T9600/t9800

Hey guys,

I have a question about changing cpu. I have been looking at ebay for either the T9600 or the T9800. which one would be more bang for the buck? Also there are various version (there are the first Engineering sample, final engineering sample, and oem version). the prices also differs as expected. Being a new buyer, could some experts here tell me where i get get these cpu close to the ebay price, lower than retail price.

thanks in advance

 

I think the best price/performance cpu for your gateway is the t9300

 

If I were you, I'd buy this right now. It's a retail chip.

 

thanks dood.. any indication that it is a retail chip? really good deal if it is a real retail chip

 

Easy, the CPU-Z screenshot shows no (ES) on the Specification line.

Compare the T9600's to my ES T9800's:

 

cool thanks! just sent you a pm asking!

would anyone here consider a T9800 if the difference between the T9800 and the T9600 is around ~$100-$120

Thanks

 

No T9600 all the way. Not worth it for 130MHz.

T9300 doesn't fit dondadah88.

And don't buy off that eBay seller - he sells BGA CPU's which have been repackaged as PGA, which is not good.

Also E0 is the latest stepping of the T9600 which is now being used in OEM so I would bet that the CPU-Z image has been 'shopped or it is an old OEM chip that doesn't correspond to the chips he is selling. If that chip was OEM he would state it on the advert. It's omission speaks volumes.

 

iaTa, which seller do you recommends and how much $$ is reasonable. if it's uncomfortable to speak about it, just hit me a pm.

Thanks

 

I buy all my QS CPUs from extremeprocessor on eBay. Very reliable and good prices, you can haggle a bit with him too. I buy in bulk to get even better prices but you should be able to get a T9600 for about $270 ish.

Or you could even go for the P9600 which runs at 25W instead of 35W like T9600 and T9800. That's what I'm going to put in my 7811/7805.

 

the P series seems to have a lower speed compared to the T series?? Are the P series the downclocked version of the T series, hence enabling the lower wattage?

 

T9600 is 2.8ghz (35W) and P9600 is 2.66ghz (25W) I believe.

The same question with me. T9800 or T/P9600???

 

I think I am going with T9600 due to the bang for buck factor.

 

t9300 does fit in the pm45 mobo.

 

I agree here. The only reason I have the QS T9800 is because the person I bought it from (not an eBay seller) gave me very near T9600 pricing, near enough for it to be more cost effective to purchase the faster chip. Otherwise I would've just bought the latter.

Hmm, you must be right, that is a bit suspicious. Nice catch.

Would you mind explaining the danger of BGA chips, as opposed to PGA?

 

The danger he's talking about is the repackaging that is being done. The seller is taking a BGA (Ball Grid Aray) chip and soldering on Pins to make it a PGA CPU. The danger is the Pins can easily break off rendering both the MOBO and the CPU useless. Not worth the risk to buy something that is being disguised. And if he is disgusing this fact, then what else is going on?

 

well this may be a dumb question but when I get a cpu that is a higher wattage should I also get a more powerful power brick, bc aren't ours a little weak anyway, or is that bs?

 

Nah, there's only a 20w difference between the P8400 and the Q9000. Not enough to stress a PSU.

How do you guys spot that it's a BGA, just from that auction page? I'd really like to learn this for my future knowledge base.

 

The 35W rating is the thermal envelope for the stock speeds. It's the TDP for the chip and it represents the maximum ammount of heat that needs to be disapated by the cooling mechanism before exceeding the junction temps. English means it doesn't really consume 10W more, it can be above or below that amount.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_Design_Power

As far as the brick goes, I don't know. I'm still reading about that issue.

Also since I'm here, the socket for the Gateway's is Socket P correct? Not FCBGA6? I'm guessing it's PGA since I haven't seen anyone mention BGA except to watchout for re-pinning.

 

Useful info guys thanks. And yes it is Socket P, at least I know it is if you are talking about the 7811 or any of the similar fx.

 

I'm not 100% sure with what's listed there except for the stepping issue of it being older. Only real way would be to get the batch number or part number and look it up on Intel's site. But a seller could easily make that up.

I also take it iaTa has been burnt or watches this guy from time to time.

It's hard to do from a computer. Sometimes you don't/won't know until you put it all together and power it up.

 

No I haven't been caught out by him but I know of people that have. He actually states on some of his adverts now that the chips are repackaged BGA. The average user however does not know the consequences of this. The only way of knowing for sure is to get a photo of the actual chip you are buying, or at least all the details from the top of the chip such as the sSpec code and reference that to the Intel Processor database. That is if the codes haven't been tampered with to reference the PGA equivalent. Just stay away from that seller really.

