TZS0 safe temp

I don't really know what the safe operating temperature for a northbridge should. Right now, both TZS0 and TZS1 are about 40 when idle, and 57-62 when gaming. I am for sure going to send my computer in for repairs at some point due to the problem a lot of the 7811s have where TZS0 gives a reading of 98c, but if the actual temperatures are too hot, I might have to send it in sooner than later.

 

Your temps are fine if you are using it without any escalating. If you prop the back of the computer an inch or so you should go down to low 30s. TZS0 problem occures when overclocked. Try undervolting.

 

it may be a waste of time to send it in for tzs0, i don't think they "actually" do anything for ya, other than take your notebook away from you for a couple of weeks...

 

Propping it up won't do anything. I already have it on a cooler. And if sending it in won't do anything, I have no choice but return this and get a new notebook. I'm not going to waste my time with hardware that doesn't work and a company that won't repair it.

 

good luck. hopefully you don't get put through the ringer

 

With electronics, I'm used to it. I have not bought one piece of hardware worth over $100 in the last 3 years that has worked properly on the first try. I've been through 2 laptops in that time, not counting this one, 3 DS lites, 2 Wiis, 3 HDTVs (different manufacturers), and surprisingly only one XBox 360, which just broke a week ago (thankfully I don't use it anymore). And I actually do everything I can to maintain my things.

 

I'd say get rid of the cooler. Undervolt it and it will work like a charm. Now if you don't want to do it, return it.

 

agreed. I've never liked coolers, they always seem to make my system run warmer. Your temps are WELL in par tho.. just kick the cooler and prop the rear. Oh, and I PM'd you with the link..
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=308076

 

If somebody could tell me why CPUID isn't working, then I might be able to undervolt. Using RMClock might work, but it takes away the .5 multiplier. If I got a new processor w/o a .5 multiplier, I could undervolt fine, but that would probably kick out more heat anyway. And I don't know what you guys are talking about, the Zalman cooler is incredible. Lowered my GPU temp by 4-5 when gaming, but it lowered my HD temp by 10 over my last cooler, and about 20 from no cooler. That's Celsius too. But yeah, I've decided to try the copper mod, which E-wrecked is referring to. I have to be able to take care of my own stuff, and this is the first step.

 

Huh? 40c is high for them at idle?
Mines a 50C for both of them and I have firefox, yahoo messenger with a voicecall and webcam chat up right now, and AIM running. So not exactly Idle but nothing to intensive.. That to high for them than?

 

I don't know if that's too high. They'll survive sure, but when I got this, they were in low 30s when idle. Now their in low to mid 40s.

 

Prop up the back of the cooler
That way the components are still being cooled and heat is rising to your advantage.

 

Has your room temperature changed since its becoming spring time?
It has for me. In the winter my room stood at 68degrees F. Now its at around 75F usually and it bumped my temps up 2-3C. But your talkin 10C+.. Have you cleaned the vents and fan?

 

Just to test this, I unplugged my nc2000 and watched HWMonitor. The temps climbed up, went from 24c to 31c and then I decided I had enough. Plugged it back in and turned it back on. Only a few minutes later theyre back to 24c. GPU only increased by 1c when I unplugged the cooler. TZS0 increased by 5c. Keep in mind, I only unplugged it for 2 maybe 3 minutes. The back is still propped up, so this difference is comparing a nc2000 turned backwards and propped up VS the p7801u with the back propped up.

 

No room temp hasn't really changed. And I have a new cooler now (the back is already propped up). I clean my vents and fan all the time. I'm pretty sure it's the thermal padding turning to crap. All my other temps are lower now than they have ever been before.

 

Everyones temps will be different, but if it makes you feel any better my TZS0 idles at 40c also, maybe a tad cooler if I hadn't played any games.

 

If mine started there, it would make me feel better. What I know is I have a situation that is getting worse. It is safe now apparently, but it will get worse if nothing is done about it. So I'm doing the copper mod.

Oh, and I worry about temps a lot because my last 2 laptops died because of overheating problems. I'm ashamed I let it happen a second time, and I'm definitely not going to let it happen 3 times.

 

Here's a simple troubleshooting solution before spending hours on copper modding it.. Buy a can of compressed air, open her up and clean out all exhaust vents and fans. Then see if you still need to mod.

 

You don;t need CPUID to get RMClock to work. Don't forget to select mobile CPU in the advance section. You may loose 100mhz at most but gain stability and power efficiency.

