out about nothing.

You can't find out if you're gettting false readings no-way no-how.

Just (no pun intended) CHILL OUT!

 

So, what do you suggest? And what do you mean, depends on the model? are there different models for the 7805 0_o. Also, Im not noticing any difference in heat from what I can feel between my old mobo(the current one is a replacement) and this mobo.

 

I mean that every model of laptop is built differently, and will therefore have different hotspots.

You wouldn't feel any difference because you're using the same model laptop.

 

So two of the exact same FX would have different heat spots?

 

Sorry, FX? (Definition please)

*EDIT* If you mean GFX card, then no, I mean models of laptops. Ie an ASUS M50 will be built differently, use different hardware, chassis etc to an M51 series, and so will have different "hotspots"*EDIT*

 

I just got 101C after 3 minutes in crysis.

 

101C on stock clock? you need to pull your laptop apart and check for thermal paste or something.

 

also at what settings were you running Crysis?

 

That's impossible. The threshold for the 9800GTS is about 100*C; your system would have locked up to prevent fatal damage to the GPU core. I really think you are fine, if you aren't experiencing major problems, then don't worry.

 

Do you have some sort of link or something I could read about this? I ran ATI tool and for 20 minutes of the test it was past 100, it went to 105 then back down slowly.

 

Who care why companies go into debt? We are consumers. If companies go into debt, its their own fault. That aside...

If he is getting 90+ temps on the sensors that the COMPANY PROVIDED. As such, this means 1 of 2 things and either thing completely warrants a replacement.

1) His sensors are wrong (almost certainly NOT the problem)
2) His GPU thermal solution is either not seated properly or installed properly or the card itself is just messed up (almost certainly the problem)

Do yourself a favor and stop trying to do other people's jobs - swap out the laptop and let the company open it up and try to fix it. It isn't your problem.

If you keep messing around, it will be too late and you'll be stuck with a $1200 heater.

If you want to take stuff apart to overclock, tweak, enhance, learn, optimize, etc... I'm all for it (I do it all the time). If I buy ANYTHING (no matter how much it costs) and I open it and anything is less than perfect... it gets returned for one that IS perfect.

*EDIT*
All of this is assuming he is running his laptop in "acceptable conditions" as outlined by the manufacturer. Play any game on a hard/flat surface like a dining room table or desk. If you get 90+ temps, replace it.

Let me ask you this:
Your laptop is getting 90-100+ temps playing a game that mine never gets above 75 playing.... and my GPU is overclocked, do you feel like you paid the same price for less?

Also, there are tons of issues (historically) with the G92 and G94 cores (this card uses the G94 core) and not surprisingly, it has to do with heat.

Absolute maximum heat before hardware shutdown/failure is like 108-117 celsius. However, repeated exposure of 75+ on the G92 or G94 is known to cause premature failure of the chip. Seeing as how this chip is soldered to the laptop's motherboard... I'd recommend swapping it out unless you want to have a paperweight in a year.

 

Do you have a link for this. I really want to ship it to gateway but they say if its not overheating there is nothing wrong with it.

 

The failure issue is mostly blog and or loosely reported, not substantiated by official document with spec's. Gateway unfortunately is correct. so long as it is operating within parameters and isn't officially overheating they do not have to replace it. If though being operated within normal conmstraints the heat causes performance issues then you do have a valid complaint as then the system is getting too hot to "perform as advertised" being a gaming laptop.

 

But this is taking away the life of my laptop, Im losing too much and the thermometers on it are broken, that should count as a defect shouldnt it?

 

Agreed it is one of the "Weaker" systems out there but if it is operating within design paramaters there is little you can do unless it dies. Again if the GPU is throttling you have a complaint on the "Trueth in Advertising" end.

As far as life, common sence tells you anything operating this close, this early, to design limits is on its way out. Gateway will not replace it though just on a "common sence" argument..............

