I regret buying the 7805U FX

I really can't figure this thing out. It plays saints row 3 for 3 hours without any problems, but won't play Halo Custom Edition for five minutes without black screen and crash. It will play mass effect 1/2 with no crashes all through the game, but will not play oblivion for 5 minutes.

Plays fallout new vegas... no problem. Fallout 3 with an occasional crash. Skyrim... not one single crash and I played it for like 6 hours straight! But it can't manage 5 minutes of halo custom edition on bloodgulch. Or any other map.

It makes no sense. I can play halo custom edition with all settings maxed and the fans don't seem to kick on to pump out heat or stress the system and it crashes, but with saints row it sounds like a jet engine and never crashes. I have to dumb saints row down to make it look like it was being played on a PS2 but it never crashes.

I really should have saved the money I spent on this thing. $300 was to good a deal.


Only thing I can figure is some kind of conflict with older games running on this things intel centrino 2. Newer games seem to run perfectly fine.

 

Ok so have you clean out the dust in both the CPU and GPU locations? I would seem that you have a overheating problem related to dust on the cooling fins and need to reapply the heatsink compound to improve the heat transfer. Also that Centrino 2 won't mustard what games your playing and it's requirements if it was Duo 2 core I can say it would handle it. But you will need a T9300 or X9000 CPU if you want to play those higher games. Granted you either have 512Meg or 1Gig of GPU RAM but having a faster CPU will prevent bottle necking when gaming performance it needed. Having a Large GPU memory is good but when your CPU is slow it will tie up the rest of the computer.

 

Yes, of course I clean it. Once a month. I can't afford a new CPU right now.

But none of that explains why it can play saints row 3 for hours and hours reliably, and skyrim for 6 hours straight yet can't play 5 minutes of Halo custom edition on a small map. Driving a car with nitrous on in saints row 3 = no problem, some frame loss of course, but nary a crash...

less then five minutes walking around a map in halo custom edition = black screen and system crash.

My temps are always very low. Even playing saints row 3 I never seem to go above 60 degrees. Usually it hovers around 50+ for most games about 38 when I'm not doing anything.

Like I said, it seems to have a lot of problems with older games. Newer ones seem to be fine. But without powermizer, it would crash if someone in japan in a basement farted.

 

hmm...so did you update those older games after installing them as well?

Halo: Custom Edition

Have you read this as well??? This might or might not help.....a little searching seems they are talking about bugs your experiencing or not....but that would be a good place to start....

 

For now Oblivion has known black screen with Nvidia 9 series GPU's you have to go to the game people for that as it is not just gateways systems experiencing these. The Halo mod apparently in the PC version has bugs and other issues so it is hard to blame the system until those issues are all resolved.

 

all games are up to date, oblivion fix was tried, it had no effect.

I timed halo CE. I left it alone for 5 minutes, and it crashes with NOTHING going on, not even moving. I was making a sandwich when I heard the loud buzzing sound that always comes when I get the black screen and crash.

So, i just let the spartan stand there doing nothing, and the computer couldn't handle it.

I then played saints row 3 for an hour and a half... no problems. I even turned some settings UP and no crash. My temps didn't go above 60.

Halo Custom edition is such a simple game this system should have absolutely no problem running it for as long as I leave it going. But won't even go 5 minutes.

 

I kinda figure that was the problem was software related and not the particular laptop or hardware causing the problem. This was based on the fact that two other software they ran had no problem with the laptop and laptop GPU from the OP reply.

 

The oblivion fix, as it is called, still does not resolve everyone issues. There needs to be an "Official" fix released as in a true patch or version. HCE has known issues. I am sorry you can not accept what is well known and published issues. END of ALL responces................

 

I'm not on the blame the game bandwagon because that's impossible. Are you telling me most games are just so poorly made they won't run on this machine?

I get that there are conflicts, but when I leave a game sitting with nothing going on and it still crashes, it doesn't make sense that an update would fix it especially when I've already applied the most recent halo CE update from 2009.

I would buy this game glitch explanation if if happened after hours of playing, not five minutes into it every single time.

 

So I even changed the windows theme to classic, and put halo CE to compatability with win 98, 5 minutes and crash.

There's no emoticon for how I feel about this machine...

 

Ok, so here's the thing. It crashed while I wasn't gaming just a few minutes ago.

