New BIOS for P-78 notebooks 9C.23 and 9C.25. Seems like nothing's changed.

I disabled mine today - will see if it helps
thanks

 

I wish there was a fix, I don't like to disable things, but I really don't like system crash's either I have not bothered to look for any updates, I guess I will now.

 

Hi look at this post though.........

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gat...ies-fx-bios-9c-05-00-thru-9c-17-00-a-152.html

So according to this posted .23 and .25 let a Q9100 at least post! I am wondering though as he did not try a clear CMOS and reinstall of the OS.........

 

Was it for sure the BIOS or could it have been his motherboard?

 

Could be both but he said 9c.17.00 would not even bios post as it was dead. Definately has me curious though.............

 

.25 sucks. when i flashed this bios, it resulted with a huge loss of fps in 3d mark. i went back to .23 and everything is ok.
don`t recommend .25.
it
causes video problems.

 

Hi, CPU-Z says my motherboard is a Gateway IMV, chipset PM45 rev.07, southbridge 82801IM (ICH9-M) if this helps any... I could not get 9c20 to load so couldn't try it on that ver BIOS...

 

CPU-Z says the same for my mystery motherboard that I got from the Acer Repair Center in Texas.

Also the "System Version" found in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DESCRIPTION\System\BIOS is "Gateway MG1".

 

I have not had any issues, I have played SC2, EQ2, COD4, and WOW all on Ulta/High settings, maybe its the video driver? I am now using the newest beta from Nvidia.

 

Gateway agrees that it sucks because they removed it from their website.

 

True, I am just testing it myself, Gateway is sooo reliable with BIOS, lol. It would be nice if Gateway stated what improvments where added to each of their BIOS's instead of just throwing them out there. They did state .25 had video issues, I have not seen this yet.

 

Ultimate Destruction, I did a regedit on my system and this is what it said about my BIOS


Hope this helps, and I did it right...

 

My P7805 has the same version board etc and per regedit except I am P7805-u the rest of the entries are the same.

 

Yeah it is unfortunate that everything is the same.

 

I don`t know what happened but after I started flashing BIOS something happened to my general graphic performance. In the first scene of 3dmark 06 I had 72 fps. now I have only 42. don`t know what happende.

 

So which Bios are you currently on .23 or .25? Maybe reinstall your graphic driver.

 

try to reinstall nvidia driver. just in case

 

ok found the solution. i had nvidia performance utility installed and it brought back factory settings.

 

I just installed bios v23 and found that:

Bios v17 vs. v23
IDLE GPU temp:
screenshot#1 biosv17 - temp 49C
screenshot#2 biosv23 - temp 66C
screenshot#3 10min later IDLE GPU temp 67-70C (?)


readings taken same place, almost the same time(5-8min difference)

see HWMonitor:

 

9C.20 and 9C.23 don't cause the GPU to generate more heat, they just don't have the fan spin up and down repeatedly to keep the GPU cool at lower temps. Regardless, your temps shouldn't be that high. Do you have powermizer off?

 

Yes, you right I have my powermizer off.

is it normal temp with powermizer off?

 

I didn't exactly understand. Do you mean:
1) You had installed the nVidia performance utility with C.17 and had overclocked settings, and that the overclocked settings reverted back to slower factory settings when you went to C.23, and that is the reason for C.23 appearing to be worse than C.17?

2) You used the nVidia performance utility and after flashing to C.23 you were able to set it to the same defaults used for C.17, and thus you regained performance? That implies that C.23 has defaults that are lower than the defaults from the nVidia performance utility.

Are you using the nVidia performance utility to overclock the 9800GTS? If so, can you recommend optimal settings? Just to compare apples to apples, it would be useful to verify whether identical settings for the video card would have drastically different video card temperature settings. I had believed that the BIOS of the video card (assumed to control the fan) is different than the BIOS for the motherboard.

Thanks!

 

9C.17 is probably a better BIOS because it will always keep the GPU cooler than 9C.20 and 9C.23 during idle. I think the issue with 9C.17 could be that it wears out the fan, especially if you have powermizer off and no laptop cooler. Regardless of the BIOS though, I highly recommend you turn powermizer on unless you have had problems with it. Having it on does not affect game performance. I also recommend a laptop cooler or at raise the back of your laptop.

 

43% at idle with .25

 

is your powermizer off?

 

are you sure? I read post some time ago to use powermizer with off settings -for better gaming. Its not true?

