xps1330 copper mod would work on a fx ?

have a look at the following guide

from the sound of it, should work just the same for our padded chipset.
(cough.. narsnail...cough...tzs0....cough...98c)

your opinions gentlemen.

 

It's funny you bring that up because I have something very similar planned.

 

This will definitely work, we just need the correct measurements if ordering custom cuts.

 

ok.. well, I've gone through many sources to find the thermal pads..and they aren't an easy find. However, I think that many people could find this site beneficial. These are thermal pads, specifically made for applications such as the Chipset.. http://www.chomerics.com/products/thermagap_g974.htm

This link overviews the Therma-Gap fillers.. I am ordering the 976, as it has the most heat transfer capability, and seems to be ideal for the situation. The data sheet gives a side by side comparison of the three, and I am excited to see it work out!

The best part of it all.. IT IS FREE. The "Request a Sample" link allows you to place a sample order.. And it only needs your FedEx account number to do so. Im using my job's account #, and I'll just pay the bill for it. I chose the 976 .60" thick, 4" x 4" size.. and I'll let y'all know how it works..when it arrives. otherwise, copper mod..here I come.

If you wanna do a copper mod..here's an inexpensive online retailer that will cut the piece to your desired size. Pick your size! The C101 seems to be the post pure copper, and oxygen free.. So, this *should* be the best option, unless I read the description wrong. Maybe ya find it helpful. I spent $12 and ordered 6 cuts.. .5" and .7" widths..Then .04", .05" and .0625" thicknesses.. just in case I need to tailor it..I figured variety is good. Anyhow, lemme know if someone else here manages to complete the mod.

+rep royk..very nice walkthrough u found there.

 

fast on the trigger as always let us know how it worked out

 

How about this:


It's not a shim, I modded the heatsink by adding a copper pad. After ensuring it was flat (lots of lapping) I then used thermal epoxy to attach the copper permanently. I then had to lap the exposed surface of the copper pad. Sorry I don't have all the pictures this is the only one that kinda turned out.

 

Wow amazing work Warlord ,truly amazing . You should offer to do this for cash im sure you may find a few takers . You will have to let us know the results of your fine work Asap.

 

im doing this but with aluminum foil, and its a quick fix, just so it doesnt over heat.

ps nice mod warlord, was thinking of doing the same thing.

 

Copper mod will work on gpus that use the crappy blue thermal pad with horrible thermal conductivity.

Do NOT use the copper mod on regular gpus that just use thermal paste or else it will crack the chip.

Thermal conductivity of that pad 4.0 W/m-K

Guess how much copper can do?

 

Actually, the 976 is 6.0 W/m-K.. The other's are 5 and 4.. but, I believe copper is like, three times that..no? *pulls number out of @SS*

And Warlord.. that is BEAUTIFUL! I want one as well! Looks like you polished that thing with wax! It glistens, it's smoothe, and I bet it will work amazingly. How long that take you?

And, what are your measurements for the copper?

 

Im anxious to hear the results Hope they were good for all that hardwork.

 

I'm still daydreaming about the beauty of it. I had wondered if it would be possible to make a mod like that..and even link the copper contact area to the copper thermal pipe..that's prolly a bit much. But, it is still gorgeous. *drools*

 

It didn't take too long maybe about 2hours or so while watching TV. I cut the copper myself but I don't remember the measurments other than that the thickness of the stock is 0.025" before sanding.

As far as cooling, it works as expected. I'm configuring the RAID -0 on my laptop so I can't run any tests right now. Although I played Devil May Cry 4 for a bit before hand without any issues.

 

you will have to run some hardcore tests to let us know how it wall went . id rep ya again but i repped ya for the wallpapers already .

 

guess I have a lot of sanding to do with this incoming copper eh? .025"? Dang.

 

do we really need to do mods like this to keep the unit cool or would just a simple annual arctic silver replacement do?

 

nah, I just prop the back of mine up while gaming. normal desktop use is fine on the desktop(no pun intended)

you have to remember you are throwing one **** good videocard into something 2 inches thick. thats like having *** in a cardboard box that an LCD monitor came in. it works.. just gets hot after a bit.

 

Ceramique is actually a pretty decent TIM. The stuff is a pain in the *** and a half to spread (good luck getting just the amount you want out of the tube, too), but if you stick something on top of it, trust me, it'll stay there*.

* not that it's like glue, it just has more "hold" than AS5. Did have one scare with an nForce2 chipset once, though. The hold that Ceramique had between the northbridge cooler and the northbridge itself was so amazingly airtight that the ****ed cooler was practically vacuum-sealed to the board without retention screws. Trying to remove it, I thought I was going to rip the northbridge off. =/

 

You can't use AS5 because there is a gap left by removing the thermal pad. Your best bet is to not do anything that could cause damage to your thermal pad such as removing the heatsink.

This has nothing to do with GPU or CPU cooling.

 

warlord1 how did you decide on the 0.025" thickness ?

 

Since I didn't have my thermal pad anymore I couldn't measure the gap. I did find a post with someone using a 5mm thermal pad. That would be 0.020" but since I needed extra material to lap away to ensure a flat surface I went with the next largest thickness availible.

 

i dont think im going to be able to do all this with my lappy. would it be ok if i just leave it as it is and just prop the back for better air circulation?

