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    17" laptop with 3k/4k display?

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by z325, Dec 27, 2013.

  1. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    Laziness is not what business is about. You may buy one and maybe another 10,000 people will, but none of them will want to pay the price for such a small run.

    That is what business understands and most here seem to be missing.
     
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  2. SeagateBoy

    SeagateBoy Notebook Consultant

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    A few weeks ago I asked mythlogic rep about 17" 4K, and he said that there's currently no plan for such a configuration and most likely won't happen this year ........
     
  3. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    I want a 3K 17.3" IPS screen tbh as 4K would be too much for mobile gaming.... Even that seems to be too much to ask... Honestly, the demand for 3K 15.6" screens is probably the same as 17.3" ones yet this laziness pisses me off... Well hopefully next year then...
     
  4. Krane

    Krane Notebook Prophet

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    The last time I checked only HP was even selling the IPS HD screen since Dell dropped out. Also keep in mind the desktop replacement is only a small part of the laptop market.

    Nevertheless, there IS money to be made there. So whomever comes out with it first, is likely to get my money. Being in the media creation segment, I won't even consider upgrading to a 4k panel that isn't 10 bit. That would be a step backwards.
     
  5. robertjs3

    robertjs3 Newbie

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    I am very curious if anyone has heard anymore news on the 17" 4k laptops coming out? May be purchasing a gaming laptop within the next few months and don't want to miss out on a 4k screen if at all possible. Thanks
     
  6. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Who knows.. 1080p IPS screens for 17.3" laptops are just a few months old.. if things progress, maybe towards the end of the year, we may have 3k/4k IPS screens but it's really a waiting game..
     
  7. Richteralan

    Richteralan Notebook Evangelist

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    Before the new 16:9 laptops we had a few years of 16:10 laptops touting 1920*1200 resolution and that's about 10 years ago. I remember my Dell Inspiron E1705 bought on 2006 had a "Ultrasharp" 1920*1200 LCD Panel.

    The demand for higher resolution is there for 17 inches. Or we still be sticking with 1280*720.

    Gee it's like deja vu.
     
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  8. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Indeed demand is there.. The laziness of these pannel manufacturer's pisses me off... They really need one kick up the rear to produce some 3K/4K 17.3" pannels..
     
  9. bluefox94

    bluefox94 Notebook Consultant

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    Yeah. I think anything smaller than 17" is not ideal for gaming. But that's just me.
     
  10. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    I don't know.. I've seen quite a few 15.6" laptops and they're fine for gaming IMO however, I see quite a bit of anime on my laptop and having a bigger screen is something I need so 17" will be the only option for me in the end.....
     
  11. Krane

    Krane Notebook Prophet

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    17" laptops is a relatively small part of the industry. Demand may be there but at what cost? I'd only be interested if it were wide gamut IPS or above panel. How much more are you willing to pay for that? I'd guess that even less than the current crop of DR users optioned for the 1080 IPS panel.
     
  12. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Let's wait and see.. I have a feeling that next year, we might finally get them.. if not, I'll just get an external monitor!
     
  13. Krane

    Krane Notebook Prophet

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    Well I still got 2 more years of service out of my current system so I should be ready by the second generation 4K monitors. Hopefully they'll be less buggy by then anyway.

    But to be honest, the real advancement will be in the cards that power them. If it going to make any real difference, the card manufacturers will have to solve that problem first.
     
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    RamonPV Newbie

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    Finally some info about a 4k 17.3" Screen for laptops from AUO with a 100% RGB color gamut and it is an AHVA panel...

    "In terms of high-end notebook PC applications, AUO launches 15.6-inch and 17.3-inch UHD 4K ultra high resolution displays with wide color gamut and high contrast ratio to present colors in more precision, meeting the demand for professional graphic designing and audio-video gaming. AUO's 17.3-inch UHD 4K ultra high resolution display for notebook PCs has a high pixel density of 255 PPI and high color saturation of 100% Adobe RGB. Equipped with AHVA (Advanced Hyper-Viewing Angle) technology, the display boasts impeccable colors and details when examined from every angle. Its image quality is comparable to that of professional desktop monitor display."

    http://www.wvnstv.com/story/29203608/auos-uhd-4k-smartphone-display-to-debut-at-sid-display-week
     
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  15. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Nice specs, wonder what back-light they've used for such coverage and how it would look like in person.
     