 

Yes it is, when on AC power.

 

Now my GPU temp is 77% at idle??? I even went back to BIOS .23 from .25, no effect. I am getting these readings from the Nvidia gaget on the sidebar, but still, I wonder whats going on?

I installed GPU-Z, and get the same readings.

I went back to 258.96, still Idles at 76%? I did install IE 9 beta, I do not think it's that.

 

It's not true. Not with these cards. The only time powermizer has failed me is in Vista Chess where it is a not very intensive 3D game and you often don't click anything in it for a minute or more while you think of your move so powermizer takes that as a queue to go to the desktop 2D profile which makes the game lag. The only other time I notice powermizer is when I minimize a game and go back into it a minute later there is sometimes bad frame rate for a second.

 

What has other people seen for a Idle Tenp on their P-7805U FX?

 

same question
for bios v23 or v25 - IDLE ONLY

 

Ok, I no for a fact now, and I know many have said this before.
BIOS .17 GPU Idle temp is 44%
BIOS .23 GPU Idle temp is 67%

No debate, now what was the pluses of .23 anyways, the fan pulses?

 

With .23 and .20 the fan doesn't pulse. Also someone was able to boot with a Core 2 Quad in safe mode with .23 but not .17.

 

OK, SO.
At first I installed Nvidia tools to check to which clock levels I can set my display card. LAter On I flashed MB Bios. After Flashing MB Bios I noticed fps drop downs. I thought it was connected with MB bios flashing but It wasn`t. IT was CLEAR C-O-I-N-C-I-D-E-N-C-E. )) Nvidia tools just set my display card clocks to default when earlier they were set at higher levels. What I gained by flashing MB bios is better GPU FAN stability.

 

My optimal settings are 720 for gpu core, 1770 for shaders and 900 for memory. I raised voltage to 1,16. My 3d mark score is 10900

 

Don`t know what happened but i can`t flash 23 and 25 because an error WDM occured. Does anyone know what is it all about?

 

Your notebook set-up says you have a Q9100 in your 7805?

 

I'd be interested as well but maybe he meant X9100........ ?

 

Yeah he most likely meant X9100 because he has 3.06GHz for it.

 

I'm running 9c08, I'm running W7 64, have upgrade to x9100.

Nothing seems wrong, so I don't see a need for flashing a new bios.

My question is, if I do, a new bios will optimize my system, ie, I'll gain some FPS or improve system anyhow?

 

I do not remember anyone getting more FPS from a bios upgrade. I do remember however on 9c.17.00 the desktop was much snappier with the 6mb L2 than with 9c.11.00. The bios change did not seem to make much difference on the original CPU as it was only 3mb L2........

 

Ok, thanks.

 

I am still on 9C.08 bios. Just haven't gotten around to updating the bios. I have questions on the methodology of updating the bios:

1. Do I update the bios, one update at a time?

2. or do I update straight away to 9C.17 or 9C.25?

I have the P-7801u laptop.

 

I believe you can update your Bios to any version, it's a flash program, it does not need a prev version.

 

I probably wasn't clear. I want to make sure I capture all the bios fixes, so does flashing to the latest bios include all the fixes from earlier bios releases or do I have to update every bios upgrade to capture all the bios fixes?

 

When you flash a BIOS you are overwriting the previous BIOS.

Also 9C.25 is a BAD BIOS. Go with either 9C.17 or 9C.23. Gateway took 9C.25 off their website for a reason. The only people that use it are people that never had problems with it so they didn't switch from it.

 

I know what flashing a bios does. My question is does flashing a 9C.17 bios include all the changes from the previous bios releases???? From .08 thru .17.

 

Normally a new bios will include any improvements from the prior version. The rare circumstance it doesn't usually is involved with a roll back of an enhancement. This happened as an example with alot of nvidia chipsets a while back when they had that PCI prefetch pattent issue. You would install the new bios, ie my Everex system, to the latest bios and there was an instant performance loss.

so far as I've seen 9c.17.00 is the most stable bios release they have had to date. I personally haven't tried the newer ones but without direct proof of some code improvement from Gateway I will not bother either.

 

9C.20 fixed the annoying fan cycling issue, and it is a lot less annoying than what my P-7805u had from the factory (9C.17 assumed).

 

Mine does not on the 9c.17.00 have this issue, even without the cooler and the video overcocked along with powermizer off.........