 

yep, I have a lot of lapping to do. heh.. the thinnest one I ordered was .04" - You had a chance to test it for performance, Warlord?

 

What sort of tests do you want?

I can say that while ripping a DVD with the CPU and converting another DVD to *.mp4 with the GPU I get temps of:

TZS0 51°C
TZS1 48°C

 

Did you ever have any issues with tzs0 before? And do you have a comparison of before/after? Im just lookin for some insight.. It's too beautiful a piece of work to not perform well.

 

No, I had no issues other than I ripped the thermal pad and had to replace it. So I just went to the hardware store bought the parts and fixed her right up. If I didn't have to do the mod I wouldn't have.

The 6860 doesn't seem to have the same issues with ACPI temps as the 7811.

 

not with the stock cpu

 

Especially not undervolted. I'll know eventually.

 

Hmm.. last night I found that toying with the windows power settings will determine whether or not my CPU downthrottles, and whether or not TZS0 hits 98c. I didnt finish tweaking it.. but did realzie that if I drop the CPU MAX to 99%, and then toyed with the minimums on battery/on plugged in, I could stop the downthrottle..and the temp peak. Gonna fool with it a bit more.. And on another note, the thermal pads I ordered yesterday came in this morning. They look kinda.. different. It's a gold/yellowish color, and it looks to have some strange texture. It's a soft material, and I'll try to post pics when I get a chance. I'll let ya know the outcome. I'm waiting on the copper now!

 

Well if you end up messing around with the copper take your time, it's a lot of work.

I don't know if I made it really clear but the only way to make sure that the copper is flat after cutting it is to lap both sides (not to mention the aluminum heatsink). That's right! Even the side of the copper that isn't visible is flat, smooth, and shiny!

Oh and for a temp update:

TZS0: lo 39 hi 50
TZS1: lo 44 hi 51

I was using an older version of HWMonitor before and it was giving high temps. RMClock would show the cpu @ 40 degrees and HWMonitor would show 65!

 

where do those fans suck air from?

-edit...was probably a bit harsh

 

uhh............

 

thats cool that you want to get more heat transfered over to the heatsink. but you need to realize without proper airflow over the heatsink your not going to benifit at all

 

yes and you should feed it power and have an OS installed

 

royk, I beg to differ.. you can get that thing hot without ever making it to an OS. *BIOS likely spikes my TZS0

*see sarcasm


*sarcasm- insincere comment in regards to another insincere comment. Often a retort, or a smart@SS remark. Can be used in conjunction with another person's sarcasm.

 

hmmm can you prove it ?

 

yes?

 

Yes, propping up the laptop may help with cpu/gpu temps but that's OT. This mod won't do anything to help cool the cpu or gpu, it addresses high ACPI temps.

The assumption for this mod is that the ACPI temps are high because the thermal pad does a poor job of conducting heat from the northbridge to the heatpipe. Fix the interface between the northbridge and heatpipe and the cooling system does the rest.

 

no, it will help cool the CPU for sure, the northbridge AND the CPU share the same heat pipe for transfer, so better transfer means less heat dissapating beside the CPU and in the general area, effectivley heating it all up..

 

That fine but can you clarify? What will cool the cpu? If you're saying propping up the rear of the laptop then that may or may not be true but that's not the point of this thread.

Also, better heat transfer from the northbridge doesn't mean the whole system will heat up. Heat from the northbridge and CPU flow into the heatpipe and and are removed by the cooling fan. More heat is transferred into the heatsink, and removed effectively meaning the system will show lower temps while the heatsink will be warmer.

It's the whole reason people lap thier heatsinks and use better thermal compounds; to remove heat from the system into the heatsink and dissipate it by means of a cooling fan.

 

6860's really never had a heat issue... it was the 7811's

 

im more so talking about the mod.

I know how the coooling system works, thanks.

and I have been having heat problesm ever since I took the thermal pad off, even with my T5450 so its not my X7800. Im just saying I have no heat transfer at all, so that is why it is so hot all the time, and this mod should get rid of those problems.

My cpu is also very hot because of the extra heat no being transfered by the heat sink. Maybe its actually not that hot, but the sensors are showing it as rediculously hot and shutting down because of all the heat generated by the northbridge.

 

say narsnail....did you check to make sure that all them little resistor chips are still there??? i had a friend in another forum that had the same problem, but he went back and looked and he noticed that he broke one of those tiny chips. which through his sensors into the high 97+ category. so he took it back and got it exchanged and no more problems.

 

see the thing is i had not had any heat problems until i took that pad off. so it cant be that

 

In conduction, heat goes from high concentration to Low. That means it's impossible for the heat from the northbridge to be transferred to the heatpipe and then into the CPU. I don't believe you know what you're talking about.

 

he tore his as well, but he also didn't realize he broke one of those little chips as well. when removing his heatsink....

 

ill look into it, anywho this mod should solve the problems.

 

yes, lets hope so!

it's no fun having to baby ones power hungry beast of a bargain!..*LOL*

 

and I was also thinking about this idea.

The fact that there is no heat transfer between the northbridge and the heatsink, could be the reason my CPU is "overheating". It makes sense that the extreme amount of heat being created that is not going anywhere, could just bw the sensors saying the chip is a certain temp.

Im just having trouble finding a place around here that does custom copper cuts.

 

that's a definite yes. if that northbridge is not cooling it throws the cpu and tz sensors into over drive.