Overheating problem with P-7811!!

I'm wondering whether adding ventilation strakes to the underside of the HDD door would void the warranty. =/

 

I've found an easy resolution to a lot of the heating issues some people experience. I haven't really had any since returning the first laptop. The cooling and fans seem very efficient considering the chassis size. Since the battery hangs out the back, I find that placing the Crysis DVD Box about half way under the battery sideways, so that the box basically covers the whole battery(no more), elevates the laptop enough to get great airflow. If I place my hand under the right side below the fan, the table is cold from the amount of airflow passing.. and this also dropped temps about 5c on average. Then throw in a little undervolting and you're solid. As far as the HDD, I replaced mine and they run mid 50s with lots of use and gaming. No complaints here about cooling.

PS - See signature, if I'm running cool you can too!

 

actually laptop should work properly in the way it was made, without buying extra stuff. u guys talking about buying extra cooling pads, raising it lil bit higher, not puttin laptop on your lap and etc. so maybe i should not use it at all, just look at it like expensive collectable?
its like buying ferrari for 500 000$, but then u have to buy extra ventilation or extra cooling to keep the engine cool, and then dont drive at all or drive 40 miles per hour. that makes no sense. cant gateway make normal lappy? it makes me mad lil bit. i payed over 1300$, and thats a lot of money. first day i got like screen flickering problems, or monitor turning itself off so i have to do hard power off. today i get my video card to 105 celcius after playing only 20 mins of cod4. cmooonn.

 

You can run it the way it was made and not prop up the back end or get a cooler and it will be fine, it will just run hotter then some people like it to . Heat kills stuff faster and some people are more paranoid then others is all . You can use it on your lap but youll be cooking your own eggs in the process if your gaming, but surfing the web or watching a movie and it shouldnt be to bad.

 

Has anyone installed this driver? hacked 177.92 Vista 64-bit driver from LaptopVideo2Go.com. Still can't find what's the max temperature on the GPU.

 

Gateway is not a Ferrari, maybe sager or AW... I think Gateway it's most like a nissan 350Z with a twin turbo, HP chip, modified suspensions, racing air filter, rancing wheels and nice tires, that you can put side by side with a Ferrari, you just have to be a little caution with you don't wanna blow up your engines.

 

I haven't measured but I'm using a cooler most times that blows right on that area so I don't know how relevant my numbers would be... right now that area is only slightly warm to the touch (cooler off).

 

Most perfect metaphor!

 

First of all this laptop is deffinitly not the ferrari of Notebooks. It's a great midlevel gaming notebook and FYI $1300 for any gaming notebook was unheard of until Gateway came along with the P6831 about a year ago. All most of us have to do is elevate the back of the laptop to increase airflow. This doesn't cost anything. Use a book. If your gpu is going up to 105c then something is wrong with your notebook and you should return it (I'm surprised it's not fried now). I play cod4 at max settings and my gpu nevers goes above 65c.
Seanno
P6860,8800gts,t9300

 

I don't have any of the newer games (i.e. Crysis, Supreme Commander, COD4 or even WOW) but I did play CS: Source and the temps are very cool (under 55C even after 1 hour of playing) Is this normal? I assume that if I were to play a DX10 game my temps would go up?

Also, CS: CZ was under 50C. I even tried Diablo II and it never went a few degrees above idle.

I did, however, ran Freestone Group Video Card Stability Test

http://freestone-group.com/video-card-stability-test.htm

and topped out at 82 C after 10 mins of running on a flat laminate tabletop. WARNING: this utility can get your card HOT! If any of you has this utility, what temps are you guys getting?

Also, I guess playing a game doesn't necessarily run your card at 100% all the time. Is that why I'm getting lower temps running games than on the stability test?

 

Sure did, ran same test this morning for 25mins and it got to 88c , cpu was at 39c. Also on flat surface. Would like to know heat tolerances on this card Thx!

 

At least you know that your gpu is running stable because supposedly this test stresses your video card. Also, the test checks for artifacts as well as freezing and if it didn't report it then you're good to go I would think, especially after 25 mins.

