17" laptop with 3k/4k display?

Are there any laptops currently available or coming soon with a ultra HD display on a 17" screen?

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I don't think there are any mainstream 17" laptops with a 3/4k option, it's highly rumored that the next generation Alienware and Clevo models will sport a 3/4k LCD. The M4800 15.6" Dell workstation class notebook comes with a QHD+ 3200x1800 LCD.

 

The MSI 15.6" GT60 has the option for a 3K screen (WQHD+ 2880x1620)

 

I've seen that laptop but it only has a 15" display

 

I'm not sure why you'd go with a 17.3" laptop when you can easily find the resolutions you're looking for in a 15.6" laptop. The only practical difference with the display sizes would be slightly lower DPI, given the same resolution.

 

Alot of 15.6" laptops don't have a 2nd hard drive bay and don't want to get a CD/DVD HDD caddy. Also 17" laptops give you more connectors/USB, at least my M17x R2 does over my Clevo. Also I can tell you, I prefer using my Alienware over my Clevo (not talking from specifications perspective either). A larger screen is always nice to have.

 

I can understand wanting a larger screen. Unfortunately I don't think there's anything available yet. 15" notebooks are the most popular, and probably why they opted to go that route for first gen 3k/4k screens.

 

Yeah, but 17 inch screens have more real-estate to make use of those extra pixels without scaling.

 

That's exactly why. Because that's the bulk of the laptop market. The 17" is a niche market. Usable only by gamers and media creators.

Upgrading these larger laptop display is not their primary interest. If they make money from the mass market division, they'll eventually get around to it

 

I don't think an inch and a half will make that much difference. I personally do like a larger screen if I have a DTR laptop, but whether you scale or not really won't matter if it's 15.6" or 17.3"

 

You'd be surprised. I prefer my Alienware 1200p 17.1" over my Clevo's 1080p 15.6" screen (not even talking about color gamut/contrast ratio/viewing angles). I used to think hey it's only 1.5" bigger, what difference does it make, it actually makes quite a big difference.

 

No, I agree screen size but not DPI. 1080p on 15.6" or my 13.3" or 17.3" it's not that huge of a deal to me personally. Of the laptops I've reviewed, the 17" notebooks made me wish I had a 17" instead of the 15" I used. Now I have a 13.3" that I use 99% of the time so a 17" looks huge to me, but I like it.

 

Meh DPI is kinda flaky. Even though a 1080p 15.6" laptop has more DPI than 17.1" with 1200p, I still prefer the 17" screen real estate.

 

17" is more confortable, i can seat back, with 15 i feel i have to be much nearer the laptop.

 

as in a BUYING option that you can purchase or it has the ability to support such a screen if and when it comes out?

 

It has a buying option. Only certain GT60 models have it, most have the 1080p option. You know they aren't the only ones with a WQHD+, M4800, Retina MBP and a couple others have 3k screens..

 

It's been available for a while: XOTIC PC | MSI GT60 2OD-261US

Right. Just depends on what the user wants it for. Office/CAD/Professional work, then I'd pick the Dell or MBP, but for gaming, the MSI.

 

Where did you hear about the rumored next generation Alienware possibly having a 3/4k option? I'm not doubting it and it definitely wouldn't surprise me at all I am just curious as to where you heard the rumor.

I also would like to see 17 inch 3k/4k displays and I have a feeling (I could be wrong) that we will see at least 1 appear from some vendor (Samsung? MSI? Alienware? Clevo?) in 2014. I mean as you mentioned we already have
The M4800 15.6" Dell workstation class notebook comes with a QHD+ 3200x1800 LCD plus there's the DELL XPS 15 and I believe MSI has a 15.6 inch 3K. Am I missing any other 15.6 inch with a 2K/3K or 4K screen? A 17 inch 2K/3k or 4K can't be that far behind.

 

Well at the moment I suspect is the old GPU that's holding them back. At least that would certainly be the case with AW.

With a resolution that high in a gaming machine it had better be well supplied in the video card department. That likely means the most powerful mobile graphics in town and a whole lot of cooling.

Can the present AW design do it without melting its solder? I'm not too sure it can.

 

The nice thing about 3200x1800 is it's 2x 1600x900, and with 15.6" screen or even 17.3" screen, there would likely be next to no noticeable degradation of image with games at least running at 1600x900. With 1080p on my 13.3" notebook, running at 1280x720 the difference is hardly noticeable, and it's not a perfect 1/2 scale.

 

I don't think the current generation Iris Pro has issues outputting to a 3k screen, for normal tasks. Of course you aren't going to game at those kind of resolutions, but email, Office, Youtube should have no issues. And Iris Pro 5200 benches slightly under a GTX 560M, Intel decided to ramp up performance of iGPU because of incoming 3/4k screens, also points to Intel's roadmap for high resolution screens and what's coming in 2014/2015.

 

I think current gen Intel GPU's max resolution is 2560x1440 too. So this affects Optimus/Enduro systems as well since the dedicated GPU display buffer is piped through the Intel GPU.