So the blame the game excuse is now completely invalid.

I noticed while I was about to pull the power cord out of it to reboot, the audio from the youtube clip I was watching sounded normal for a few seconds while my screen was black then whent back to the loud buzz sound.

So, let's try something else besides updating games as the cause of this problem.

 

Switched from AC to DC while running a GPU accelerated app, what does that tell you? Also do you get the "BUZZ" before other lockups, you had not mentioned that?

 

I mentioned it. I always get a buzz when the screen goes black. I didn't have hardware acceleration on while watching youtube, I leave it off because I always watch in 240/360P anyway. I leave the battery out because I have something in it's place propping the machine up so heat can escape from underneath it.

Right now, my temps are VERY low. Lower then normal. I can't even feel warm air coming out of the vents. I changed power mizer to adaptive. Previously my fans were constantly revving up and slowing down, revving up and slowing down. Now they're quiet I only hear a low hum. I haven't tried any games, but I doubt that will have fixed it. Processor temp is running at 28 degrees, nothing else above 52. GPU is at 0.90V about 46 degrees.

I am starting to suspect a power problem of some sort, I know it's not game update related. When a game crashes, I have never had the whole computer go with it. And fallout3 crashes CONSTANTLY.

It just happens most running games. I've only had two black screens of death outside of playing games.

 

Ok now with the Buzz it usually means there is a power or IRQ issue. If you suspect power then your brick may be on its way out. The problem could also be the boards caps no longer can support your power draw.

Now for the brick, for which these are known to have a cheap one, see if you can find a good replacement. I use a Targus 180w but so long as you haven't changed the system you shouldn't need more than 120w to be safe. you need the same voltage just get a slightly higher amperage. See if you have a friends you can rty out fisrt to check it out...............

 

TARGUS UNIVERSAL NOTEBOOK AC POWER ADAPTER 180W APA05US | eBay

This?

I don't know. It still doesn't make sense why saints row three never crashes this thing, but Halo CE does every five minutes into it.

I think I hate computers. When's the apocalypse coming?

 

This will not fix The program problems, those will still crash. This MAY fix problems elsewhere, where the system actually should be stable. Again I stress that other issues can exist.

As mentioned I will not address program issues as they are beyond the scope of this forum. I will agree though if the system is not stable 100% of the time normally it is impossible to know when it crashes if the program did it at the time or the system.

Now if your videos and other games all crashed 100% of the time then I would argee you have a faulty system, but you do not!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I know it won't fix game glitches. My whole argument has been it has nothing to do with game glitches and poor coding.

I'll try running halo CE again since I changed power mizer, but I guarantee it will not last 5 minutes...

4 hours of skyrim last night. Not a single problem. Laggy, but no black screen crashes. Hard to believe you can run the same game on a nearly 7 year old console, but this machine has problems with it...

Oh well. When we're all eating bugs to survive it won't matter...

 

Console converted games are a glitchy. Name of the game. CE and Oblivion have with nVidia cards a known issue with their graphics engine that causes black screens. go to the programers and add your voice to others that have the exact same issue!

I will however help you with black screen and a youtube video as that should work without issue. If however, you mention either game again my help has ended as you are then considered just trolling...................

 

Now it's reliably crashing every ten minutes or so when I use any 3d application.

I think this thing is destined for some 00 buckshot.

 

Skyrim pc shutdown crash - YouTube

This is pretty much what happens to me.

Except it now happening OUT OF video games.

 

Yep, games are rushed out the door due to greed and the high cost of debug.

I get much of the same results as you; some games just fine and the occasional crash of others..over two different laptops. The original witcher had me thinking evil thoughts on my then new FX.

Can you run the furmark (download) bechmark? This will only tell you your GPU and cooling system is good.

The rest is a combo of drivers, installed programs, and just plain lousy programing that results in occasionl nightmares for us.

cheers

 

Thankyou, another voice of reason. Being a non gamer I guess just can't believed on merit alone..................

 

Is no one paying attention when I said it's happening when I'm not playing video games? Thus making bad game programming a complete and total non issue?

 

I'm really having trouble with my laptop, my eyes, ect. and reading comprehension. Somehow I missed the second page...

Take a breath, you paid $300 used. No clues or problems with black screens or such when you first gamed on it? I wonder what the previous owner(s) have contributed?

