Official ICD7 Thread

Hmm, I still haven't received anything for my e-mailed request. Should I re-email about it?

 

Yours went out today. Sorry for the delay been really backed up

 

(I'm just accustomed to getting confirmations through e-mail.)
Cool, thanks greatly! I'll be sure to post the results when I get it in.

 

Hey guys, aside froom the free stuff and great results...help Andrew out and spread the word......he needs to make some money doing this....

 

I paid for mine and may be purchasing some more soon. Thinking of redoing my cpu etc on my XT5000T as that thing really generates some heat...........

Edit; I should add that I think this, or this type, of heat transfer media should be an industry standard. While it would be more expensive it could save enormously on support calls, returns, refurbs andx so on. Also it would alow manufacturers to pack more performance in a smaller package and or ease on cooling system requirements..............

 

I think I have given him good value on his investment of a tube of IC7.
I bought two tubes of IC7, tested four laptop CPUs, three GPUs and provided the results of those tests and have now bought two tubes of IC24 that are in transit. The tube of IC7 that was sent to me as a test sample (different forum), I came here and sent it to Mexicansnake, on my dime. I have shown the test results to some of the shops I frequent, and provided url and mailing address. I promote it any chance I get.
Bringing a new product to market takes time. I am sure that sales will start ramping up.
I love this stuff.

 

what u mean? i can help him but not sure what he needs help at exactly....but anyways i need more ICD7 any place u recommend to buy this from or where need is ASAP...........

 

I bought a tube from frozencpu.com

 

What I mean is spread the word about this stuff....recommend it to others as I recommended it to you all. I got Andrew (The ICD7 Guy) to sponsor a giveaway here because I saw a good opportunity in an untapped market for him, and you guys didnt disappoint, good results, great job sharing experiences......Just take a step further and spread the word and recommend it to others.

If you think about the samples, they are free, and he's paying for shipping on top of that....so thats a pretty penny out of pocket for him...he's not a thermal paste philanthropist, its his business.......so we tell others on NBR, others we know at other forums and in our regular lives, and we tell places like Fry's and other retailers to get it together and make this stuff more accessible.

Yes, one of my suggestions was to start pestering companies about bundling ICD7 with their coolers, stuff like that.
When it comes to stock stuff like notebook and motherboard assembly, its just much easier to have a gun full of Shin Etsu or generic gunk and some tear away thermal pads.

 

i have been recommending this to others quite often now since my experience has been so pleasant and yes i would love to see this at my local frys store love to find a way i can help out Andrew and to get the word out also to make retailers distribute this great product some suggestions capper so i can help out in a more professorial manner.......

 

Agreed it is easier at assembly but post production costs would reduce dramatically in support for heat related issues, failed components from heat issues and returns from heat issues amongst others.

For production they could use something like a hot glue gun to ease application. The same could be done with repair facilities. There really is a huge need here.

We have had massive changes in chips over a short period of time but heat transfer tech has ben basically the same for a long time. it is time for that to start catching up with the increased demands of todays tech.

 

I agree with you 100%, it might take 5 minutes instead of one minute to assemble a board using ICD7, but the tradeoff would be well worth it, as we have seen from peoples results here.

The thing is, as long as the hardware stays in the safe operating zone, temperature wise, then there is no need to apply a top quality thermal compound. While you and I may look at it and think its just a few cents, these companies look at the mass production costs and see thousands of dollars. For a company that builds overclocked video cards, this might be a worthwhile option.....but for a generic boardmaker like ECS it makes little sense, because while the temps may go down, it doesnt change the quality of the caps and other components used.

Remember, we are talking about less than 5% of users who are like us....tinkering, disassembling, modifying, overclocking....more than 95% of computer/notebook users either buy a preassembled system, or do no tinkering at all.

 

The IC Diamond giveaway's as a promotional/beta test vehicle is working well for us as we have been adding a 1-2 resellers/ distributors a week for the last 8 weeks and sales are up and momentum is in our favor. So all in all not bad, market is probably down 25-50% and I am on an increasing sales curve. An advantage is when coming from Zero we have no market share to lose, the only option is to gain share.

We also have 2 new compounds in the pipeline we will be introducing in the coming weeks so I will be tripling up on these giveaway's in the near future.

As always I appreciate people taking the time to test post favorable comments

Andrew

 

I got my test sample in the mail Friday or Saturday (I was away for a trip the weekend) and I finally opened up my laptop, went to unscrew the heatsink and theres a problem. Screws #5 and #3 come out without a problem (3 took a bit of work) but the rest won't come out and I don't want to use force. I tried a PH00 screwdriver and one thats a little bit bigger and neither of them work. I don't want to break my laptop, but I want to use the ICD7. Thoughts?

 

**ignore post**

 

If you had been following the thread and had looked at the website's instructions on how to apply it then the amount you apply is roughly 0.5 cm in diameter....

And if that's what you put on then something else is wrong...