 

I don't see much chance 17" will get some love, 17" seem even more niche than 13" nowadays.

15" clevo are stuck with old screen according to the roadmap.

intel gpu run 4k fine, i.e optimus on xps15,mbpr etc.

 

Its actually 4x. Bump. Nothing new in this space as far as I can see. MSI 17" high spec laptops are sub £1000 now.. Just lacking that 3k or 4k screen!!

 

Is there really any true benefit with that high of resolution unless it's on a 65" screen? I thought I read somewhere of the retinas perception versus pixelation? It's early, so I might be making this all up anyways...lol

 

There's a huge benefit if you value having a high screen real estate for your work. Software development fir one, and I should know since I've done so on displays ranging from fantastic 1440p desktop displays down to "I want to gouge my eyes out" 600p displays (driver issues during a lab meeting). There's also graphical design work, though that also requires a high-quality display as well as a high-res display, which leaves only the likes of the HP Dreamcolor and the like...

 

Well to be honest they said that same thing about 1080p, although things have gotten pretty small. Even so, I don't think its a question of size as much as it is resolution//sharpness, that is as far as text is concerned. Graphics on the other hand should certainly benefit if we're talking about added density.

I would certainly welcome a 4k display, but not at the sacrifice of frequency, bit depth or color gamut. We're talking about monitors for creative use. Not just TVs (that don't need to be nearly as precise) for display.

 

But they are. I wont say all, since there are manufacturers and manufacturers, but pretty nice percent of them cover at least 75% of the NTSC. Compare it to 45~60% coverage of most PCs (notebooks, desktop monitors).

 

I wish someone would release a 4K 17-inch laptop. I already own a 4K 39" desktop monitor and the difference is like night and day. I use it mostly for business. It does make a difference when I can fit more windows on the screen while maintaining extremely sharp text and colors. 15" monitors are too small when I'm trying to fit a big Excel sheet on the screen without having to squint my eyes or move closer to the screen.

I think most people think of it from a gaming standpoint, but based of my experience with my desktop 4K monitor, it is a great benefit to business users as well. It's one of those things that you don't know you need until you actually use it. Then that's all you want to use. Like back in the day when we used to watch standard definition TV before HD was around. We were fine with it because we had never seen anything better. Then once we saw HD and had our first HD tv, we could not go back to SD tv. Same thing here. Now that I have a 4K desktop screen, I'm really wishing I could get a 4K laptop screen.

Another reason for a 17-inch versus a 15-inch is the keyboard. The 15-inch has the keys squeezed close together and is nowhere as comfortable to type on as a 17-inch laptop's keyboard with the number pad.

 

cpamario, if you squint to see a (desktop?) 15" monitor you're going to go bonkers with a 4K 17" display.

The big jump for higher availability for these resolutions will be when Windows O/S gets properly updated to display properly at any resolution and scaling a user would need to use. I'm hoping that Win10 or whatever it will be called gets us there soon.

 

The biggest issue is the lack of 3k/4k 17.3 inch panels. Can't make a notebook use something that does not exist.

 

Not much enthusiasm for Windows. Buy that time well be at 8k and they'll still be behind.

If you build it, will they not come?

 

Assuming it's done properly (scaling the way vectors naturally do), it will work as well for 8K as it does for 4K.

 

agreed.. However, I still think there is a long way to go to 8K.. Modern top of the line GPU's are only able to do 4k and 8k is just not feasible.. maybe in 2-3 years...

 

Depends what you're talking about - for gaming, sure. But for regular program use and internet browsing, etc, I think they can handle it. I run all kinds of things at 3200x1800 without killing my GPU, and things like DSR in the pipeline should also help.

 

Let me be clear. I know there are advancements, but they're incremental. What I'm referring to are workstation improvements.

For all intents and purposes things like Retina display is more flash than anything else -- it looks great to the consumers, but it has no place in practical application on a professional level since it does not conform to any known standard. These are resolutions between resolutions.

If we were talking about a true 4k monitor or even UHD -- what I'm interested in -- it would be different.

Instead, it is a passing "fad" meant to do nothing more than sell computers based solely on oneupmenship not quality in display. In another year or two, it will be gone.

 

I don't get why 17" laptops get 3/4k screens, pretty sure lots of people do buy monster DTR laptops. I can't stand 3k screen on 15.6" laptops.

 

Its just the next step is display design and technology. Spurred on mostly by the handheld device market. Next to them, people wonder why their much larger laptop display doesn't look nearly as good.

 

I agree.. I would buy a 17" laptop with 3K screen in a heartbeat... As long as the screen is IPS which it most likely will be...

Yeah... 1 year for doing something as simple as this.. They can make 15.6" 3K/4K screens however making a 17.3" version is so hard.. When its supposed to be easier... Its not a next step it should have already been done now...

 

As I think others have mentioned, it's not a question of the difficulty/challenge of making the display, it's a question of if the demand would make it a worthwhile business decision. Without enough demand to justify producing in volume, the unit cost is a lot higher, which is likely why the manufacturers aren't producing these panels.

