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    To all X7800,X7900, and X9000 users.

    Discussion in 'Gateway and eMachines' started by narsnail, Aug 5, 2008.

  1. narsnail

    narsnail Notebook Prophet

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    What are your temps like? mine are idleing around 50C and maxing at 85C. This normal?
     
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    Are you running it stock or are you overclocking to 3.0 ghz?
     
  3. Dook

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    I'll find out around 3pm EST tomorrow, if Ill have legs left or just charred, burnt nubs. :D

    The couple of 7800 owners Ive talked to, seemed to dictate 85c as an average max temp.
     
  4. narsnail

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    ^ thanks dook,

    i actually found out the problem, i broke the fan power cable where it comes out of the monitor hinge. I just stripped and soldered both ends, taa daa it works, it alot better now. idleing between 45-55C now and maxing at 80C. This is at 3.0 now as well.
     
  5. Dook

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    OH wow. That its really good news! I was beginning to worry about your situation. Very glad you got it fixed. I'll prolly OC mine to 3ghz and see how much I can UV it to keep the temps as low as possible. OC and UV generally dont go too well together, so we'll see.
     
  6. narsnail

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    im going to try to undervolt as well,its very humid right now so it is contributing to the heating problem.
     
  7. royk50

    royk50 times being what they are

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    congrats and welcome to the fx X club ;)

    maxing 80c @3.0ghz is quite impressive
    mine goes easily to 90+ on 3.0ghz i never allowed it to get past 95 though.

    you tested with orthos / TAT ?

    last thing can you check the state of your c1e (enhanced halt state cpu) mine is disabled (???)

    [​IMG]

    and do change your SIG :)
     
  8. Citizen86

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    ^Agreed with royk50, you're going to want to stress test it to make sure it actually is stable 100% at those speeds and what temps they get to. Granted, TAT will work your CPU harder than it will most likely ever be worked, but it'll be a much better indicator if it's stable that KOTOR (I think you posted that in another thread ;) )

    Anyway's run one of those programs for a little bit and keep an eye on the temperatures. When I had my desktop and was overclocking I would run it for at least 8 hours to make sure it was stable.
     
  9. narsnail

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    its still overheating, at 3.0 it shut down after about 3 minutes.

    im back at 2.6 and its not really helping.
     
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    Hello narsnail!

    I have X9000 (Not ES!) Overclocked to 3.0Ghz and after whole day of playing Mass Effect it maxes out at around 70-72C and after whole day of playing WoW it maxes out at around 64-65C. (Mass Effect use 2 Cores, WoW use 1 Core)

    My idle CPU temp is at around 42-43C. (The temperature in my room is 28.2C!)

    Is your X7800 retail or ES? Because some ES CPUs don't have Thermal controll.
     
  11. narsnail

    narsnail Notebook Prophet

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    bought it because it said it was not ES, but it is an ES.
     
  12. Citizen86

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    I thought you said it was maxing out at 80 now... is it going higher again?
     
  13. DRevan

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    Did you buy it from Ebay? Did you buy it from "genius_heart" ? I buyed my "first" replacement CPU from him (A T9500) but I was notified later that it is ES (This seller is ONLY selling ES CPUs!!) and it does not have Thermal Control! The ES T9500 at 2.6Ghz runned at the same temps (maybe a bit higher temps!) than my not ES X9000 at 3.0Ghz ! (ES T9500 maxed out at 67-69C in WoW, X9000 maxes out at 64-65C)

    You really need a lot of luck if u wan't to buy a non ES CPU from Ebay :(
    I would ask for a refund.

    p.s: What was the price ? I solld my ES T9500 here in Hungary and I ordered the X9000 from an UK seller...I was a bit lucky because it is not ES and it only costed $425 (Whit Express International shipping).
     
  14. narsnail

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    yes, it is fluctuating so bad, now its maxing at over 95C at 2.6. i think personally my cooling is messed in my laptop, i will throw the T5450 back in to see if its my laptop or the X7800.

    it was 308CAD shipped for mine. its says SLA4F on the chip and not ES, but in CPUID and other programs it says its an ES.
     