  16. notebook303

    notebook303 Notebook Evangelist

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    Thanks, ok I didn't see when would be seeing the 17 inch 4k notebooks or did I miss something. From what I heard though there is a possibility 3K/4K notebooks could debut later this year.
     
  17. Krane

    Krane Notebook Prophet

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    Well since the current technology had come up against the wall (Dell no longer sell the high-end wide gamut display although I believe AW may soon offer this), they will need to move beyond HD to sell any units. I certainly have no reason to upgrade without it.
     
  18. nioroso

    nioroso Notebook Enthusiast

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    Looks like a common WLED backlight, specs are here http://www.panelook.com/B173ZAN01.0_AUO_17.3_LCM_overview_25358.html. The panel is a 8 bit VA, so I guess it has good blacks.
    I wouldn't mind a 16:9 screen with so many pixels. I wonder if the 8770w or zbook 17 can be upgraded with this, eDP is getting very common.
     
  19. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    ZBook is eDP; 8740w, 8760w and 8770w are standard DP just wired internally (a bit before eDP was a thing, eDP has a few extra stuff to it).
     
  20. baii

    baii Sone

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    The dream color should use 50pin edp I think? The new common new edp is 30pin.

    Sent from my 306SH
     
  21. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    From the motherboard to the color board it uses internally wired standard DP (the data lines and stuff, not the physical connector). The motherboard connector has both LVDS and DP lines. DP for the DreamColor displays and LVDS for the rest. The DreamColor panel itself is LVDS, and this is what gets out of the color board - LVDS lines (motherboard (DP) > color board in (DP) > color board out (LVDS) > DreamColor (LVDS)). Anyway, the ZBook should be fairly easy to upgrade, at least on theory, the rest, well I don't know if the lack of those couple of extra (eDP specific) connections matters that much. I would guess yes.
     
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    notebook303 Notebook Evangelist

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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    I hope so... I rather see more 2K/3K 17.3" screens tbh... The 4K screen is too much overkill IMO...
     
  25. Krane

    Krane Notebook Prophet

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    Actually, they said the same thing about 1080p. In any event, computer monitors have typically been far ahead of TVs not followed them.
     
  26. Maru

    Maru Notebook Consultant

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    Alienware's site says the Alienware 17 will have the option of an "17.3 inch UHD (3840 x 2160) IGZO3 IPS Anti-Glare 400-nits Display".

    "IGZO" was not mentioned in the AUO display announcements. IGZO technology displays have historically been made by Sharp. So this is likely to be a sign that at least this one more display manufacturer is in the 17.3-inch UHD market. Since Alienware is a Dell brand, we may presume the same display might come to mobile workstations such as the Dell Precision next year.

    Do display quality improvements come with IGZO3 over previous generations? Or is '3' just for a different pixel size?
    (Presumably IGZO3 manufacturing has yield improvements to make 17.3-inch UHD displays more affordable, possibly price binned based on quality.)


    (Alienware also offers its external "Alienware Graphics Amplifier" in case the internal NVidia GPU is not enough... Neither G-sync nor Freesync is mentioned for the internal displays.)

    (Mobile workstations often come out six months or more after a new technology becomes available, maybe waiting for improved manufacturing consistency, or to perfect and qualify driver code with professional software vendors.)


    link
     
  27. FinkPad

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    thinkpad p70
     
  28. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Alienware 17 R2/R3 and P870DM along with P775DM to add a few with the 4K 17.3 display..

    Sent from my LG-H811 using Tapatalk
     
  29. Saveikis

    Saveikis Notebook Consultant

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    You can look up the MSI GS72 Stealth Pro, which is a 17,3" display panel with a 3840x2160 Ultra HD 4K resolution :) planning to get one of those in a week or two, because I had a real usage of it from my uncle... Insane machine, even thouh it looks thing, which usualy ends up in massive cooling problems...
    He uses the machine for rendering vids and images, so it pushes the elements to the max... And the thermal performance, tbh, is insane, for that thickness... Razer should learn smth from MSI
     
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