I just ran the test for my desktop (Q6600 with 8800 GTS 320 mb) and it's running 10+ min right now at 84C with no probs (freezing or artifacts). Anyone else run this test?

 

My apologies in advance to any who object to this cross post but this seems the more active thread with more and better data points...

Alright, so I downloaded CPUID and ran some tests: with WoW running in a 1280 x 1040 window so I could watch the temp results I ran the same basic "kill a clefthoof bull" scenario with the 7811 flat on a wooden table w/ polyurethane finish (very smooth), inclined on my NZXT cooler but with the fans off, and then with the fans active but set to the lowest rpm.

Those who have suggested that just inclining the machine can make a nice difference were 100% correct in my tests. Adding the active fans helped even more however.

My numbers are maximum degrees C, average was usually the same or at most a degree less. The columns are flat, inclined, active fans on; enjoy:

ACPI 56 51 48
ACPI 56 51 48
CPU1 50 47 43
CPU2 50 47 43
GPU 64 57 56
HD1 45 44 43
HD2 44 42 41

From what others have said I guess I have a cool-running unit, especially in the hard drive area. Perhaps the active fans would do even more on a unit with higher average base temps, I don't know. I didn't run another test with the fans at full but just looking at it for a minute some temps went down a degree or two more by turning the fans up.

 

The GPU is capable of reach 90-100c without downclocking, depending on what driver you're using. I would hate to see mine hit 90c, and the *highest* it has gotten was 82c after some major OC'ing and benchmarks. But, for gaming and such it usually peaks around mid 70s overclocked.

Pulled this from another post of mine yesterday, I tried the 177.92 drivers and they were a disappointment, so try this andf enjoy:

I installed the whole package from Xfastest. http://pic.xfastest.com/z/NVIDIA%20%C5X%B0%CA/177.85/XFastest%20177.85%20Vista64.exe

This link should direct download, just extract and run setup.exe. It will do the rest. These are the best drivers period for the 7811FX. My 3dmark06 score jumped almost 400 points no OC'ing, no exageration, just 'cause of the driver.

EDIT: If you would like to try the other flavors for XP or 32 bit Vista, here's their page.
http://www.xfastest.com/viewthread.php?tid=12852&extra=page=1
Scroll about half way down, sorry it's in japanese but you'll figure it out.
These are desktop drivers modded for a laptop.. So it won't have powermizer, meaning your video card wont downclock and mess with your gaming. Also, these are very stable if you decide to overclock. Download the new PhysX from nvidia or laptopvideo2go.com and you should be all set. Should be version 8.something for PhysX. Lemme know if ya find the same success I did. Enjoy!

 

Thanks for the reply E-wrecked I will check on xfastest. Just hate too do mods right off the bat. I got this response from Nvidia quote:

GPU threshold is not a user-defined setting. Chip engineers have preset it. The normal temperature of the GPU is 65 degree C -70 degree C under load in a 72 degree F / 40 degree C environment. However, please note it may vary from one manufacturer to another. Hence, for more accurate information, I would request you to contact your laptop manufacturer.

So now I'm going to call Gateway to get more info, I will run tests again lifting laptop and also playing Crysis on high too get some numbers, but so far game runs fine just alittle jittery (to be expected) but i will play at lower settings and see how that goes. Laters!

 

Best of luck. And as a heads up..the Gateway shipped video drivers are "ok". However, they're already outdated. They're not going to allow for PhysX, which the GPU supports, and they are easy to restore in the event you dislike their replacement. I've tested and benchmarked approx 15 video drivers for the card.. The XFastest is by far the best gaming, benchmarking, and overclocking driver available. It actually dropped the GPU temp approx. four degrees celcius compared to the stock drivers. So, it's a win win for me. Let me know if ya get a chance to run them, and how it works out for ya.
Oh..and lemme know what Gateway says. The regular tech/script reader probably won't have a clear answer..but if they do, please share

 

Your right on Gateway tech guy, he just said "umm I'm not sure but whatever nvidia said sounds about right, we dont modified them err mmm" So that was a big help. Guess I am running alittle high.
Oh well I will run test and see how it goes...

