Official ICD7 Thread

How to buy in Middle East, specially Saudi Arabia ?

 

I am working on final reports this weekend. One of the issues with the notebook review results is that most comparisons are for stock TIMS so I thought to add some other CPU/GPU before and after tests for comparison.

While not directly comparable as the platforms are different in nature the general trends should hold. For example heat fluxes are higher on a centimeter die vs a 30mm sq IHS so your delta temps would approx. double. There are other effects but are beyond the scope of this effort to devote adequate time to.

Below are Tom's hardware CPU results which I will integrate later with totals for each compound from 529 users tests. With the averages 10 -20 samples indicate a trend, 20 to 30 samples solidify things a bit. 30+ samples results as a whole only change 1/4 to 1/2 C up in the hundreds from then on out

 

I don't know if I'm allowed to mention this but wanted I wanted to assure potential buyers that Burrows Solutions does ship Internationally. I am the owner of Burrows Solutions and am only here because I saw traffic from this post going to my site. A few pages back there was a really nice post from someone that had purchased it from us. I also noticed the gentleman above that mentioned Saudi Arabia and we had received an order a few days ago from someone there. Admins, please PM or email me if my post is not allowed and I will surely not do it again. Big thanks to the people who have ordered from us!!

 

I can also vouch the Burrows Solutions is an awesome seller. He even tried to take the time to find me an x9100 before I bought from shirley. I've bought ICD 7 and then 24 from him. Fast shipping and best price I could find.

Z

 

Sales Discussion perhaps belongs in - Notebook and Tech Bargains

 

Seeing as how there are several questions in this thread alone on where to buy the product that is highlighted in this thread, maybe here is the best place to discuss where and who to buy from?

But you're probably right, you should probably let those potential customers questions go unanswered.

Z

 

I'd say posting in both makes the most sense.

Here because it's been brought up and there to share with a possibly wider readership.

Heck, one could argue that this entire thread isn't Gateway/eMachine specific and it should be in a more general Forum, too.

At this point, I wouldn't move it or if I did I would leave the title/link here since this is where many of us expect the thread.

 

I didn't know what I was allowed to do so I thought I would just give it a shot. I'm hoping that an Admin has read the post by now and decided that it is ok. It has been brought up and a few people mentioned buying it from me. I noticed the traffic coming from here and just wanted to help the discussion a little. I think a post elsewhere here is probably a good idea too but I don't know if that is allowed either, I don't want to start any trouble. Just wanted to answer a few questions quick. I don't go trolling around in forums trying to pull people to my site.

Let's please get back to the topic on hand though before this does possibly get out of control. Then the Admins will probably delete my post and possibly change their policies since this innocent post started problems.

 

I have a question, more like a thought,

Our laptops depend on a heat pipe to carry the heat from the CPU/GPU plate and off load it to the radiation fins. What if a film of ICD were to cover the entire heat pipe surface (IE; Painted) all the way to the fins? This should increase thermal conductivity to the fins allowing for better cooling by getting the heat to the fins faster?

Maybe I'm wrong but has anyone tried this? I think this may be even more usefull on laptops with LONG heatpipes too?

 

I don't think that would help much. Heatpipes usually carry heat via a working fluid that vaporizes inside the hollow tube and carries the heat from one end to the other ( Heat pipe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Sure, doing so would increase the conductivity of the external metal portion, but that's usually only about 1-2% of the total conductivity of the heat pipe, so you wouldn't be adding very much at all. If anything, it might make things worse by making it easier to transfer heat outside the pipe into the interior of your notebook, before the heat gets to the cooling fins, which would end up raising the interior temperature of your notebook.

 

I am not too sure. I understand the principal but I think as you over saturate the heat pipes thermal capability the heat builds up and has to go somewhere. If you feel the pipe on the CPU it gets crazy mad hot. At the same time not too much heat is being thrown out.

It appears excess heat is heating the pipe itself keeping the liquid in gas form and since there is less vaporization there is less cooling going on. So the heat pipe works as designed for its limits but once capacity is reached it starts cating more as an insulator.

There was a thread a while back with someone using copper tubing around the pipe to increase thermal mass and I think it was successful but more than most are willing to do. can't seem to find it now.

I have another thought though. The quads used the other heatsink than the one I have. I am wondering if the pipe is tuned differently to alow for better cooling at a higher TPD. to try this out I've found a new one of those and it is on order, we shall see if it is any better...............

