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    2.5 inch 3TB or 4TB drives on the horizon?

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Kyle, Mar 16, 2014.

  1. Kyle

    Kyle JVC SZ2000 Dual-Driver Headphones

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    Any news on when 3/4TB drives will come?

    For 3.5 inch drives, I think a 5TB drive is supposed to hit this year (there is also the helium drive, but its way too expensive)
     
  2. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    My guess is that 3TB - 4TB SSD's will become mainstream before 2.5" HDD do. ;)
     
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    Dialup David Notebook Consultant

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    I think it really boils down to if they can have high enough platter density in such a small place. I'm sure it's possible, but with the already rare 2Tb 2.5" drives already being 15mm tall, i don't think it's on the near future to consider this coming soon. I just seen a 1Tb msata SSD sell for 500$, and i know that this is completely seperate, but considering how small a msata SSD is compared to a 2.5" drive bay... Adding 6-8 Msata SSD's into some kinda custom 2.5" caddy could seem like a more suitable candidate than the HDD route. Albeit, a much, much, much more expensive one, still in 2-3 years when a 1Tb SSD is only ~100-150$ it could be very plosible.
     
  4. Qing Dao

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    They have 2tb 9.5mm tall drives out now as well as 12.5mm 3tb drives. My guess is early 2015 for the 3tb drives you seek.
     
  5. Kyle

    Kyle JVC SZ2000 Dual-Driver Headphones

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    That would be awesome. I am fine with 12.5mm, as I only want these for external portable drives.
     
  6. Dialup David

    Dialup David Notebook Consultant

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    From waht i read the only way you can actually get a 9.5mm 2Tb drive is in an enclosure, they do not sell them out of the box as Notebook HDD's. Not to mention, all the data sheets rate the Samsung Spinpoint 2Tb drives as 12v... Notebooks do NOT provide 12v to sata. Same thing with the WD Raptor Bare Drive when people thought they would work in notebooks.
     
  7. FredFlint_

    FredFlint_ Notebook Consultant

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    Samsung M9T 2TB 9.5mm SATA 2.5 inch Internal Hard Drive - PS3/PS4 Compatible - FFP Packaging: Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories
     
  8. John Ratsey

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    You beat me to it. :mad:

    It's actually a Seagate drive since Samsung sold their HDD business a couple of years ago. Perhaps there are marketing benefits from using the Samsung brand name. However, the USB version comes in both Seagate and Samsung flavours.

    WD also offer a slim 2TB external drive. It's unclear what is inside since WD don't claim to make a 9.5mm 2TB 2.5" drive.

    John
     
  9. Kyle

    Kyle JVC SZ2000 Dual-Driver Headphones

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    I recently bought a 2TB Transcend external portable drive. Its very thick and heavy (compared to their 1TB versions). I am surprised the USB bus can power it.
     
  10. Dialup David

    Dialup David Notebook Consultant

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    From what i read many people are having issues installing these in a variety of devices, PS4's are getting Blue lights of death etc.
    Nor have i seen a single Laptop with that exact model installed, once i see it working i might change my opinion, but until then i dont believe there is a compatible 9.5mm 2Tb HDD for notebooks. I'm not willing to risk my sata slot with a 12v 9.5mm bare drive.

    Just as i suspected:
    "The problem is when you shut down the ps4 and turn it on later you get the blue light of death. I think the drive is pulling more power than the smaller ones disrupting the sync between the tv and hdmi on bootup causing a timing issue. Im trying to spread the word so people dont waste their money and time till a timing fix is added to a firmware update. Also if as many people complain to Sony / Samsung maybe they will sort it sooner ?" (AKA) The drive will not work in a normal 5v environment.
    forums.n4g.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=1169405&mpage=1#1169405

    Not to mention other than that one guy on amazon UK, it's nearly impossible becasue seagate only sells the drive to OEM's.
     
  11. Qing Dao

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    Several people on this forum have claimed to have it working in their computers.
     