 

And this is why you should have taken it to the place you purchased it within the first day or two of noticing this. Lots of people have had similar issues (and even less important issues) with their laptops and exchanged them at Best Buy with no problems.

Just tell them (Gateway) its too hot to be a "laptop". As in, you can't use it on your lap. Tell them you have a couple of friends with the same laptop and their laptop doesn't get anywhere near as hot. Ask for a manager. Just don't take no as an answer. This is pennies to them. They'll either fix it and refurb it or they'll use it for spare parts.

If it has been less than 2 weeks, I'd take it to Best Buy... hell, I'd take it to them anyway. The worst they can do is say "no". If someone is willing to swap something out for the exact same one, they are usually okay with it - especially if you demonstrate the problem with them and have them check the same thing on their model at the store.

 

The thermometers are not broken - I will almost guarantee this. Your GPU is either messed up or the cooling for it is not seated properly. Either way, its bad. If it were the thermometers, you could just use speedfan and add the delta and go about your merry way.

 

In the first 2 days I had a perfectly working laptop, for exactly 2 weeks, and since Im in canada and purchased this in the best buy in the US thats 3 hours away I didnt take the risk of going back there So I shipped it to gateway so they could fix it, but they replaced the motherboard with this one.

 

Just got the following e-mail from Nvidia:


My question: I seem to be getting high temperatures on my laptop, I am getting over 100C after 5 minutes of playing crysis and I just had this motherboard replaced and the old one(exactly the same) ran at 72C max with crysis. I just wanted to know what temp does my card need to reach before it shuts down and overheats? Ive been told that its 97C, is that true? Im just trying to figure out if Im getting false readings. The highest temps I got so far were 105C wile using a video card stressing utility called ati tool. Should I be concerned with this issue or should I let it pass?



NVIDIA's answer: Thank you for contacting NVIDIA Customer care.

This is Farzana and I will be assisting you with the query you have.

I understand from your email that you have an NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTS graphics card installed on your laptop with windows Vista operating system and you are experiencing issues with your laptop wherein, the laptop overheats very frequently.

Please be informed that the GPUs threshold is not a user-defined setting. Chip engineers have preset it. The normal temperature of the GPU is 65 degree C -70 degree C under load in a 72 degree F / 40 degree C environment. However, please note it may vary from one laptop manufacturer to another. Also, the issue that you are experiencing is not the normal behavior of the graphics card and such issue could occur either if the internal hardware is malfunctioning or, if adequate cooling is not provided or it could be because of the tool that you are using to monitor the GPU temperature.

Hence, for more accurate information, I would request you to contact the laptop manufacturer. You can also check with them about the safe temperature.

The reason why I am asking you to contact the laptop manufacturer is because the GPUs are custom made for the laptop make and model. For this reason, NVIDIA provides mobile GeForce GPUs (Graphics processing unit) to laptop and notebook manufacturers only. Since each notebook manufacturer creates different cards and packages using our chipsets, we recommend that you contact your notebook manufacturer for more specific information on video cards and the support they provide. For this reason, I would request you to kindly contact your laptop manufacturer to know the more accurate reason for the problem.

I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Please feel free to contact us for further clarifications.

Best regards,
Farzana,
NVIDIA Customer care



---Do you think if I show this e-mail to gateway they will take the laptop in?

 

you can send the email but essentially they are saying what you have already said, your previous norm was to see 72C. Again they will revert to it is up to each manufacturer and if they feel it is still operating with their criteria they will not replace it. If when playing Crisis the temp gets that high and the GPU throttels then you can fall back on the "Trueth in advertising" claim.

 

Um, I'd say that email basically states that the GPU is operating ABOVE expected temps and the manufacturer of the laptop has implemented something incorrectly.

Seriously man - call up Gateway and tell them you have a documented email from Nvidia support which clearly states the hardware is operating way outside of specs and that if they don't replace it, you'll have to resort to legal and/or BBB action.

 

I called up gateway and they said they would take it in for repair.

 

That's awesome news dude. Hopefully it won't take too long.