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    Yeah you gotta ask beforehand if it is. I messaged genius_heart about his X9000 for sale and he told me it was an ES. I had to ask though because he didn't say that anywhere on the Ebay page :rolleyes:
     
  16. royk50

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    x9000 is cooler than the x7800 just like a t9300 is cooler than a t7700, no surprise there.

    narsnail, what temps you get in orthos /tat @ghz ?
    who you buy from? (if you got an email saying it was not an es, i think you can returned as it is not the item you bid for) - i thought it was clear it was an es just like mine.
     
  17. DRevan

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    Lol how is that possible? Where did you got it from shipped?
    It sounds like it is a fake "chinase" copy because if the CPU is ES they write that on it. (Like this: ES CPU )
     
  18. Dook

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    LOL. There is no such thing as a "fake chinese copy" intel CPU. Fake iPod, yes. CPU, negative. But I agree that something is amiss. Perhaps the seller re-labeled it.
     
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    yep i decided to keep quiet on that :)

    can you imagine the expenses it would take to fake a c2d ? lol
     
  20. Dook

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    HaHa! I know, right?
     
  21. royk50

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    would like some update here....
     
  22. Dook

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    Ok. My x7800 is in. OCed to 3ghz with NO uv, I idle at 46 and max at 86 using Orthos (TAT doesnt work on 64bit). I am currently running UV tests right now.

    EDIT: Ok, it looks as if 1.250V is the lowest this particular processor will undervolt. Anything lower causes STOP failures in Orthos(Although the system doesn't crash). At 1.250V the max temp is 79C. and the idle is 37C-39C (After 3 Orthos runs)

    Here is a pic of the last Orhtos run and this is the max it got to even after 2 other 30 minute runs.

    [​IMG]



    To be honest, the laptop is barely warm on the bottom. I figured it'd be scorching hot. I have on a pair of shorts and am currently running Orthos(and have been for 45mins now) and its not hurting my leg in the least. I am very impressed with this processor thus far!
     
  23. Dook

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    Here's my 3DM06 score. No video OC or system tweaking. The highest temp I saw was 66C.

    [​IMG]
     
  24. narsnail

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    ok so put the T5450, ideling at 44-50C, same as the X7800, maxes at about the same as well, no joke. My cooling system is amuck. Any suggestions?
     
  25. Dook

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    Is your fan turning on at all?
     
  26. narsnail

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    yes it is, doesnt sound very loud tho, like its not running very fast, i have fan programs running and im making sure my fans are at max. Would having the heat sink bolted on too tight be a problem? i could see why it would be.
     
  27. Dook

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    I dont think you can bolt it too tight, as the standoffs put it at exactly the right height. Plus the little screws start to strip. This is very weird man. What did you use for thermal paste?
     
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    some star tech stuff, has silver in it, like the same as artic silver. anyways update, I undervolted the T5450, to 1.1, dropped temps 15C at max :) i will try it with the X7800 now. Oh and the X7800 actually has SLA6Z not SLA4F on it.
     
  29. Dook

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    Cool. I would definitely undervolt that beyotch. I was stable at 1.25, so I would recomend that as a start. I ran out of AS5 and bought some "silver" stuff from Best Buy and man, it works great. It wouldnt surprise me if it werent just a re-packaged tube of AS.
     
  30. narsnail

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    ugh this is BS, the higest option i can get to UV is 1.2125, and as soon as i test it out with orthos is jumps to high 90's.
     
  31. Dook

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    Yea. Somethings definitely up. Are there any scratches where the heatpipe touches the cpu? How about on the heatpipe on the way to the cooling fins?
    If not, then as much as I hate to say it, you may have a bad CPU.
     
  32. narsnail

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    if its not an engineering sample, i can get a new one correct?

    and i really do not think it is the CPU, i had my laptop shut down before with other CPU in it from heat.
     
  33. Dook

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    If its not an ES, then yes you *should* be able to.

    I, also, do not think its the CPU. Theres something weird going on with your cooling. If you get bored, snap a few pics of your heatpipe both connected to the processor and also disconnected. I wanna take a look at it.