  12. Joe_Isuzu

    Joe_Isuzu Newbie

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    I have heard of some people having trouble getting these to work with a PS4. I only heard of one laptop issue. Grant it, I don't hear everything. However I think you are mistaken on the voltage of the drive. The specs sheet from Seagate clearly show that the Samsung Spinpoint M9T 2TB is 5v.

    http://www.seagate.com/www-content/support-content/samsung/internal-products/spinpoint-m-series/en-us/samsung-m9t-internal-ds.pdf

    I don't think the voltage will be an issue.
     
  13. FredFlint_

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    I have ordered an m9t 2tb and should have it next week. I was going to wait for the price to drop but am almost out of space on my 1tb drive.

    I have read that the PS4 issue is to do with the time the drive takes to power up and the HDMI port, a work around is to turn on the PS4 and let it start up before turning the TV on. This should not affect a laptop/pc.
     
  14. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    I also ordered two of these m9t 2tb HDDs from newegg, they were in discount for only $85/piece and could not let them there. One will go into my new Latitude E4310 and the other a copy of that to a hidden place. Hope their quality is good, in the past 15 years only two my HDDs died and one of them was Samsung.
     
  15. chukwe

    chukwe Notebook Evangelist

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    Will this Samsung m9t 2tb fit\work in my Lenovo W520 Ultrabay slot?
     
  16. hydra

    hydra Breaks Laptops

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    Looked twice there, no listing, but only found them at amazon for $104. Has free Seagate case ;)
     
  17. LanceAvion

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    Do you have the link? I can't find them.
     
  18. John Ratsey

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    It's a 9.5mm high drive.

    I expect it will fit (it would fit the Ultrabay in the T420s) but check the specs.

    John
     
  19. hydra

    hydra Breaks Laptops

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    Mine came; bought at $104, now cheaper. These contain the Samsung Spinpoint M9T drive. Mine is doing movie server duty ATM.

    Click on cheaper for the link...
     
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    HTWingNut Potato

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    Strange how they offer it in an external and as a regular SATA drive but don't sell it as a bare drive.
     
  21. hydra

    hydra Breaks Laptops

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    Bare M9T drive sold here. If you can afford it. The new Seagate slim drives no longer come with the removable interface; these could be used as a USB 3.0 drive dock for any 2.5" bare drive.

    I used to find the bare WD 2.5" drives for $40-50 more than the same drive found in the portable drives. Then WD began soldering on the USB interface; IMHO a really bad move.

    These dinosaurs should be totally gone when the $100 SSD 2T drives finally arrive?
     
  22. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    Awesome HDD
     
  23. Starlight5

    Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?

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    Do you mean that new STDR2000200s come with internal USB interface instead of SATA?
     
  24. John Ratsey

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    Amazon UK is expecting that bare 2TB M9T drives will show up before long (at nearly double the cost of the external unit :eek:)

    HDD manufacturers have been producing versions with on-board USB connectors for several years. It brings down the hardware cost of an external drive and lets box be slightly smaller. I suspect the market for external 2.5" drives is larger, but more competitive, than for high capacity internal 2.5" drives which results in the latter being more expensive.

    John
     
  25. hydra

    hydra Breaks Laptops

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    Yes; wish WD would reverse course with the as built connectors in their portable drives. Much more flexibility for us with our cost much the same; at least this side of the pond.


    @ FlashInTheNight: the Spinpoint drive is SATA and can be removed from portable case for laptop or other use.

    Disassembly here.

    Price now 104+ shipping (US) at amazon..
     
  26. Starlight5

    Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?

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    Just ordered one myself, 125$ though.
     
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    That 2 TB drive is interesting. So much capacity! It's crazy to think that I could now have as much capacity in my laptop as I currently do in my desktop.

    So the USB interface isn't removable on some external drives these days? How common is that? I shucked both of my desktop's original hard drives from external drives because external ones were cheaper shortly after the flood in Thailand, and it was nice and handy being able to repurpose them like that. The guy at Best Buy (which actually was the best buy for a change) said it wouldn't work, but at that time and with those Western Digitals, it was indeed possible. Probably wouldn't have been able to get them put back together well enough for a warranty claim since the case wasn't designed to be shucked, but at less than half the price of an internal drive, that was an acceptable tradeoff.
     
