hmmm... x9000 in 7811? ***?

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-GATEWAY-P-7811-FX-2-8GHZ-X9000-9800M-GTS-WUXGA_W0QQitemZ300260331118QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300260331118&_trkparms=72%3A1205|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

either this guy is pulling a fast one or he has made a typing error.

 

lol...wow. search for the user alitunay on these forums. he's made a few posts saying that he's bought some x9000's and installed them in some 7811's.

 

nah it should work, he posted cpuz and an impressive 3dmark06
no reason it shouldn't work

 

newegg claims that the 8400 fits in my 6831fx

I am not exactly certain at this point that the two sockets are any different.

Id certainly want to be 100% certain before I bought one of the new montevina cpus.

If it physically fits though is the first barrier that seems to be the case correct? The two sockets are exactly the same physically

 

Dude, don't be harsh on me. I am here to entertain your desires. You want to know if x9000 works on 7811, I make it reality. You want to own one, I make it real too.

 

they're both socket-p.. it would fit no problem. A couple months ago when the Toshiba Qosmio x305 was first released with the p7350, the first montevina chipset publically available.. I dropped my T7500(santa rosa compat/merom CPU) into the MOBO. It worked fine..the montevina chipset is backwards compatible. However, the p8400, to the best of my knowledge..won't work on the older chipset. The CPU won't downclock it's 1066MHz FSB, unlike the MOBO which can with montevina. speculating of course.. but then again, before I dropped my t7500 into the montevina board, everyone said it couldnt be done either. Maybe you should be the next test dummy.

 

lmao!

this is the only way we are gonna get the answers we need. well...most anyways....lol

 

answers for what??

And yeah... I agree there shouldn't be a problem... Same socket, it's like taking a new desktop quad-core LGA775 processor and trying to stick it in a motherboard from 4 years ago... it won't work, I guarantee, even if it is the same socket. But if you buy a new Asus Rampage Extreme or whatever they're called, you could stick in your legendary Pentium D 805 and it should boot up no problem.

Motherboards are usually backwards compatible... as long as they're the same slot type.... usually.

 

until some one goes and does it, no one knows for sure. it's all hearsay. alitunay and e-wrecked both proved a few people wrong about being able to
run an x9000 chip on the new platform. but if you called to find your answer...you would have gotten: "please insert your gateway restore dvd and hit f10" or "we can't answer that" or "send it in so we can look at it"

make sense now?

 

haha sorry, not trying to give attitude or anything, I was just curious what you meant because you didn't quote anyone or anything. But yes, crystal clear

 

oh..nah citizen86. *LOL* it's not like that at all! you are right, i should have quoted someone. hell...dam.n near anyone for that matter..*LOL*

 

Hey guys, I put a X9100 in mine from a guy I got in China for about 450. Raised my 06 from 8650 to 9340 and programs and games run better

 

im willing to bet that they dont have this chip on hand...but who knows...

http://www.virtech.ca/detailProduct.php?str=IN-H06100343

 

meh... i'm waiting for my 12 core 5ghz Extreme CPU that runs at 7.3w TDP and is undervoltable to .00275 volts.

I think its been proven that some of the older chips will indeed work in the new computers. I think its usually the 800mHz chips though. But as of the time i was argueing against the compatibility it appeared about 1/2 the time it would work and 1/2 the time it wouldnt.

Though i am wondering if the 7811 will be able to run the quad core...it should but thats no guarentee. If it can though i wonder if they will be able to clock the QX9300 to 3.0gHz. It might be time to upgrade earlier than nehelam if thats the case.

 

yep, so i have been reading. that's a good thing. because now i can just use my x9000 till they come out with the quad core. no need to waste money buying another dual core... unless of course...i sell this one. then i would be needing an imediate replacement.

