Unofficial Gateway P series 6831/171S/171X/171XL Lounge

I think I saw somewhere else on the forums that multitouch isn't supported on our touch pads. I may be wrong though.

I'm thinking of getting an x9000 for my 172 (no rush, I still want to get 2x320 HDDs first). What's the lowest anyone has seen for them on ebay and such? I've been tracking it for a few months and prices seem to have gone from approx. 500 to approx. 400. I've seen a buy it now for $350 but I'm holding out for a 174 QS. Once prices hit about $300, I may shoot for one. Has anyone else noticed a roughly hundred dollar drop since november or is it just me?

Edit: I've been wanting to ask, what's the difference between 174 ES and 174 QS?

 

I'm pretty much positive the FX line up doesn't support multi-touch (at least none of the drivers I've used allow of it) I think its a hard ware issue that our touch pad just cant make use of the motions.

As to the x9000. Its going to be a while before they drop sub 300 level (if ever) I got mine for 380 shipped and it was a great deal. Anything around there is a good deal i think.

CPU's hit a bottom after a generation or 2, and take for ever to get any lower than that. When Nehelam comes out the Penryn CPU's might get another drop, but don't expect anything major. ALOT of people still happily use those computers (remembering not even a year ago the x9000 was the top of the line CPU so its still up there power level wise)

ES Chips don't have temp sensors, QS chips do. Well certain lines of them any way. The earliest ES chips don't have temps sensors and the later ones and the QS ones do. Mine was labeled as an early ES chip, but i don't think the seller knew any better because i ended up with a QS chip... so I'm happy

 

May have found a work around for my sucky external eSata speeds. I tried a friends cheapo BB Dynex Express card 2 port adapter. Huge difference over single built in side port using same drivers. 23 vs 68 MB/sec! 438GB of music, 1h 23m, eSata to eSata

 

Huh, interesting. I forget what I said earlier, but I've seen my E-sata do 35+ mb/s, maybe up to 40, but yeah, never seen 68

 

Could you post your HD Tune graph? The 68MB/sec was for burst, avg was 85MB/sec.

thx

 

Thanks! If your getting this direct then I oviously have a hardware or driver problem for my side port. I'll go back and delete the port from hardware and try again. How are you showing temp on the external drive? Niether of mine registers temp.

cheers

 

If I may ask, is this a retail enclosed eSATA HD or an internal drive in an aftermarket eSATA housing? I ask because the Seagate part number listed in the graph is for an internal HD. I seem to only get speeds comparable to USB2.0 with my WD 1TB external drive...

 

Hmmm! Your getting just what I get with both Seagate/WD externals...and you have the 6860FX.

 

It's a seagate 7200.10 500 gb desktop drive in an antec mx-1. I bought the case for my 2nd hard drive when I sold my desktop rig to buy my Gateway. It's actually pretty big to carry around, since it has an internal fan, heh. But I'm pretty sure the mx-1 has an internal heat probe for monitoring temps.

 

Makes me wonder if the bottleneck is the external drive rather than the laptop...
I may have to disassemble my WD 1TB and put the drive into an after-market enclosure (rated at 3Gb/s) and see what happens. I think the eSATA port on the lappy is only rated for 1.5Gb/s...

 

This is just what I have done. However both of my external drives suck when using the built in port, both are three times faster using Express Card slot with same Sil 3531 drivers as internal drive bays. As pointed out on 1st post, the internal 2.5" drives blows the doors off anything plugged into my side eSata port.

All my drives have built in temperature sensors with SMART monitoring, however temperatures are only reported when using internal drive bays not, AFAIK, external cases ie, USB or Firewire interfaces.

I'm going to look for a eSata cable to plug in right drive bay directly to 3.5" drive when time permits.

 

Well hush my mouth. I have an old 500gig WD MyBook USB that is out of warranty and has fallen off a table..but still works fine!

My brother has a Thermaltake Drive Dock so I bummed this and golly! I have near Citizen86's speed with temperature and SMART reporting. It's the enclosure interface! Big DUH!

So, the Seagate FreeAgent XTreame and my WD Caviar in a $30 Newegg enclosure suck with their current chip sets, only with the side port, but work fine through my Express adapter. Note that both my external enclosures have three interfaces, FW,USB and eSata.

I will have to e-mail Thermaltake to find out which chip set they use.

Well, I still have use for the Express adapter as this makes eSata to eSata a breeze and is fast. For anyone else you may want to check interface type if you want fast speeds through the side eSata port.