 

Certainly, but the question becomes whether or not you are over saturating the heat pipe's thermal capacity, which would naturally depend on the working fluid involved. I would generally figure it's probably water, as that would be the cheapest and easiest (also the least toxic if there are issues), and that would mean that unless you're going over 100 degrees Celsius, you're probably not saturating the heat pipe. Also remember that the condensing of the working fluid is going to happen down at the "cool" end, i.e. the fins, so until that end goes over the boiling point, the pipe is probably still going to be operating pretty well (although perhaps at reduced capacity, we'd need actual heating curves to know). It's certainly also possible that the quad-core heatpipe is tuned differently, or perhaps it's simply specced for greater heat transfer, easily done by modifying the design or working fluid of said heat pipe. Another possibility, of course, depending on how old your heat pipe is, is that the working fluid may have leaked out over the years. This last possibility is difficult to test, however, other than destructively.

 

Remember according to the vacuum inside the boiling point of the liquid is lowered. therefore the cooling of vapor to liquid point is lowered as well. Unfortunately we are not privy to the specs. My x9100 at 3.6GHz runs close too 100c under high load and the 3.7 GHz is there or better.

The problem lies in TPD. While the stock P8xxx is 25w and T9xxx is 35w I've gone to a 44-45w TPD. Now the Q9000 is a 45w TPD so I think the HS from one of those should fare better.

Maybe it doesn't matter but only one way to find out. My thought is without really pressing the two HS's on the same cpu there may be only a 1-2c difference and is easily dismissable by just variance in TIM application. So without hard pressing them there may be no appreciable difference.

I do know at the vCore I run for 3.6 and 3.7 GHz Orthos will easily saturate the HS I have and over heat. On a side note I am still pining for a QX9200.

I am so tempted to throw the $250 to the wind to get one and give it my all, even though I am pretty sure that isn't enough. I'd probably have to use the 9c.23.00 as some success was reported with that version bios.

My pressent HS seems to work fine at it's intended use but of course I am pushing it way beyond that. I can tell you as an observation the CPU seems to struggle getting temps to 70-75c but from there it appears as if the HS folds and heats up rapidly, especially above 85c. Now this is totally unscientific and again just a single persons observation.

I can tell you it doesn't feel like it is throwing any where near the heat it should. I keep it dust free too so air flow is not an issue.

This also explains why elevating the back of the laptop helps to cool the CPU/GPU better. Besides more air this angles the heat pipes creating some gravity effect for helping to flow the liquid back to the heat plates besides just relying on the wicking effect..........

 

Make it a plug-in like an electrical outlet, exterior heat pipes plug into female adapter soldered to interior heat pipes. Get enough surface area on the connection, maybe spring loaded for contact pressure and lots of thermal compound and losses would be minimal

a number of alternative ways to do it

 

With BB they cheap out on everything possible. Since the CPU's were 25w TDP they would cheap out on the heat pipe too and put in te minimal one required. Since the Quad capable units had the other assembly it most likely is te better of the two. In theend though it may just be no difference other than one is cheaper to make than the other.

But I have to know. If in the end if this does little to nothing then it is off to try something else. To be honest if I can get the 99c 3.7 GHz to stay at 95c or better on normal high loads I'll be a happy camper. I would still run mostly at 3.2 GHz but be more confident when 3.7 is running.

3.4 GHz even with Orthos only gets to 82c as it is now and about 70c with 3.2 GHz but we are always in a struggle for better when overclocking. Just the nature of the game I guess.

That external dock to a cooling solution is not a bad idea, just not sure how to best safely impliment it. It could be a way though to add active cooling without worrying about internal condensation, Hmmmmmmmm...........

 

Not too cross post, but I was right about the new HS. A correction though, with the house heated for the winter and a warm room Orthos crashes 3.2 GHz.........

 

Is it still possible to get some free Diamond IC 7?

Currently using AS5 on my notebook and I am noticing increasing temperatures after 6+ months of usage, resulting in having to re-apply.

 

I've used it for two years without the rise your seeing. When you re-applied did you see a drop?

I use AS5 because it's local, and my original tube still half full; but will try IC7 if it's still free

Anyone else seeing a long term rise?

 

Initial drop into low 30s (after curing process), now I idle around 40+.