  28. Qing Dao

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    They do it, but mostly for 2.5" drives. I've never actually bought a pre-assembled external 2.5" drive, but I've heard that some have the USB connector soldered on, and others don't. Every external 3.5" drive I have ever bought could be taken apart though.
     
  29. Starlight5

    Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?

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    On most of them, yes. Moreover that, sometimes they launch a model with normal sata interface but soon change it to usb, without notice, of course.
     
  30. FredFlint_

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    I cancelled my Amazon pre-order of the m9t as it looked like it was going to be a long time before they got any. I then ordered a Seagate Backup Plus 2TB and it arrived today. I cloned my internal 1TB to it and carefully remove the m9t from the case and installed it in my laptop. I then put the 1TB drive in the Seagate case. The Seagate Backup Plus 2TB was £60 less than the internal m9t.
     
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    Amazon sells the 2TB 2.5" 9.5mm drives.

    Amazon.com: Samsung Seagate Momentus SpinPoint ST2000LM003 2TB 2.5" SATA Notebook Hard Drive 9.5MM: Computers & Accessories

    3 year warranty -- Seagate support for warranty.

    '
    Code:
    --------------- SeaTools for Windows v1.2.0.6 ---------------
    9/11/2014 6:37:51 PM
    Model: ST2000LM003 HN-M201RAD
    Serial Number: 
    Firmware Revision: 2BC10003
    
    Works fine for Windows 7 Professional
    system volume for a Toshiba P75-A7200.


    '
     
  32. cdoublejj

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    http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...-5mm-hard-drives-over-1tb-25.html#post9765622
     
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    Any updates? Only announcement but no availability with toshiba, wd And samsung 4tb. Thx
     
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  34. Nemix77

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    Better to save up and wait for a big SSD to drop in price than to wait for oversized (over 2TB) mechanical notebooks hard drives to hit the market.

    Mechanical notebook hard drive development seems to be slowing down or halted due to the outdated technology, capacity and physical size needed to fit into smaller notebooks these days (7mm - 9.5mm).
     
  35. ALLurGroceries

    ALLurGroceries  Vegan Vermin Super Moderator

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    There is an external 2.5" 3TB from Toshiba called the Canvio Basics that will be released later this month, model # HDTB330XK3CA
     
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  36. Shinra358

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    ^Can that be taken out of the case and used internally?
     
  37. tijo

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    We will not know until someone gets one and opens it up. Some externals use a custom PCB that only has a USB interface others use standard SATA drives with an extra board to make the SATA to USB conversion.

    There's also the potential issue of the drive's thickness, will it be 9.5 mm or 12 mm...
     
  38. Starlight5

    Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?

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    ALLurGroceries, it is Toshiba, and looks very thick. =(
     
  39. ALLurGroceries

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    Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?

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    Same crap as 2.5" 3TB+ WD and Seagate-Samsung. =(
     
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    Ansem Notebook Enthusiast

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    at least meanwhile the 4tb seagate/samsung external portable occured,
    but still no 9mm ~3tb in sight??
     
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    Still waiting for the 10tb SSD consumer version. Then we can come back to talk about 3 or 4 tb SSD drives.
     
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  46. tilleroftheearth

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    For notebooks? Useless. Any way you look at it.

    And even worse? It's a Samsung. :p :p :p

     
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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    So true lol :p :p
     
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    Hitachi announced a 10 TB desktop drive using PMR (and thus, suitable for main HDD use) today. Ties their previous record, but that used SMR, making it less optimal for daily use rather than as a big archive.

    Won't fit in a laptop yet, but I would be surprised if the high-capacity helium drives didn't hit laptops eventually.
     
  49. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    I would a minimum of 2-3 years till we see 4-6TB drives in notebooks... We'll see SSD's of those sizes much before this!
     
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    King of Interns Simply a laptop enthusiast

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    What is wrong with samsung. I have owned Ssd drives since 2007. They all died except my first samsung ssd the 470. 4 years i ran it until I changed it this week for the faster 850. No problems whatsoever...

    I also run a 2tb samsung drive inside and it works beautifully.

    Am I missing something?

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