That's absolutely right but in my opinion the drop in MHz is worth the reduction in temperature and power requirements. The P9600 is an excellent CPU with that speed/power ratio.

 

so iaTa, you'd recommend the P9600 for a nice upgrade from the p8400?
Or you think its not that significant of a boost?
Just wondering if i gotta go all out for the T9800 or not =P
And buying the ES chips don't have a big problem right? Was taking a look at that seller you linked, and most of his chips are ES or QS chips.

 

If you prefer lower temps / slightly longer battery life and don't mind a slight hit on max MHz then go for the P9600. As someone who has been running a hot X9000 for the past year or so I know what I'm going to choose 2.26GHz 3MB cache to 2.66GHz 6MB cache is a nice upgrade. You can eBay your P8400 too.

As long as you get a C0 QS or E0 QS stepping then you'll be fine. E0 is preferred due to the speed path improvements (higher speed bins and thus lower temps) but I think the difference is very slight.

 

I am thinking of snapping up the T9600 instead of the T9800 due to cost factor... iata, you were right, for a 130 mhz speed increase, I have to shell out close to 100-150 extra dollars is not worth the money, so I'll contact with extremeprocessor and try to get the t9600. will update!

 

Sounds like a good call. Just stick to his QS chips, and you'll be good to go.

 

This thread is superinformative!!! I had a problem of choosing the right cpu for my long-awaited 7801u and now everything's pretty clear!
Appreciate

 

So far my t9600 from extremeprocessor QS version is running super and i haven't noticed temp increase from my p8600 but then, i never paid attention to it cuz it was always too low to matter... playing WAR for a couple hours never got past 55c though and internet use (right now) its 29-30c. and my 3dmark06 went up from ~9500 to ~10700 very nice

 

Bought my T9600! he gave me free mx-2 thermal grease as well

 

nice i shoulda asked about that too... you'll be very pleased. The more i think about it i got pretty drunk after i installed mine and was playing WAR. Usually durring large battle 100+ players on screen things would get choppy i don't think they did at all last night. i'm going to pay attention when i play tonight.

 

Just purchased my p-7805u and am looking to upgrade to the T9600 or T9800..how did you folks who acquired the CPU from extremeprocessors pay him? Did you Bank Wire the funds?

Your input is greatly appreciated!!

thank you,

dsy

 

Is the price gone up to 375 + 15 shipping US$ for the T9600? Or am i looking at the wrong cpu.

See link below:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-Mobile-Core2-DUO-T9600-2-8G-6M-FSB-1066-SLB47-CPU_W0QQitemZ350139570920QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item350139570920&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

 

If you're ok with engineering sample - then go http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-Core2Duo-...4|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50

 

Avoid that seller husky. He is selling as if it is OEM but it's actually an ES at inflated prices.

 

Thank you iaTa, I am an admirer of your sticky for some time now. It's the best place for drivers and most up to date.

If I remember correctly, you really like extremeprocessor that's why I went there.

Please let me know who to deal with as I have been taken by ebay sellers before.

 

That is the same as my link!!! LOL!!!

 

No it's not. Click the link you'll see that big difference.

 

Thanks for the kind words.

Your original link however referred to a seller called "osstore001" - that is who you should avoid. extremeprocessor I highly recommend.

 

I'm curious too! There was a post in the HUGE P-7805u thread about someone trying to deal with moneybroker and they won't deal with US customers. He had to bank transfer the money.

 

extremeprocessors is an ebay seller... PAYPAL!!!

 

Yeah. Let me bang my head against a wall for that!!! LOL :laugh:

 

t9800 is too rich for my blood... an extra $100 or so dollars for an extra 130 mhz

 

Thanks guys. My mistake. iaTa and Azamatka, you were both right. I got confused at the Ebay.UK and could not find extremeprocessor at the US Ebay at first. Somehow I got confused.

Does it make any difference if I buy from the US or UK Ebay?

Much appreciated.

 

should be no difference... I never buy things outside of US ebay before

 

husky55 - all apreciates go to iaTa straight He's the guy-who-knowz here

I'm getting my long-awaited 7801u tomorrow, it's gonna be, presumably, the one and only 7801u here in cold and snowy Moscow )) And in some two-three days extremeprocessor guy gets my order for 25W p9600!

 

My temps havn't changed with the the t9600 and i rarely have my machine unplugged so i dont need the extra 10-20min battery (guessing) so i highly recomend the t9600 for the xtra power.