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    I just spoiled myself. T9800 and 2x250GB 7200.4's for my 7811FX.

    Discussion in 'Gateway and eMachines' started by rfvijn, Jul 31, 2009.

  1. rfvijn

    rfvijn Notebook Geek

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    Thing flies now (not that it didn't before :p).

    Got a great price on the T9800 too, only $250, NEW OEM.
     
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    Where did you get your processor?
     
  3. rfvijn

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    eBay. Shipped from the USA too.
     
  4. gamadaya

    gamadaya Notebook Evangelist

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    Nice. I just got a t9800 OEM too, but for $100 more. That is an an absolutely amazing price.
     
  5. wootage

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    Nice. If you really want to spoil yourself though, swap those hard drives for a single new-gen SSD. For around 200 bucks you get holycrapisthiseverfast speed. I pull down 180mb/sec sustained reads, and the instant random access makes an even more amazing difference - it's like every app I run comes up like it was just shut down a second ago.
     
  6. RangerXML

    RangerXML Army of None [TRH]

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    What no bluetooth and blu-ray? :p

    Thats awesome man, I still need to upgrade my CPU. Looks like again I'll be holding off with the work aiTa is doing to see if he can get quads working.
     
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    RangerXML Army of None [TRH]

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    EDIT: Double post.
     
  8. TheGOAT

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    I was looking at a T9800 from extremeprocessor, QS, for $360. didn't find any OEMs for less than $500. been watching for 2 weeks now, howd you guys find them for those prices on ebay?
     
  9. rfvijn

    rfvijn Notebook Geek

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    I've been camping ebay for awhile now. And pounced on it as soon as it showed up at that price. I also used Bing Cashback and got an additional 8% off :D.

    Also to those who asked, I already put Bluetooth and a complete ICD-7 overhaul a long time ago.

    As for the good news, my CPU is running cooler than the P8400 AND my hard driver transfer rate is at a 178.2MB/s average :eek: !
     
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    Hey when you do swap out your processor can you take pictures as a guide for people not as experienced with doing so. I plan on upgrading myself in the near future hopefully.
     
  11. TheGOAT

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    yea sure. be expecting it soon as I plan to buy the chip tonight. who knows when itll get here
     
  12. gamadaya

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    Swapping out is very easy. You really just drop the new one in. As for applying TIM, you could look at the ICD7 thread. It has good pics on the second page.

    My CPU is also running cooler now that I'm undervolting, but only under stress. I think part of that is the ICD that I put on. Idling, it's in the low
    30s. So a 10 degree increase, but still pretty good. Idle temps aren't really as important anyway.

    Oh yeah, I also feel like I got screwed on price. I didn't do horrible, an OEM for $350, but that's still $100 more than you rfvijn. I even saw someone got one for $210.

    Actually, what was the voltage on the p8400 for the lowest multiplier? I've got a feeling that I'm running hotter because my voltage might be higher on all but highest multiplier at this point.
     
  13. TheGOAT

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    was wondering if i should throw some ICD on the gpu while im in there as well? though that would require taking the whole thing apart.

    sure, Ill even throw in video for ya as well. so if i do epically fail somehow, everyone can know how close i came :D
     
  14. gamadaya

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    If it's still under warranty (which I think they all are), I'd leave it. Unless you're having problems with it, and even if you are, sending it in would be a better bet at this point. But if you're really good, then go for it. We have that awesome guide now.
     
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    Hey, race me. Here's my CrystalDiskMark scores on a 60gb OCZ Vertex.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Fuggin Notebook Enthusiast

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    This should help:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=382408
     
  17. AGlobalThreatsK

    AGlobalThreatsK Notebook Evangelist

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    Race you?

    [​IMG]

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    That test doesnt show the SSD's biggest advantage anyways (access time)

    Will be Vertex X 2 soon too :)
     
  18. wootage

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    Lol something's very weird with your results. I'd guess that it's reading your cache out of memory or something. Or did you accidentally select a RAMdisk for the test by mistake :p
     
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    Its a RAMdisk.
     
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    I posted this in another thread somewhere, but couldnt find it to link it here. I also have a video guide to changing out the processor posted on YouTube.

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    Remove the large cover from the bottom of the notebook. The cover is secured by way of six small black phillips head screws.

    [​IMG]

    The heat sink is secured over the CPU socket by 4 phillips head screws. CAREFULLY remove these as they are numbered 1-4 (You'll see the numbers stamped into the aluminum).

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    The far end of the copper heat sink is secured by a single spring loaded phillips head screw (Labeled #5). Loosen the screw completely without removing it from the bracket.

    [​IMG]

    CAREFULLY remove the heatsink by gently lifting straight up. Pay particular attention to the end with the fins, as it's pretty tight in there.

    After removing the heat sink, clean the processor with Arctic Clean.

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    Replace the generic thermal compound and thermal pad with the thermal compound of your choice (ICD7, which explains the generous application.)

    [​IMG]

    It would be a good idea to clean out the entire compartment, to include the fan and heat sink fins. Gently push the heat sink down into the compartment, and move it around slightly to spread the thermal compound (creating a bond). Replace the screws, starting with those around the CPU socket (Doing so diagonally to make sure the heat sink seats properly and the thermal compound spreads evenly). Replace the notebook cover, and test it out!
     