Have you added drivers or been into the machine..I had to ask.

What I read now is your GPU may be failing. The next steps can be painful; you need to determine if the GPU is coming unglued.

Can you back up your files and use the restore partition on the hard drive?

The idea is to rule out any rouge program or bad drivers.

At least let Hardware Monitor log your temps to text file while you try a game. We have to rule out the CPU as well..

If you have tried this, then let us know.

 

The problem is to trouble shoot the issue he has to stay away from games that are known issues with a good system. I'll admit with a video it should not crash. The OP insists on continuing to mention crashes of those games. We need a consistent known good issue not one where the crash can be caused by the program itself.

Then once stable if there are still program issues he can go to the programers. Continuing to use those programs known to crash and referencing them is just a waiste of time!

The OP should uninstall the two games known to crash the system and once a stable system is attained go after those issues.

I should note again that I am more than willing to help with stability issues for known good apps or the OS. Until stable do not use those two games as the crashing can't be 100% known as a system caused crash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Tanware, is it possible to delete a game and all the registry changes that that game may have made?

 

use the system restore to restore to a point before the game install is the best/easiest option.................

 

So you hate a computer because, although it plays every other game you own flawlessly, you can't play ONE game back from the early 2000s? Really?

Sounds like you have a few things to iron out.

It sounds too much like drivers for the game. The game is just buggy. That's the problem.

If it matters, the same thing happens to me in the same game. 5 min in, crashes, game has stopped responding. Campaign runs fine for Halo but the DM just freaks out on me.

Ahh.... yes the second page... I see now...

Looks like a dying GPU. However these can be replaced can they not?

 

I have tried everything. My GPU is at 1.12V now, previously I had it power mized to 0.90V, and it didn't help with crashes. I set older programs to run on a single core, no changes.

I am not spending 1 penny on this thing without some clear explanation of what's wrong with it. Do I buy a new power cord? Or some 00 buckshot?

It crashes when I use the GECK editor now when previously it didn't, yet will still play skyrim for hours and hours and hours with no problems. It black screen crashed twice when I had like 20 browser windows open doing GPT offers.

Look at the video I posted, that's what I get with these random BSOD's. And, again, let me remind you, it is happening when I am not playing video games...

Repeat when I'm NOT playing video games.

 

Try this if you haven't already http://forum.notebookreview.com/gat...solution-nvlddmkm-video-crash-p-7805u-14.html

If that doesn't help, download every official and unofficial patch you can find for Oblivion/whatever other game that is crashing for you.

 

try doing a clean install of windows first, who knows what kind of fixes you may already have in there that could have corrupted the drivers or whatnot.

if a fresh install with the updated drivers still occurs for you (outside gaming) then chances are it's a hardware problem.

 

GECK most likely alows alot of shifts from 2d to 3d timing. It really sounds like the GPU memory is causing issues. I think the edited bios has a force in the bios at the first lowered level to keep the 3d timing.

Now this could be that bad tim on the GPU and or video memory chips forces the video card to lower clocks to keep cool, not just save power. This forces those memory speed changes.

When you have multiple tabs open on IE etc you could one one of those pages be running a video or other app that is accessing GPU resources. It is not just what you are doing at the time but what the system is doing!

To cure the normal issues I would look into a good cleaning and full TIM replacement and consider trying a better brick too. as mentioned you have been trying multiple solutions to the drivers etc so a clean install of the OS may not be a bad idea either. Another possible consideration is bios 9c.23.00 as this tends to let the GPU run constantly warmer (I should note this can make things worse if there is a heat build up issue). Now these may not cure all of your ill's but hopefully it should help.

Now that video you have is not of your system so it is hard to diagnose from that. Even with a video of your system that probably still would not help..................

 

The video is just the example of what happens to me.

I got to play an hours worth of battlestar galactica online before......... you guessed it. Black screen and crash. So it can't handle games in browser windows either. Crashed earlier in the day while doing nothing.

Let's start with a new power brick. I will not spend a fortune for one, and that's assuming it will even fix the issue.

Can someone suggest a low priced model I can get that will be better then the el cheapo stock gateway one? I'm talkin' $20 at most. Cause this thing isn't worth spending a fortune on.

