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I'm trying to decide the same thing myself. I can say though that after following the ghost thread on this site for quite some time, the pro version does get into the low 90c for both the CPU and GPU when stock (no fan profile change or undervolt/underclock)
After seeing the 91c CPU temp on that p35w, it might just down to aesthetics and build quality between the two systems

 

To me, the choice between this and the gs60 is whether you care for the optical drive. This has one, the ghost does not. If you dont need it, I personally would go with the ghost for the smaller frame despite perhaps having a little more issue with heat. If the optical drive would be beneficial to you, then this would be your laptop of choice.

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To me, the choice between this and the gs60 is whether you care for the optical drive. This has one, the ghost does not. If you dont need it, I personally would go with the ghost for the smaller frame despite perhaps having a little more issue with heat. If the optical drive would be beneficial to you, then this would be your laptop of choice.

This is assuming portability is a concern. If it is not, then I urge you to look at bulkier laptops as they offer better bang for buck.




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You get a better CPU, more GDDR5, the choice for quad storage and standard mSATA slots.

 

CPU difference is completely negligable and so is the extra vram. I suppose those other differences could be of some value to people, but for me dual storage is enough. I am not looking at either of these laptops really as I'm looking for an 860m maxwell laptop, but if I were the optical drive would be the deciding point.

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True, but even though it might be negligible for normal users it is still extra "value".

 

The comparison is a little off.
The reason you're running-in cars are mechanical ones. The sealing rings need to be adjusted to the pistons. That's why you shouldn't overdo it in the first 5000km.

Since the only somewhat mechanical part inside the gpu is the thermal compound, which ist made specifically for those temperatures, it shouldn't be of any importance to start slowly.

 

Isn't one of the main differentiators the price?
At least in Germany the P35W ist considerably (~300€ cheaper than the GS60 Ghost Pro.

Btw: I chose the GS70 Pro, which is equally cheaper, has the bigger screen and otherwise very similar specs.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about or referring too.:confused2:

 

That's where you're wrong my friend.... Heat sinks have particles in them that transfer heat from one particle to the other, if you slowly start using the system they allign better and transfer heat in one form. Rather than blasting the heat. For example cpu and gpu themselves it's ok to push them cause the components are made out of gold which are great conductors. But heat sinks aren't

 

I missclicked the reply with quote button, see above.

 

Thanks for your report.

Do you have any evidence for this or is it your hypothesis?

It will be interesting to see if you see any throttling, when you feel comfortable pushing your laptop.

 

Mh, up to now I'm not convinced. As long as the heat sink is pure copper there shouldn't be such an effect. Pure copper has a thermal conductivity coefficient which is independet of any running in, since the thermal conduction happens mainly via electrons.
But maybe there are some effects I didn't learn in or remember from my physics studies.
If there is some literature on that topic I would like to read that.

But for now, I don't want to hijack this thread.

 

You're talking about heat pipes, and CPU and GPU dies are made out of treated silicon.

There is no evidence to suggest that using the system slowly will make anything "align" better.

 

Weighing around 5(???) lbs this is a little-fair bit heavier than other ultrabooks in this category however, is it a chore to carry around to classes, etc?

 

They both cost around 1800 in the us, I am talking about the non 3k version ghost mind you

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5lbs with the OOD.
4.7lbs without OOD.

 

That screen is gorgeous man...

 

Don't play with my emotions like that man! It looks amazing

 

That's from my understanding of metals and particles.....
And btw could literally give you minor burns if you touch the top while playing crysis 3
That's my temps at crysis 3 look at the max temps

 

He's talking about heat treating. Metals aren't a uniform material. They're arranged in crystalline grains, which don't align perfectly and thus inhibit heat transfer (not much, but a bit). Heat treating realigns and grows the crystals, making them bigger and improving heat conductivity a bit. It also stiffens and strengthens the metal in the process. But if you heat it up too much, the crystals start to decompose and the metal weakens, which is why you break in car engines. A heat-treated metal can withstand higher temperatures before this weakening begins, so you want to heat an engine up gradually over time to give the crystals time to form.

Unfortunately, 100 C is nothing for a metal, and I doubt it has any heat treatment effect. And I presume the manufacturer would have already done any easy heat treatment of the metals.

 

This ist exactly how I see it, depart of the break in of car engines, since to my knowledge it's mainly because of the seal rings, but that is another story.

 

Nice temperature there.

Can you test Crysis 3 again but with the CPU turbo boost turned off(Set the CPU to 99% in the power management, or using intel xtu)?
CPU will run at max 2.5GHz.

I bet it will reduce the temperature of the GPU quite significantly without sacrificing performance too much(probably 10% max).

Thanks.

 

Thanks WhiteBoySHady for this information!

Although the temps of the CPU seem to me a bit high, but therefore seemingly stable at 91. (The same CPU temps can be seen on the P34G v2)
A maximum GPU temp of 85°C in Crysis 3 would be as impressive as strange, because the GS60 with very similar conditions (chassis, same cpu and gpu) reaches low 90s on (demanding) games according to many reports.
And even with the provided undervolting vbios from user 'Sen7inel' with -75mv the temps are often reported in the mid 80s to sometimes even high 80s to low 90s on very intensive games. (User 'mardon' reported gpu temp of max 92 °C on Crysis 3 with the undervolt...
How long did you run Crysis 3 with getting these temps, WhiteBoySHady?

Can't wait for more review infos about the P35W v2..