 

My brother has an Asus G60VX that is only a little over one year old. (c2d P7350, 4GB ddr2-800, Geforce 260m GTX ) He started getting stuttering in COD Black Ops to the point where it wasn't very playable, laughable because his graphics card is definitely good enough to run it. He's the type that like to keep things stock (including his graphics driver), so he was using the latest Asus released one, NOT the one from Nvidia's site. He played other games just fine however, until one night when attempting to play Left for Dead 2 with some friends he started getting extreme lag and performance issues. Me being an IT Network/Systems Admin that got his start in Hardware, immediately thought it was a heat issue.

Turns out I was 100% correct. We tried updating the drivers, restoring to factory settings, and even the simply cleaning it out with air. Until I decided to run Aida64 to read the sensor info, and I wasn't very surprised to see his 260 GTX running at 89 degrees C on idle! After trying every little software "fix," I took apart his laptop for inspection, and upon doing so I found that his thermal pad over his GPU had melted to a fine powder.... Crazy, as I've never seen it get that bad before. So I decided to try some AS5.... needless to say the first time around I got contact on the GPU only in one corner, and it was a fail. The second time around I got really good contact, but it didn't help very much and it actually seemed to get slightly hotter. So we ordered some new thermal pads from frozencpu.com, and it seems like they keep the temps around what they were 89 degrees C.

At this point I'm thinking his card is dying, the heatpipe/fan assembly is bad, or I've been unlucky with my choices of thermal materials.

Would it be possible, if this IC7 stuff is still free, that I be sent a tube to test it in this situation? It would be greatly appreciated, and I will most definitely let you know if it works. I plan to put it on the entire heatsink assembly over the GPU, GPU MEM, IC's etc... Everywhere there is currently a heat pad will have IC7.... I think I might actually need two tubes now that I think about it, as it is quite a bit of surface area, and after reading you need approx three times more with IC7 then you do with AS5... Well you be the judge.

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I'm located in Northern Illinois

 

I think the free giveaway for this stuff was over a while ago. You're probably better off just buying it as a tube of this stuff should be less than $10 and will cover more than a few applications of a laptop gpu heatsink. You shouldn't use it in place of the mem pads. You need to buy replacement mem pads if the stock ones are not good. I don't think you need 3 times as AS5 either. Probably just a pea sized dot just like all the other pastes out there to get good coverage of the gpu die.

 

The model laptop my brother has, had thermal pads over the gpu and all components on the mxm board, and the gap between the gpu and heatsink is just about the same as between the rest of the components. Shouldn't IC7 perform the same on the rest of the components? The idea here is maximum cooling, seeing as how this card is running extremely hot, and the pads we bought are the Fujipoly ones from frozencpu.com. I cannot recommend these pads for this application, because they didn't make much of a difference. Also of note is Asus's failure in designing this laptop, and the single fan inside is controlled by the CPU temps, which never get anywhere near as hot as the GPU. 89 degrees on idle is ridiculous, and AS5 brought the CPU down to 40 from it's prior 48.

Seeing as how IC7 is non-conductive, why wouldn't it be a good idea to use it on the entire thing?

 

All those that participated in this survey - We are doing a long term reliability study here

http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...c-diamond-24-giveaway-reliability-survey.html

And What we are looking for those end users that posted results here 2 years ago and still have original installation in place and can now retest/bench for comparison reliability data in exchange we will provide a free ICD24 tube for the updated information.

All the Best

Andrew

 

I can't seem to keep a configuration that long...............

 

Well it looks like I'm going to have to try this out. Arctic Silver can't eliminate the gaps on my gpu (HD 2600). Right now my gpu is idling at 77C

 

Just wanted to post and say Thanks for making ICD7! I have a 6860 and when I swapped in a better CPU, I noticed that the thermal pad had ripped. I put it back together and hoped for the best, but it's always run kind of hot, forcing me to lower game settings and use a cooler to keep it from overheating. It even heated up the dual SSDs I have in it to the point where they felt scary hot, and that wasn't happening before the CPU swap.

One removal of the old pad and application of ICD7 later (hit the CPU too while I was in there for a couple-degree C drop), and the problem seems to be gone completely. I'll crank up some games and put it to the test to see how it holds up, but I've got a good feeling about it now.