 

do the FREE or low cost fixes first. Make sure you are fully clean on the cooling ports. try a re-tim, You could also try a reset of the DST table and then lastly an os reinstall.............

 

Stock power brick works fantastic with overclocked gpu, oc'd extreme cpu and an extra ssd in the laptop. Only problem is that it used to overheat at one point. Found a simple solution for that: I flipped it so it sits sideways on the floor. No more overheating.

 

I changed power mizer to medium power save medium performance, what did it change? My screen no longer goes black when it crashes. The computer just freezes and the audio buzzes. I was playing star trek legacy when you guessed it, crash. It started buzzing, then the audio was crackly and i could move the mouse cursor for a second. Then had to pull the power plug out and reset.

Yesterday it crashes when I clicked a link in my browser. So we've gone from black screen, to frozen screen.

Progress at least...

 

Ok, when we say power mizer we are not talking power profile but a setting in registry that sets the GPU power profile specifically for nVidia cards. See the link below.............

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...izer-switch-get-most-out-your-video-card.html

 

Not using that.

This is what people said fixed their issues.

PowerMizer Manager | Some More Bytes

BTW, I took it apart and cleaned EVERYTHING. I even elevated it more and my temps are still very low. So I am NOT overheating.

 

So long as you did a full strip down and reapplied TIM properly then the culprit is either the hardware has had it or the software has issues. Again so long as powermizer is set to run at full all the time.

Tne thing to try is a reinstall of the os. If you have a spare drive I would suggest using it for a fresh boot up os install. This way you loose nothing on the original drive. Sometimes you just have to start from fresh...................

Edit; I should have asked first though. Do you have any other devices, usb or otherwise, attached to the computer?

Also to eliminate them, try one stick only of memory. Be sure to try each stick by itself too..................

 

I tried power mizer switch, back to black screen crashes after 20 minutes of ultimate universe mod for legacy.

As for an OS reinstall, not possible. Don't have a windows 7 disc.

And I have a USB keyboard cause the onboard one doesn't work.

 

try the memory stick solution to be sure the memory is not of issue. also try without the keyboard playing too. Most likely it is not an issue but eliminate it. The FX series is known to have some issues with video interupt and USB devices but this is more prevelant in the P79xx series.

There is always the possibility the broken keyboard is throwing bad signals too, albeit again unlikely it still is something to eliminate. What is broken on the keyboard?

Edit; Although I have to say buying a known broken machine was not the best of ideas, unless it broke on you and then what happened.................

 

Should have got the Compal made Gateway nv78 instead and upgraded it to the 5870.

 

The keyboard doesn't respond even though in windows it says it's working, so it's probably a hardware problem.

I've been getting those video driver has stopped responding problems again since I set power mizer to adaptive.

I guess I do need to try the andros fix as a last resort.

 

Hi!
Where can I found some downloadable BIOS for my 7805u? I had .17 bios "pulsating", and this .23 keeps my gpu hot. I can't find any other bios that could be downloaded. Please help me! Thanks!

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gat...-series-fx-bios-9c-05-00-thru-9c-17-00-a.html

 

Well, this thing is predictable atleast. I know now I can't play star trek legacy for more then EXACTLY 20 minutes. I timed it. It will crash exactly twenty minutes into playing it. Oblivion exactly 5 minutes. Fallout 3, plays forever unless I go near the Robco building, crashes almost every time. Halo CE 10 minutes and crash.

Never crashed once playing saints row three, new vegas, or skyrim. Max Payne 2: Start to finish in one sitting system never black screen crashed. San Andreas occasionally crashes.

So, the GPU must not be a lost cause. I will try Andros' fix, but I can't see it having any effect since I've tried everything to get this thing to work properly.

 

Before I try the andors fix, would forcibly underclocking the GPU help this problem?

 

Sell the computer on Craigslist, and don't buy used computers again.

 

Oblivion and Halo CE have known issues with nVidia 9xxx, do not use these as standards for troubleshooting the GPU, You do not seem to get this no matter how many times I state it. Only use known programs that no one else with your GPU has issues with.

For STL try below..............

Crashing Problem? Video problem? - Star Trek Online Forums

Edit; I am done with you! you are just trolling at this point and do not take or act properly on proper ANY advice. You are just here to annoy and I am done being annoyed, go pay someone to fix it for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!