 

Yeah, quad cores are coming pretty soon to laptops... that's exciting! More and more we don't really need full desktops... except for those GTX280's and 4870x2's

 

Yeah, the x9000 should last a good long while. When i get my next notebook (nehelams die shrink timeframe) i'm hoping to still be able to get 600-800 dollars out of this rig to pay for the nehelam extreme mobile quad (yay 32nm architecture and no FSB)

Give it time...give it time

 

yeah, i have a gtx280 and all i have been using it for is to...browse the web....lol

debating on whether to go to best buy and get the 7811 right now....decisions....decisions....

 

Why would you need the 7811???? Your laptop is better already..... you even have the WUXGA screen

 

us undercover techno geeks like to be in with the new...*LOL*

 

Well fair enough. But even all fully upgraded like your current one, all I can see you getting is a die-shrink of your 8800m GTS...

What I think you should do is pick up a netbook and see what you can do with that in terms of upgradability, lol

 

that 9800m gts (according to e-wrecked) is pulling 11 k's for 1280x1024 where as mine pulled in at 10k. im thinking them extra gigaflops (80) along with being a g94 and and not g92.... makes me wonder if it's more than just being "rebranded"

edit: and is not messing with them "girlie" "put in a purse" computer..*LOL* i did the small stuff for a while..got tired of it... now im all about full size.

 

Same CPU and speed? Don't quote me but I think the 9800m GTS is clocked a little higher... if that's worth a whole new laptop to you, well... that's up to you

 

Ya i wanted the new one and luckily my friend wanted my 6860 but i took bath on selling it but at the same time i wanted the NEW as well so i said what the heck. Go grab one john and get to backing up that bios ASAP .

 

If I lived in the States I would probably consider buying it for the WUXGA screen and selling this laptop, but I think I may just buy a WUXGA screen later down the line... I already have a T9300 in this one anyways

Now if we can only get this laptop overclocked we'd be GREAT!

 

new=montavina
old=santa rosa

new=quad
old=maybe

new=1066 bus
old=800

making more sense now?

 

Ya i had a Wuxga and a t9300 in mine as well hehe thats why i took a bath on the deal when i sold it.

 

and you already know this....MAYNE!

*LOL*

 

same here...started with the 1.8 ghz then to a t9300 and jumped to the x9000 after that. started with a 1440x900 screen and jumped to a 1920x1200.

and anything else is interchangeable. like the bluray and hd tuner. just would buy the bluetooth nano till i got my hands on an internal module.

 

the DVD drive is now sata so dont think yours is going to work.

 

dam.n! why you shooting down my "big" hopes and dreams for? *LMAO*


dam.n....another upgrade..... or usb version........what to do.....

edit:sata huh? they should make a case so you can add a 3rd hard drive...now that would be nice.

 

you know, had i not bought a ps3 a couple of days ago, i would have offered to buy the blu-ray drive from you....dammit.

 

Hmm never thought of that lol it could probably be done . i pulled mine out the other day as i was thinking of getting a slot loading drive for it but guess what !! they dont make slot loading sata drives for laptops lol.

 

Good point about the 1066 bus, I had kind of forgotten about that. But don't forget that it also uses the more expensive (for now) DDR3 memory... and I would say no promises for quads on either laptop, although there's probably a better chance with the 7811.

 

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but I just found this and gave it a read through:

Gateway P-7811 FX: We've Got Upgrades

Anandtech does a direct comparison between the 6831, 171XL, and the 7811. I do like how much better the battery life is on the 7811, that could be a definite consideration.

 

quads will run on it for sure.
ddr3 is not cheap, we agree there, but then you already start out with the max. plus it's 800mhz and not 667mhz



on a side note...can anyone check to see if that sata cdrom is built in or an attached bracket. thanks!

 

@johnksss
Traitor

If you decide to go the 7811 route i wish you luck. Just remember to get the second gen release due to crap BIOS and all in the first one.

Also
please dont forget us We still want 3.2gHz+ clocks and a PLL overclock and your our only hope

K_M (keeper of the 6860)

 

Just pulled mine out 2 minutes ago again to see if the sata connectors are the same but there different from HD to DVD .The sata connector of the dvd is part of the circuit board from the looks of it

 

Not quite

G.SKILL 4GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 667

I'm just wondering what ACTUAL max ram is on this chipset...