W

 

I applied some ICD7 to my laptop over the weekend and immediately saw a drop in temps. My GPU is idling at 61C. A huge drop compared to 77C. I was playing Battlefield 2 - Bad Company 2 at 1280X720 on low and my GPU hit 96C. I live in a very hot and humid climate ( it's 11:30 am right now and it's 81C with 89% humidity). The climate might explain slightly higher temps than what I've seen in this thread and on the internet with my card. Anyways ICD7 is an amazing product.

 

My tube is icd7 is in the mail. I have AS5 on a fresh repaste on my UL30 vt so will compare this via HWM and my bench mark. With and without thermal (old) pads to validate some of the claims on the icd7 thread. I have new pads ordered, but doubt they will be here before work calls.

The post before mine is typical of what i see...ic7 is better than AS5..OK, his words. I see that 81C is claimed for ambient( loud applause) but missing is the before, (with AS5) screen shot, same ambient temps?

Also, I question the sensors on his laptop assuming 0C is his just launched temps. Mine are 23-24C, across the board, except ACPI of 40C?

Nor have many mentioned the amount of hairballs removed..if any

My long term use of AS5 has been great, but lost all screen shots of 3 years past on my FX. The winner will get to repaste my x775 and FX if i can afford the mods for both.

 

been there, done that

Below results are from desktop systems, with the higher heat fluxes on laptops results should average 2X better.

Interested to see your results we will add them to the average count

 

I own a Gateway p-7805u as well and have been experiencing some high temperature problems both on the CPU and GPU and have applied for a sample. Hopefully I'll get approved!

Pictures of my current system in idling state:

 

Asus UL30vt, March 25 2012

These are my results between AS5 and then ICD7 a week later. Ambient temps 22C in both tests. The CPU is in the Asus sanctioned OC Turbo of 1.7 MHz from stock 1.3 MHz. Average from 1.3 to 1.9 MHz about 1 – 9C observed depending on Under Volt.

The AS5 tests are flawed in that my supply of Articlean had not arrived, 95% alcohol and Freon used and temps measure within 1 hour of apply. AS5 and ICD7 used in place of the 1.25 mm pad (measured) on my Northbridge.

Other than Core 1, the nod goes to ICD7.

The GPU bench is freely available to all. HWM V.1.6 used. Other versions may not show GPU temp or battery wear depending on sensors used, YMMV.

In future use I’ll run HWM, then place notebook in standby for 1 hour; from standby to desktop takes but a few seconds to get lower MIN readings. I do this to see which diodes or other sensors are closer to true ambient for reference. After stress test I will wait half hour to allow true average temps before snap shot. This is a bit anal but the reason I ignore about 90% of the screen shots..including my own I lost my factory TIM reference shots.

Thanks

 

I bought a tube of ICD7 earlier today, stripped my P-7805u down to the core and replaced all the old thermal paste + cleaned all of the vents. Here are some results. I will be running game benchmarks later tomorrow.

Pre-thermal paste idling temperatures:



Post-thermal paste idling temperatures:

 

I participated in the test 2 years ago and I have got a new laptop which I have repasted with ICD7:

Before
CPU (i7 3610QM) - ~50C (Idle) ~71C (everyday intensive load such as video rendering and photo work)
GPU (GTX 680m) - ~49C (Idle) ~68C (gaming load)

After
CPU (i7 3610QM) - ~47C (Idle) ~67C (everyday intensive load such as video rendering and photo work)
GPU (GTX 680m) - ~44C (Idle) ~64C (gaming load)

Ambient hovering around 24C.

Very consistent improvements however, in my experience, ICD does have the same issue that all other thermal pastes suffer and that is longevity under very hot conditions. My temperatures gradually worsened as my previous laptop had a 2920XM that I would constantly be running at over 80C sometimes venturing into 90C. ICD was the best at suppressing the temps but eventually it wore out, a repaste helped it. My mate's laptop which never rose passed 70C on any of the components stayed consistent throughout the 2 year period.

I will keep updating this with more info as time goes on.

I hope this helps. I will register in the email and keep the testing going

 

It is not just the paste. The problem is the harder you stress out heat pipes the faster they wear out. A repaste may help somewhat but what you will find is you never get back to the original temps.

The problem is not just the pipes but contact. Since the majority of the HS's rely on sprung metal legs these legs provide less presaure over timeand excess heat actually accelerates this loss of contact preasure. There can be other forces involved as well so there is no real clear cut answer as every system is different. I can tell you with my prior installs, at least one last 12 months, the temps held up just as good as the day installed ubt thus was a shimmed install taking care of leveling and the sprung preasure................