 

The demand is there.. The laziness from manufacturers is inexcusable..

 

The demand might be there, but how much is there?

 

Clearly not enough. Laziness doesn't enter into the question - companies exist to make money, and if they determine there's money to be made serving a segment of the market, they'll pursue it.

You can argue that they are wrong, or bad at measuring demand or predicting the value of a market segment, but saying they're being lazy is just being lazy in your argument/reasoning.

 

Wonder when a 17 inch display with at least 3k would be available. 3k has been released since last year but is only implemented in small screens which I find doesn't really make sense. You can't see much in a small screen, so what's the point doing that? Clarity or high DPI is already good enough with FHD on small screens.

I believe it's not hard to implement 3k on a big screen since they have successfully done that on small screens already. The problem is why would they not release it on 17 inch, the gamers' community owning laptops of 17 inch displays are definitely growing at large.
MSI GT72, Asus G751, Alienware M17x, Aorus X7 and Clevo P670 are great 17 inchers. 3k would be great for the workspace.

Is demand really the main reason?

 

Additionally, Apple put the focus on ppi, which I think somewhat explains the focus on smaller screens.


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I haven't heard from that so far, but the LG and Toshiba have a coparation on this issue. Maybe soon comes this 17 inch Laptop with 3/4k Display to world.


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Hopefully its an option on the P771.. If I were to get the P771, I'd strongly consider a 3K 17.3" IPS screen..

 

Two things: First, pixies are easy. Like turning up the machine to produce more pencils. The hard part is the quality of that display -- like adding more pixels while it maintains color accuracy.

Second, the capacity for higher resolution brings with it the capability for Deep Color. Yet another plus for 4k.

Forgets 3k, its a passing fad that is basically more gobbledegook from the manufacturers to sell laptops.

Its the same formula that produced the previous generation of the mixed up hodgepodge of resolutions between 720p and 1080p we now have.

Apple invented this race, but we don't need to go through all that again.

 

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Forgets 3k, its a passing fad that is basically more gobbledegook from the manufacturers to sell laptops.

Its the same formula that produced the previous generation of the mixed up hodgepodge of resolutions between 720p and 1080p we now have.

Apple invented this race, but we don't need to go through all that again.


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I totally agree, the demand is here and it is laziness. If I am going to spend 2000 usd+ in a laptop that I will use for many years, I want it to be equipped with a 4k display because 4k is going to be the norm in 2-3 years, there is already bunch of stuff in 4k including Youtube and Netflix videos. If it is a gaming 17" laptop which is not a niche market by the way, we could play games at 1920x1080 doing 1 to 4 pixels perfect scaling without getting blurred/interpolated images and it will be perfectly handled by nowadays video cards; when browsing the internet and doing other things we will enjoy the advantages of a crispy 4k display when rendering fonts on a 17" screen. If windows 11... decides to use vectors a 4k screen will be better suited for it.

It is ridiculous to see people here saying that there's no market for a 17" 4k displays. Let me ask you something guys: where was the market for 4k 15" and 3k 13" laptops before they started to appear? No users asked for these resolutions on these small screens; they are being sold because the higher the resolution the better they look and that's why people buy them and try to have them in their laptops (also because Apple is teaching PC manufacturers ); this is without taking into account that with the current state of the art of most of the existing software, it is almost impossible to read text so small on these screens without scaling. I think that it is not that people who prefer these small laptops are doing a different kind of job that needs 4k and so they were clamoring for 3k/4k; these resolutions appeared and everybody liked them, and now every review you read for 17" laptops, or news about new 17" gaming laptops announcement mentions that SADLY there is no 4k option yet; in my opinion it is because bunch of users are naturally expecting 4k 17" laptops.

I know it is something that is just starting and that Toshiba was one of the first announcing a 4k 15.6 laptop a few months ago, BUT let's talk about 3k 13" laptops: they have been available for a long time including Apple's retina laptops (thanks Apple for starting this race, we needed it), so I think it was not difficult to build a 4k 17" laptop display by just cutting/building a bigger piece of the same panel with probably the same pixel density, but sadly we don't have them yet because of the laziness of the panel makers. How long have they been building 5" 1080p screens for phones, and even 4.8" 1080p IPS screens? These screens have even higher pixel densities than a 4k 17" screen, so it was possible to build a 4k 17" years ago. Now, let me add something else to their laziness: they are building these 1080p phone screens with NO bezels, while for laptops nowadays all panels are built with thick bezels. Just last January I read that Dell was announcing the new 13" XPS with thin bezels; bezels is something that I have been criticizing since I started reading news about how small the bezels of many smartphones was becoming, and look how many years It took to start this trend for laptops.

If you ask many users like the guy who started this thread, we will even get a 18" 4k display in a 17" sized laptop if they trim the bezels. That's my modest opinion guys, it is laziness or lack of competition, whatever you wanna call it. I am a software developer who play games from time to time, and I prefer a 17" inches screen, maybe bunch of 15.6 users will even buy a 17.4 inches laptop if panel manufactures build them with thin bezels, but please: BUILD 4k 17" laptop panels!