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    excellent. the X9100 should be here wednesday so ill be sure to come back to this.

    where can i find it?

    EDIT:also noticed you removed that pad from the NB chip thingy. was that necessary? there was no paste there before
     
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    Very nice picture guide Capper, very helpful. I wonder if the prices will drop once the holidays roll around.
     
  24. AGlobalThreatsK

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    Not a ramdisk, but yes the benchmark is essentially RAM. That is what my OS is installed in. :D

    Nothing weird about them at all, no mistakes :)
     
  25. wootage

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    Aww c'mon, I want to see how my Vertex fares against RAID, not RAM. Anything you can do to get a true benchmark from your RAID setup?
     
  26. AGlobalThreatsK

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    I don't have a RAID setup yet, I will soon but not yet. There's no point in benchmarking the drive itself since I never use it like that :)
     
  27. TheGOAT

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    so wait...how'd you get those ridiculous read/write speeds?
     
  28. AGlobalThreatsK

    AGlobalThreatsK Notebook Evangelist

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    My SSDs are locked with EWF. Also using custom xp, tweaked to hell, etc.

    It's a very advanced setup, not recommended for the majority of pc users.
     
  29. TheGOAT

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    I dont think we are the majority here. you wouldnt happen to have it all in an iso would you?
     
  30. AGlobalThreatsK

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    It's not that simple.

    It's not an iso, it's simply 1 driver, 1 application, 1 ntldr, and 3 .reg files. You have to change permissions in the registry before and after running the registry files.

    Installing EWF is the very easy part, however using a computer with EWF is the very difficult part.

    With EWF all of your changes you make will be wiped out upon restart/shut down. You have a 512mb write limit, if you exceed this in any way your pc will basically come to a stop and you will most likely lose anything that you were currently doing, and you will have to restart to empty the cache.

    You must change quite a bit to stop your temp cache from hitting the 512mb limit. Any kind of download bigger than 512mb (Even if made to another disk) will cause the computer to stop responding, since the download goes into cache before it is actually copied to the disk. You can always move these temp and cache locations, but then it defeats the purpose of using EWF, since you are not taking advantage of the speed.

    When I said majority, I meant 99.9% of pc users. Yes, even people that spend a pretty penny and do mods to their own hardware and software are included in the majority. People don't realize how many changes they make every day, how many things are being written in the background, and how much the OS will change when it is locked into an unchangeable state. As already stated this will put most users at a very high risk of data loss.

    I am unsure if EWF can be made to work with Vista, I heard rumors that some users were able to get it to work, however it was found that it does not work with 7 or server 2008, unless something has changed since that conclusion was made a few months ago.

    There is a lot of other software that is much more user friendly for storing things in cache and then committing to disk when either a certain size limit has been reached (It then commits as one single sequential write) or on demand when the user knows the drive is not being accessed.

    With EWF the committing process is very time consuming and extremely tedious. The process must be followed exactly otherwise using EWF will be rendered pointless. You must do your own R&D with the changes you are making, noting the exact process you are using to make the changes. When you have everything noted in exact order you must then restart the computer to ensure you're starting from the original platform. Then make the changes in the exact and proper order that you have noted for efficient results. Then you must clear out the history, temp, cache, recycle bin, and everything that will keep a history of the changes you made. You then commit the changes as one single sequential write. When the changes have been saved you must then Shut Down (You can't restart because the computer will save Restart as your last chosen option, and it will be stuck like that until you change it again). Then when you boot again, it will once again be locked (Provided you are using the correctly-written batch file to save).

    Thats the smallest nutshell I can fit it in.
     
  31. TheGOAT

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    sounds pretty interesting, at least the idea of having some software automatically take your cache to disk when you're done with it, and maybe something I'd do with a linux install. im sure that crowd has something similar.

    however, I can honestly say that I understand why 99.9% of people wouldn't want to use EWF the way you are. It seems rather counter-intuitive, a process that actually is more time consuming than the general alternative. can't wait to get an SSD now, already got a project on the list

    EDIT: also, what amount of this committing information to the disk requires code at the command line? and could you place some of these actions into a script that would then run for you? maybe create an interface that allows you to organize the entire process a little more easily

    EDIT 2: after a little research it seems this would be possible to do without an SSD, correct? you only need RAM to be the overlay, so in a way aren't you diminishing some of the benefits of using an SSD?
     
  32. AGlobalThreatsK

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    It would definitely be more time consuming and cause more problems than it's worth for most users, which is why I don't recommend it for most users.

    The code in the command line can easily be written into a batch file. Some prefer an automatic shutdown dialog after changes have been committed, I simply chose to shut down manually instead.

    You will still be reading and writing to the SSD before it's locked and also while committing changes/after committing changes but before shutting down. Any additional partitions that are not protected by EWF will also be unaffected and will be reading from/writing to the SSD regularly. Keep in mind as I stated earlier there are many things in the background that will go into cache, if the cache is protected by EWF then that will affect what you are trying to write onto the unprotected partition, especially if you go over the limit.

    Yes you can do this without a SSD.

    I have not setup a HDD with EWF, so I cannot comment exactly on the differences between a SSD locked with EWF and a HDD locked with EWF.