    Also, did you purchase your 6831 new or used?
     
  34. narsnail

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    it was open box, but before i took it apart the first time it was idleing at 30c and maxing at 50c.

    Also i just took a quick look at alpinex's CPU upgrade guide. There are supposed to be to springs in two of the screws...i dont have those, i think they fell out. This could be some of the problem. I am going to fully dis-assemble, like I mean the ENTIRE THING, tonight after work and search for the springs/ get rid of dust, etc. Wish me luck and cya all at 9.PM eastern time.
     
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    Good luck!
    I lost 1 of the springs too, but I made a new one from a reqular pen spring. :D
     
  36. Dook

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    Cool. Good luck man!
     
  37. royk50

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    Narsnail - b4 you take it apart, some guys reported they didnt have the springs.
    dont want you tear it apart and find nothing, maybe turn it off nad shake it lightly to see if you can hear anything inside.

    Doook good temps better than mine, damn you :)
    your first picture suck ass i cant see anything there, post another cpuz this time better res. and if you can run everest ultimate or anything similar try find out if your C1E is enabled.

    edit *** ok from decrypting you pictures i found our cpus are close brothers :D
    same family same ext family 6 f a 6 f e1
     
  38. Dook

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    LOL! I was thinking about that pic as well. Its kinda hard to read. Ill update that bad boy and include some Everest goodness.

    Everest: C1E Supported/Disabled. Bastages.



    Visually Enhanced CPU-Z :D
    [​IMG]
     
  39. royk50

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    anyone with a different cpu can check this c1e ?
    i wonder if its the cpu or gateway bios thing....
     
  40. Dook

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    I'll bet its the CPUs. I can't remember, is yours an ES too?
     
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    sure, we (they) are brothers.

    [​IMG]
     
  42. Dook

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    Roger that. I just realized you said that earlier. (DERRRRR!!). I'll bet thats one of the features they disabled on the ES' for some dumb reason.
     
  43. royk50

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    now one last thing how in the hell do you manage to uv your chip ?
    as you can see from my cpuz rmclock is as useless as sun protecting lotion in cave full of vampires. :mad:
     
  44. Dook

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    If i remember correctly, CPU-Z v1.46 is bugged and shows incorrect voltage. Use v1.41 and/or the rmclock readings.
     
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    everest ultimate show exact same readings as the cpuz 1.46 while my rmclock reading are more like ... ran out of metaphors for today ... crap
     
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    here is mine, i snuck away from work, being in charge is good :)

    [​IMG]
     
  47. Dook

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    Wow. Thats a weird voltage. What exactly happens when you try to UV w/rmclock. Nothing at all, or does it just crash?

    Yeap. Looks like were all brothers. :D
     
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    yep big happy family (well some of us are happy ;) )

    narsnail how did you get that core vid ? uv ?
    does youre rmclock and cpuz volts show the same values ?
    the lowest i've seen is 1.213 on x6 1.2ghz :confused:

    ok managed to get something from rmclock by running that "RMClock_Tweaks.reg" now it actualy works but still big differences between cpuz & everest to rmclock.

    under orthos i max@81 / TAT@84

    [email protected] caused bsd, 1.875v stable - cpuz/everest reading is 1.3v

    [​IMG]
     
  49. Dook

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    rok, 81 is good, Glad you got it working. I still dont understand why the big difference in voltage on your system. Thats definitely weird.
    Can you humor me and download CPU-Z 1.41 and see what you get?

    I'm gonna try to get mine a bit lower, as well.

    EDIT: Not happening. After about 3-4mins at 1.375V, Orthos errors out. So, 2.50V is the lowest it will UV, which is fine with me. The funny thing is, the max temp is actually lower than when at 1.375V.
     
  50. royk50

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    mind u its @2.8ghz
    u have same [email protected], did i curse you b4 ? ;)

    btw a vicious rmclock hack :
    unlock the voltage by the registry
    [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RightMark\RMClock]

    "UnlockVid"=dword:00000001
     
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