 

your stock 3dmark06 should hit about 8700-8800 and your GPU should be around 60's..well, that's where I was at least. I never ran stock 177.85 Xfastest bench, just cause I have the x9100 in here. But, with this CPU stock drivers and clocks vs. 177.85 and stock clocks was approx 380 point difference. My bet is you get over 9000 with 3dmark06 and the 177.85 drivers. Would you mind comparing temps with HWMonitor, and results with stock benchmarks between the two video drivers? Would be a good reason to +rep

 

just ran Freestone Group Video Card Stability Test for 36 mins, max video card temp 77c, core 0 57c, core 1 50c. Flat surface. I guess overheating problems i was getting was because of lappy sitting on my lap. I raised the back of lappy while on my lap but still got hot temps so i guess 7811 doesnt like to sit on the lap, and that sucks cuz i am kind of dude who likes to lay down in the bed after long day of work and just browse internet and play games. i'll try cod4 for 30 mins or so on flat surface n see how it goes.

 

Just make sure the ventilation is clear of obstruction..there are two vents on bottom, one each side toward the rear. Lap, desk, small pet.. doesn't matter where you prefer to prop it up. Just keep the base vents clear, and the vent on the left which expels hot air should be clear as well.

 

I just ran the video card stability test for 30mins with prime95 (two threads) to load my cpu at 100%. The laptop was about 4 inches off the tabletop and here's what I got for the max temps:

CPU: 67C
GPU: 74C (175.80 drivers)
HDD: 52C (80gb Hitachi 7200 rpm)

 

Well I ran it again this time i put the Gateway manual in the middle of laptop, same driver with HWmonitor and this is what i got:
GPU- 72C
CPU-38C
ACPI-46C
HDD-47C

So quite an improvement in the GPU from 88C. I am downloading xfastest drive and will post after, laters...

 

Sounds like you're on the right track..good luck with it. And I'm not sure what others are saying, but I personally don't recommend a laptop cooler. I suppose it's personal preference tho.. just make sure you keep your receipt if you end up purchasing one, cause you'll likely find it doesn't help much. (Advance warning) Lemme know bout those drivers! Oh..and not sure if I made mention of it, when you reboot you'll find nvsvc.dll couldn't load, or something like that. Just go to your start button, type in msconfig, hit enter, click ok to edit or what have you, go to startup tab, find nvsvc.dll and disable..apply settings and reboot. Then you're solid.

 

Yeah I installed drivers but couldn't tell if they were loaded or not, this is what i show 7.15.11.7580. I also downloaded Physx but haven't had chance to test it out not till later today, thanks for all the info.

 

i beg to differ on this one....all depends on your cpu as well. i can run all them games, including crysis at all medium at 1920x1200 with a 8800m gts fine

 

Long time no see johnksss.. I joined your Gateway crew ;P

 

hey e-wrecked.

and yes...so i see. along with that nice 3dmark score as well. glad you went with the 9800 gts instead of the 9700. i was thinking of switching myself, but waiting to hear and understand about this heating issue. what's your take on it?

 

I lost this thread..oops. I think the heating is great..the cooling seems to be the occasional problem. Even with the x9100 in here, the machine runs cool. I know you saw my 3dmark pic with HWMonitor, that's not a bad temp to run with no OC.. I think people are just worried cause they're used to a desktop, or maybe cause of the Nvidia chip scandal, or possibly just being green to the scene. My dv9000 GPU would almost hit 100c, my CPU would be around 80c, and my HDDs, well I'd hate to know. That thing is still rock solid, and honestly I've never had HP give me any issues. I've had a couple problems with this laptop..this is number 3, but I'm being picky. Just cause I can. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna take this one back today..it has a dead pixel However, it seems to be the most stable of all so far. Anyhow, In my opinion, the 7811fx is a good buy, if you're not an amatuer user. Thank god I ran across the forum you used to frequent about BIOS OC'ing..it sparked my interest in tweaking and performance again, something I used to do years ago. Since, I've become an enthusiast again.

Short of it is, this is a solid computer. If ran stock it will likely never have any major problems. GPU OCs very well, Extreme BIOS support and RAID would be nice, but RAID is overrated. I'm done tinkering with it..and now know what it's capable of. Time to use the hell out of it. I highly recommend it.