 

If you had thermal pad before, then i suggest ju put a lot more than the picture here shows. Maybe even 3 times more, thermal pad is at least 1mm thick. You have to compensate that gap with IC7, i dunno how big your GPU is but you have to calculate with your own eye, how much you should applie. Maybe you but it even too much, dunno. You said that a pea size was applied, how big was the core compared to that pea?

 

yup thats what i did finished the tube but hey the results speak for themselves...yeah you need more than that when applying it to something that had a thermal pad.............

 

after doing two times the "proper" way, i then put a lot on and my temps are now good

 

Haha glad to hear Darth

This is why ICD7 is soo different. You can't just put a grain size on like with the other stuff. This isn't a liquid, more like a solid XD.

Good to hear it worked out for you .

 

Also, icd7 is safe on the motherboard, right? I think some might have got on it.

 

Hey,

Sorry for the delay in posting my results.

Setup:
Stock 7801u, room temp 20C.
Temps read with CPUID Hardware Monitor, after 2 hours at idle, or 4 hours load using Orthos.

Before:
Idle
- Tzs01 43C
- Tzs02 43C
- Core #0 31C
- Core #1 32C

After
Idle
- Tzs01 39C
- Tzs02 39C
- Core #0 27C
- Core #1 27C

Before
Load
- Tzs01 72C
- Tzs02 71C
- Core #0 61C
- Core #1 61C

After
Load
- Tzs01 66C
- Tzs02 66C
- Core #0 52C
- Core #1 52C

Delta T Idle
- Tzs01 4C
- Tzs02 4C
- Core #0 4C
- Core #1 5C

Delta T Load
- Tzs01 6C
- Tzs02 5C
- Core #0 9C
- Core #1 9C

 

Alright so I finally got around to applying the ICD7.

Seeing how it was my first time I was both scared and excited XD. This stuff is definitely hard to put on, but with patience you get used to it. I put more then enough on as I had done the CPU once, checked, cleaned, then redid to make sure I was on the right track.

I had enough to do the CPU, GPU core, the 8 memory blocks (to replace the thermal pads), and there's still a little bit left over if you guys think doing the Chipset is a good idea?

For the temps, at idle I put it on Power Saver mode, the fans were on Normal Mode, I had my Zalman NC-2000 cooler on high, and I left it for about an hour or so.

For the load I ran P95 and FurMark Stability Test for a good 2 hours of course in Performance mode and with my cooler on high.

Oh and my room was at a constant 18 degrees throughout the tests.

Now for the temps:

Before - Idle:
THM0 -> 40
Core0 -> 23
Core1 -> 23
GPU -> 40
HDD -> 37

After - Idle:
THM0 -> 35
Core0 -> 19
Core1 -> 18
GPU -> 33
HDD -> 30

Before - Load:
THM0 -> 70
Core0 -> 62
Core1 -> 62
GPU -> 90
HDD -> 52

After - Load:
THM0 -> 60
Core0 -> 50
Core1 -> 51
GPU -> 75
HDD -> 45

Delta - Idle:
THM0 -> -5
Core0 -> -4
Core1 -> -5
GPU -> -7
HDD -> -7

Delta - Load:
THM0 -> -10
Core0 -> -12
Core1 -> -11
GPU -> -15
HDD -> -7


And there you have it. I was amazingly surprised at how well this stuff does. It didn't help that they globbed on the goop to the gpu...it was a mess.

If you guys think it'd be useful to put some ICD7 on the chipset (which I believe is given the sensor THM0?) I will do that tomorrow

 

I don;t know how you guys are complaining about how hard to apply it. You don;t even need to spread it. Just put it on the dye and install your heatsink. It is that easy.

 

Its safe, dont worry.

Yes, if you have plenty for chipcet, then use it. But if you have a thermal pad now , then you have to calculate the exact portion of IC7 for replacment. Dont try it if you have less than 3/4 of the size of the actual chipset.

 

I received my ICD7 thermal compound in the mail yesterday, and today I had a chance to apply it. I'll post more complete "after" benchmarks over the weekend, but I can say that it has cut my GPU temperatures down by at least 10 C when running FurMark. Oddly enough, though, it seems to cool down more slowly than it used to, and the minimum fan speed seems to have increased; perhaps I need to apply more to the northbridge, or something. I'll check that tomorrow.
Note that that 10C improvement also includes cleaning out the surprisingly dusty heatsink fins -- but it also includes the "before" being taken in a 73F room and "after" being in a 76F room.

Actually applying the compound was a bit odd... it's more "plasticky" than most normal heatsink compound I am used to, so you have to pull the "syringe" straight up to drop the last bit in the right place.

 

I actually recommend really globbing it on there....a lot. Its non-conductive and non-corrosive, so you dont have to worry about getting it on anything. Although I'd make sure to wipe everything down after you finish because it is a bit sticky and all the dust and crap with cling to it.

When it comes to the chipset and graphics ICs (mostly on desktops)....anywhere you are replacing a thermal pad....remember, too much is always better than not enought.....its not typical thermal compound in that adding a lot is going to impede thermal performance, I have not seen that happen once so far, as long as there is a heat sink applying direct pressure to the ICD7 and IHS or core.