 

Oh what's the FPS on Crysis 3 like as well?

 

Oh that's without the cooling pad..... When you use the cooling pad, there is more air flow because the openings at the bottom. You can even feel the airflow getting stronger. I'll show temps later for games with cooling pad. And I really recommend this laptop for everyone. I mean the screen colours are nice! And games run smooth on it. It makes a difference in every way. And I also raid 0 my two msata and now the performance is through the roof. I wanna test out some older games with shaders from ENB Series. It must be amazing.

 

What cooling pad do you have? Recommend one, or is it one that comes with the laptop?

 

If a laptop ever shipped with an external cooling pad that wouldn't leave me confident in it at all.

 

ah, ok. This would have been my next question, whether these temps had been achieved with or without cooling pad.
To be honest, a cooling pad doesn't even come in consideration to me, because a laptop is an discrete and self-sustaining device.

So to me personally a cooling pad negates a notebook's nature and purpose. I don't want to be forced on a cooling pad just to get acceptable or good temperatures. The cooling pad is not a part of a laptop. The notebook as self-sustaining designed device has to do its (cooling) job properly and if it fails without a cooling pad it's a faulty design. If not, so if the temps are at least 'ok', then a cooling pad is needless to me, as the temps are already in a throttling-free and safe range...

Not to get me wrong. These are just my two cents on these gadgets. Of course feel free to use them or not. But for me only the temps, which are achieved only by the notebook itself are relevant and therefore i'm impressed, that these temps in Crysis 3 were achieved without a cooling pad...?! :thumbsup:
How long did you play for these temps, WhiteBoy?

 

A cooling pad is only important when you game because you putt it on a flat surface, so a cooling pad allows better heat distribution away from the laptop. I personally use this cause it's great for putting it on your lap because it has a foamy like texture that is comfy, and it works on the desk too because the sides are plastic so it's great. It has two fans that help circulation of air.
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And those temps were like 25 min gaming maybe....

I was excited this morning cause origin is giving away bf3 for free for a limited time. Go download it !! Tons of people play it online still

But overall it's pretty great with cooling unless you max out everything it will get super hot, and as I said you don't wanna touch the top of the laptop while gaming....... Even razer blade laptop is the same and Msi they all have that top section where it gets all the heat.

That's was the orginal plan tho, they knew there will always be heat but the managed to get the heat in one place that people never have their hands on. I think it's smart.

 

Sorry for asking again, but what do you mean by '... overall it's pretty great with cooling unless you max out everything it will get super hot...'?
Do you mean, that the temps are higher if you max the games out? Crysis 3 wasn't maxed out? Would only the notebook surfaces get hotter or the gpu/cpu temps as well?

 

Hi guys,

I'm also thinking of buying the P35W V2. But untill now there are no complete reviews (with real Benchmarks of different games etc.). Could you please add some? since now the Laptop is not avaiable in Germany. Thanks in advance.

Best Regards

Thrall

 

Oh I mean for this kind of power cooling is pretty great and CPU never goes over 91deg and gpu max is 85 deg so it's pretty great. I just mean the top alluminum surface gets hot only so you don't wanna touch that. Cause the heat sink is right under it .
If you use the cooling pad, it gpu temp drop by 10 deg to 75
CPU will still be 91 lol

 

Heat can, however destroy the internals of a laptop over extended use...The motherboard/batteries/power on both my HP G62s fried that way .

 

I will do a complete write up of some testing when I get the laptop tomorrow.

 

Appreciated Frugoo,
When you do would you perhaps be able to run at least an hours worth of gaming at high-ultra on it, I just need to see what the extended use on this computer would be like, I usually have my computer on for long periods of time, sometimes maybe I'll want to game for 3 hour sessions or so, I want to know that I will be able to run games for 3 hours without a particular hitch, or how I can.

 

What game do you have in mind for that test? I see people posting Crysis 3.

 

Ok here you go pumpkin, I'll give you you're 3 hour test lol
See you in three hours haha

 

Thank You so much for your effort.

 

After almost 3 hours playing but that's with a cooling pad
Even same temps with crysis and Alan wake

 

You might want to try installing Intel XTU and under volt the CPU using voltage offset.
The CPU temps are OK but could be lower using this program. It's pretty good it can drop temps without sacrificing performance.

 

Is that without ANY compromise or A LOT of compromise. I'd love to see undervolting with some frame rate tests.

 

@WhiteBoySHady

Do you think you could get the temps without the cooling pad and see how hot it gets maximum?

 

I would say with minimal compromise; the worst that could happen is having to reboot the system due to insufficient voltage.

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So no framerate drop?

 

I knew someone would ask haha so I got it prepared
91 is as high this CPU goes for some reason nothing more
And GPU around 88

Yes I read minds I always know what people are gonna ask lol

 

How are the viewing angles both horizontal and vertical? These are rather important to me. This is an IPS screen yes?

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They are not as the p35k but the only downside is if you look from the bottom there will be distortion and colour change, but sides are pretty normal but as I said they made a mistake and they said it's IPS but it's not
It's actually a bright matte screen with wide angles, but not IPS
Which I already owned the p35k and it was an IPS display, so I can tell the difference, but you have to make compromises sometimes cause IPS screens can't have great colours.
So either good colours and alright viewing angles or IPS and sh**ty colors

 

So its a TN panel?!

 

Wait, its not an IPS? Its stated just about everywhere that sells this laptop, including xoticpc, that it is IPS. If not, then that is false advertising...

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