 

Is overheating a constant problem with the P-7811fx? Are there tests I can perform to check to see if it's a bad GPU.. or will I need to install all of the temperature monitoring software?

 

yes, my dv9 series ran very hot for most of the time, but when i put the t9300 in and cleaned the fans...it toned some of the heat down...

as for raid, dont use it. so im not missing anything there, but the extreme over clocking would be nice.

we'll see once the replacement comes or they fix this one.

yeah, some one sparked mine as well...that's why i came in the first place..lol

just run hwmonitor and watch your temps with that.

 

It's amazing how many people are worried about this thing overheating..it runs extremely cool if you use it properly. Hell, I jammed an extreme chip in it, OC the hell outta the GPU, and it still runs cooler than the HP. Does everyone expect it to run at 40c MAX under stress? Get a liquid nitrogen cooling system installed..you may even run a bit cooler.

 

hahahahaha.

im good with it running anywhere from 43c to 80c's depending on what im doing. and just because its a laptop doesn't mean ill be using it on my lap. LOL

still wonders how many people really game with this thing on their laps. if you do and can rank high..i tip my hat to those folks!!

and to the rest of the world..put something under the battery to raise it up about 1/2 for extra breathing and you'll be fine.... watch what a little extra air can do for ya. and it's free!

 

I say put all the innards in a double-walled vacuum and use a peltier cooler for the cpu and gpu. Then you wouldn't have to worry about condensation...

 

BRILLIANCE! I LOVE IT! +rep for you!

I repped you the other day.. tells me to spread some love

 

Hi guys. I just bought one of these about 3 days ago. I'd like to know if any of you folks have had issues with mercs 2 and bioshock. Both games are causing complete system lock ups. Mercs 2 is the worst of 2 so far but I can't play more than 40 mins without a system hang. No, it's not on my lap, venting is fine with ac on.. I've ran a few stability tests and the system only craps out when playing games, max gpu temp was 80c. Comments? I'd like to know if I should contemplate turning this one in for a new one. Thank you.

Hitman bloodmoney and death to spies function fine as they should for being older.

sorry, this was covered n/m.
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177.92 seems to have fixed my problems. Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

Does your charging block have groves in it, or not?

 

I was just wondering what's the average degree your GPU should be when.. say.. playing Call of Duty 4 on Max Settings is?

I played for about 20 minutes and the highest it got was 81C

Is that too hot? It's sitting on a desk.. I really don't feel like returning it.. unless that would be considered a bad GPU...

 

80c is no issue, enjoy you notebook.

 

Sounds good. Thanks

 

heatsink was probably not seated like it should have been.

 

Was this in reference to me?

 

Well I just played counterstrike (cz) for about 2 hours and cs: source for about an hour with no probs. I know these aren't the best games to put the 9800 thru its paces... but I had read here that some users were having problems even running 2D games.

FYI, I also had a notebook cooler (lapcool 4?) on top of a flat desktop. Temps were running no higher than 55C.

 

And what temp would that be? CPU? GPU? HD? ACPI? Core? Water in the bath tub?

I'd say we need to pay attention to temp discussions by a guy with FIRE in his name.

 

i would have to agree with focusfre4k... more than likely it's the way the heat sink is sitting or that one of the pads on the north bridge is not sitting right. the north bridge alone can add about 20c's to your temps alone...

 

Sorry syngensmyth, but I thought it was clear that I was referring to gpu temps. My bad.

55C GPU temp

 

what was focus freak referring to ? ? ?

 

Very good point. Most laptops can benefit from some tweaking in the thermal area ... some more than others.

LOL It may have been clearer to me if I had been reading through the posts but when you just pop in on a subscribed thread who can remember with all these threads going.

But people are commonly giving temp numbers around here with out defining the source. It drives me crazy and I went off the deep end for a moment. Plus I was just kiddin' you a little.

My favorite is "My laptop is too hot!" or "My laptop is not hot!" What the heck does that mean.

 

So 80c with CoD4 max settings.. = Non-Defective GPU?

 

My lap is too hot!

 

I would never question this!:

By the way, I'm not that kind of guy and care nothing about such information.