 

I agree, in my opinion this stuff is much easier to use than regular thermal compound. My company will be buying more when my sample is all gone.

 

Unless this was your first time replacing thermal compound, and so you don't know what *normal* stuff is like . But I concur, after putting down the first drop for the cpu, you get used to it's consistency, and it becomes quite easy.

 

Did you say somewhere that you are now using ICD7 on the systems you upgrade and resell on eBay?

 

Hmmm. I just finished putting it on my dv5z and reassembling the thing. I've seen no difference in idle or load temperatures compared to the stock compound/thermal pads HP was using. It still idles around 58C and peaks at 89C under load (using mprime). I guess the stupid heatsink/heatpipes are just too weak for this laptop/CPU...

 

Did you put on the amount required? I.e. humongous pea-sized glob?

 

"pea-sized" is a bit vague, but yes, I put on humongous globs. Or rather, coils - it comes out of the tube in a fat string after all. My dv5z had paste for the CPU and pads for the RS780M and HD3450. I had to use large globs for the two chipset pads otherwise they wouldn't even touch the heatsink. I checked with a flashlight after fastening down the heatsink to make sure the chipset was making contact; everything looked fine. I know that getting air trapped in the paste can cause problems, but how can you possibly squeeze this stuff out without leaving gaps from one coil to the next...

 

Start in the middle and work your way out, making a circle. If you have to make the blob taller, when you get the circle width complete, go on top and make a 2nd layer, this time going in. The paste should SOMEWHAT liquify itself together, there shouldn't be much (if any) air in it. If you look on the IC Diamond website they show how to properly apply so air doesn't get in, they also show how NOT to apply because air will get in if not done properly.

 

yeah i put a lot it............... didnt make much difference in idle but in load it did at least 5-7c difference

 

Yep minus Delta-Temps seem to be more noticeable at full load.

 

May be you guys are applying too much. I usually put a half corn size paste and do not even spread it. Just ehwn you put the heatsink apply a little bit pressure and make a circle with the heatsink. After that once you tighten the screws, you should be good. I was using a dynex brand AS5 generic before and the temp difference is significant. I will be posting some temps for P-7805 with P8400, T9400, T9600 and X9100 soon.

 

Agreed on the size for the CPU, I doubled that on the chipset as there is a natural gap there to fill. So far so good here too, just an awesome product........

 

I got my fist application done.

Q9000 Idle Temp Before
40c 38c 44c 44c

Q9000 Load Temp Before
55c 55c 57c 56c

Q9000 Idle Temp After
39c 37c 43c 43c

Q9000 Load Temp After
55c 55c 57c 56c

It stayed pretty much exactly where it was. This is ok and I sort of expected it to maybe happen.

First of all looks like a good AS5 application was in place before, not some cheap TIM. Second of all the fans have never reached 100% speed even before ICD my W90 handles heat very very well, so it only makes sense that even if I had a better TIM the temps would have stayed the same just the fan would be moving less often or slower.

I really should have paid attention to the fan speed before and how fast it falls from load temp back to idle.

I did take it apart after my first install to make sure I did a good job, I found the paste was evenly spread and well compressed and then installed it again before these tests runs.

So given that AS5 is already a high end TIM and that the fans have a modular speed based on temps it could actually be doing a better job.

I still am going to put it on my GPU's and test those as well, problem there is I have no fan monitor, only temp monitor, so it may behave the same way.

Even if temps were exactly the same as well as performance ICD is still reasonably priced and non-conductive making it safer for the average person to use. It was a pain to clean it off though when I re-did the install.

Idle Test - Just let it sit in windows desktop until I saw no or minimal flux in temps

Load Test - Large WPrime test with 4 threads running until temps no longer made any changes (would drop down 1c then go back up 1c)

For a accurate real world test though we need a fixed fan speed test.

Temps for each core on Everest Ultimate Edition.

 

Anyone know if samples are still being sent out? I had sent an email to Andrew over 2 weeks ago but have not heard anything back.

 

im not sure but i think its over maybe thats y he didnt answer back but not 100% sure........he is prob. busy

 

My company will be submitting an order for some tomorrow

 

Those are outdated instructions - solvent was removed from the formulation 2 years ago - use the website recommendations

 

Oo thanks for the correction, post edited.

 

Wish I'd known that was updated, I waited the 10 minutes before applying the HS. Guess it didn't hurt anything as the system is absolutely fine.......

 

well, 10 min. of mental preparation and meditation prior to mounting a sink may help, who knows...

 

4 tubes of ICD24 on the way

 

Maybe the 10 minute prayer helped a bit too...........

 

That's a lot of paste. Are going to sink the whole laptop case?

 

I am usually pretty free with the samples, but have found that to get somebody to post their results I get a better return from loyal forum members with a history of activity in the forum.

People whose first forum post is to request a tube almost never post results from my experience.

As this giveaway was getting the ICD24, a $20.00 retail Item the investment on my part assures some controls on who gets the paste.

It is sill open to those loyal forum members who would like to try it and post results.

And for those that have already posted their results thank you for your time and effort

Andrew