Here's one; http://www.antec.com/usa/productDetails.php?lan=us&id=77150

cheers

 

So, if I understand you correctly, the inexpensive enclosures and the turnkey drives (ie: My Book) both limit bandwidth using the FX's built-in eSATA port but have better bandwidth using an ExpressCard adapter.

Meanwhile, using a better enclosure gives greater throughput on the FX's built-in port.

Is this correct?

 

True, it appears the problem is the chip set used for the small interface board in each respective enclosure regardless of price. This is the same problem as with firewire, way back, till things got sorted out.

I get great thru-put with the Expresscard so I would venture our Gateways are using first generation chips as well.

My MyBook was USB. I yanked the drive out to test in drive dock which obviously has the same eSata interface chips as citizen86 Antec drive.

So you would want the same interface chipset used in the Thermaltake drive dock or in the Antec drive enclosure. The homework is to find which other enclosures use same chipset be it Pacifica, Oxford911 or other. Try before you buy.

good luck

 

Cool!

Yes, I am aware of the Firewire 800 (1394b) chipset issue. Bottom line: GET TI ONLY!!!

Of course, the chip in the lappy is the Agere (read "CRAP"), so you have to get an ExpressCard with the TI chips to get complete Firewire800 goodness....

 

so, can i under volt the x7800 or just the T9300? i'm just wanting something to run kool!

 

you can undervolt any cpu
if cool is your thing go with the t9300

 

I just found this site. Great info for Gateway owners here. I just picked up a Gateway 6831fx. It is used, and it has XP on it. It did not come with the original OS disk, which I assume is Vista Home Premium, 32 bit version? Anyway I am sick, and prefer Vista. Is there any kind soul here that would send me a copy of the original OS disk? I would be happy to pay shipping/send you disks to replace yours.
I am going to this from a Dell E1705 with a 7900GS and I am hoping that it is a nice step up for gaming. I do like Cod5 and my Dell drops to around 15fps in a full server with lots of action at 1440x900 resolution. Does anyone know what kind of frame rates in Cod5 to expect out of the Gateway? This one does have a 2.2gig processor in it.
Thanks in advance.

 

Pretty much any CPU can be undervolted. But yes if your wanting great performance and ice cold temps the t9300 is definitely your best bet

I have mine i can send you. I'm pretty much a full time Linux user now so i really don't need the vista disc (by the by it comes with x32 and x64 versions of vista) Once you get 10 (or maybe 15) posts feel free to PM me the address that you want the disc sent to and i'll get it to you.

 

Thanks Kamin_Majere, I will get back to you in a little while.

 

I haven't undervolted my T9300. My CPU fan only kicks in ocasionally when gaming or encoding. Orthos is another story. I guess I should get off my lazy end and play with this some.

I want to undervolt my GPU Half the temp and same performance!

 

offtopic question:

what do you guys use to clean your screens?

cleaning solutions?
types of wipes?
how you clean it?
how to dry?

im looking for something that wont leave streaks.

so far i've used windex, and plain ol water

but still leaves streaks and looks awful when the laptop is powered down.

 

I got LCD Screen wipes from Office Max. It is pretty streak free.

 

I use a shammy. Find a very soft one and it does wonders on cleaning screens without needing any solution.

 

Hey guys, do you know witch notebook cooler is the best for my P-6831fx ?

thx

 

Quick question gurus. I recently bought and have been anjoying the ASUS W90-X1 and have been thinking about upgrading its proc. to the QX9300. That leaves me with a spare Socket P T9600 laying around. Does anyone know whether I can plug that T9600 into my 6860-FX ? Any help would be appreciated.

 

Unfortunatly the t9600 is a different socket P than the 6860 uses. You can get the t9500, t9300, t8300 etc, but the newer motivena socket P's arent backwards compatible with the santa rosa mobo's
sorry

 

There was a huge debate about whether that CPU would be compatible. Basically everyone says it would NOT be compatible, but one or two thought it would.

Sh1n1ng Forc3 could finally prove them wrong once and for all!

 

Yeah Altunity figured out the Motivena P socket will accept the santa rosa CPU's but i thought someone had already tried it the other way around and found it was a complete fail.

But hey i might be wrong and can slap an x9100 or t9800 in my 6860

 

No I'm pretty sure you can't, but maybe you weren't around for that useless thread a couple months ago...

Found it! Completely useless....
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=306877

lol, solon = troll

 

Yeah i must have missed that one. Of course we all had a go of it as the 7811 was introduced with motivena and i cant remember how many round that bloody arguement went.

Glad i was on NBR vacation then apparently lol

 

thanks for all the help guys

 

Actually someone did try it at the end of that thread.

Basically PM965 = 800 FSB CPU's
PM45 = 1066 FSB

Simple