 

Doesnt work on the 6860 unfortunatly. We're pretty much limited to the 4gb max. The Clevo laptops can get up to 8gb but your only going to bet about 6.5ish gb used. it appears that the chip set's physical maximum addressable space is 8gb. Hopefully that will change in the future and we get laptops with 12+gb addressable space (i love RAM)

 

That's what I was wondering... I did a quick google search but not much came up. I have seen the Sager website with one of their laptops say only 6.8Gb addressable though. Is it for sure that our FX's max out at 4gb?

 

They are using a very special motherboard to get that. Just as desktops are limited by their mobo's we are to. Most "normal" motherboards are only going to support 4gb, the Clevo/Sager/whatever appearently have a motherboard that no one else has that can support 8gb of RAM. And they dont even offer it in all of their builds so i have no idea where it was made or who made it.

The OS and CPU's out currently are only limited by the coding in them. A 64bit architecture only maxes out at like 1.6exabytes of addressable space. So there is ALOT (just to say it again) ALOT of growth room. The problem is nothing available currently is taking advantage of the almost unapproachable ceiling that our current architecture has

 

7811 supports 8gb of ram per everest.

 

Where do you find that? I have everest, I would like to check this chipset

Edit: Found it, North Bridge is PM965, says maximum memory amount is 4gb. shucks.

 

seems we are jumping on wording again.
so ill rephrase it. "as of right now", you can only use 4gb under a 64 bit os and when they decide to come out with the update, you will be able to "utilize" 8gb "if" the OS or motherboard or bios lets you do so.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2328026,00.asp
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/gateway-p-7811-fx.aspx?mode=specs

they seem to be thinking as how i was thinking. im only talking about the now. at this present time. it's 4gb. centrino 2 does support 8 gb, but that does not mean the motherboard will or bios will. remember.. it takes a 4 gb chip, which not a whole lot of motherbaords can claim to do. let alone laptop motherboards.

edit: other side of the story. states that it will do 8gb
http://ark.intel.com/chipset.aspx?familyID=35515

states that it will do 4gb
http://ark.intel.com/chipset.aspx?familyID=28116

so now the last part of all this is.... who will be the test dummy to see if in fact it will "read" 8 GB..... we already know you can't use anything above 4 gb (64-bit) 3.2 gb (32 bit)

 

nah, i wouldn't forget ya'll. and it seems they had no answer to the gpu bios question over at evga either (another thread we are on).

and im still waiting on an answer back about the pll. i looked at the coding, but um...i wont be changing that....just yet...*LOL*

 

haha how ironic....

As of "right now", there are 4gb sticks... of DDR2, which will fit in the 6831, but it can only take 4gb max. The 7811 can accept 8gb, but as of right now, there are no 4gb sticks readily available.

Oh well, when they show up and are a reasonable price.. 8gb (if you can use it), would be a pretty nice perk upgrading to the 7811.

I'm starting to see your point johnksss... I just needed some extra info I guess Wasn't meaning to be confrontational, just at first glance didn't seem like 7811 was enough to buy a whole new laptop over, especially if you have all the upgrades already.

 

thought you was getting on me there...lol so i had to dig up the facts you we're looking for. your just keeping me honest!.

that ark.intel.com is a very good source of info... depending on which version we have...it "should be" backward compatible and able to run ddr 2 800 (speculation of course) i just don't have a 4 gig chip laying around to test the theroy.

 

I would assume that the new chipset of the 7811 would only be able to use DDR3.

 

if the chip set can run 677/800/1066 (which the pm45 can) then chances are pretty good it will run ddr2 800 as well (speculation of course)

edit: well would you lookie there.... guess that answers that.
http://www.intel.com/Products/Notebook/Chipsets/PM45/PM45-overview.htm