 

I didn't know about selecting mobile CPU. 100mhz wouldn't be that bad. I don't know how much I was losing before, but it was a lot more than only 100mhz. Enough to lower my 3dmark score even after I OC'd the GPU.

Oh, and I'm going forward with the copper mod. The cuts have been ordered. The vents and fans are clean as a whistle. There's just not going to be an easy way out of this. But that's OK. If I can get all the stuff this week, I should have plenty of free time to do it. Besides, I already put on my man pants and decided to do it, and man pants can't be removed until the job is done.

Edit: Ok, the undervolt seems to have worked. I guess I'll run ORTHOS for a while to make sure it's stable. I did only a modest undervolt to 1.025v on the 8x multiplier. I could probably go below 1.0v if I wanted. CPUZ is showing the voltage a little higher than RMClock is showing it, so I don't know what's up with that. And yeah, I seem to have lost about 100 mhz, but if that's really all it is, I should be OK. CPU usage is never 100% for me anyway unless I'm running ORTHOS or the CPU part of 3dmark. Will this cool off my other components as well? If it's just the CPU, then there might not be a point. I've never seen my CPU go over 51C, even after like 2 hours of ORTHOS. I am a little excited to see if my new cooler will keep the temp lower though.

 

So it's been about 45 minutes since I started the test. No errors so far, and I think it's pointless to go on. Neither core has gone above body temperature so far, and I doubt they ever will. But this isn't actually helping the one thing I need it to help, which is the northbridge temps. They are still in the mid 50s. I think I'm going to stop the undervolt, as my CPU temps could be 20 degrees higher and I still wouldn't really mind. Right now I'm just basically downthrottling my CPU. I guess I'll set to GPU clocks to 698/988/1798 and run 3dmark06, just to see if this is actually doing anything. This whole situation is so counter intuitive. No matter how much I cool my CPU, TZS0 doesn't seem to be affected, even though they share the same heatsink. But if I overclock my GPU too much, even though it's not on the CPU/northbridge heatsink, TZS0 spikes.

 

I got 9200 on 3dmark06 at the clocks stated above, but that's less than I could get if I turned the clocks down a bit and turned off RMClock so that my CPU could work at max speed. I'll run Far Cry 2 for a while now, as that's the actually meaningful benchmark to me.

This is the first time I've ever got through 3dmark06 on those clocks without a TZS0 spike though. I don't know how much of that is the Zalman and how much is the undervolt.

 

mine got up to 81c at highest after running 3 hours of prime 95 test.
it stays around 45-50c idle and around 65-70c while playing games.

 

You should get some AS5 for it. It decreased my idle temp by 20C, and the temp when under heavy load by almost 40C.

Oh yeah, I ran a bunch of games and stuff, and it looks like it performs about the same when I undervolt and overclock the gpu to 698/988/1798 as it does when I don't undervolt and overclock to 650/900/1700. For Far Cry 2, it's a little faster actually, but for Fallout 3, I take a pretty noticeable framerate hit. Flash games also run slower, and I play a lot of those. I think I'm going to stay with the modest overclock with no undervolt for now. Once I get my copper in place, then I'll try for the full overclock.

 

am i suppose to put thermal grease on that rubber pad too(i am talking
that really cpu-size chip located right side of cpu)?

i was talking about tzs0 and tzs1 temperature not cpu.
my cpu(x9100) idels at around 30c and go up to 70c highest after hours of running prime 95.

 

NO!!!!!!!!

Sorry, needed 10 characters. But it's that important anyhow. You'd severely regret it.

 

mine idles around 45-50C and never goes past 60C when gaming, but my pad ripped and i think i'll need a new one 'cause it used to be cooler.

 

You can undervolt that CPU to 0.9V at the max multiplier and it is not throtling your CPU. It is just slahing 100mhz from your CPU. Your tzs0 temps will always be higher than the CPU temps. After 45 minutes of Orthos 50C is not a temp to compain about. Try running the GPU with the 650/900/1700 setup and use the CPU undervolted. You will see that you are not loosing much other than the heat.

 

How about for T9600 ? Would you recommend same 0.9V?

 

Ok. I just saw some graphs, one of which said CPU core speed and throttle. And it just seems to be that I play a lot of CPU intensive games. With FC2, I'll admit it's better to use the undervolt, but with Fallout 3, most flash games, and Morrowind (which apparently uses the CPU to render all of its graphics ), I get better results with the CPU running at full speed. But I'm hoping this will all become irrelevant when I put in that copper plate.