2133Mhz Laptop RAM

Which one should I buy?

Corsair Vengeance
Specs:

• Speed: 2133MHz
• Timing: 11-11-11-27
• Type: DDR3L

• Format: SODIMM
• Pin Out: 204 Pin
• Voltage: 1.35V

Kingston HyperX

Specs: DDR3L, 2133MHz, CL11, 1.35V, Unbuffered,

Timings: 2133MHz, 11-12-13

 

seamon, neither, if you can get it, get g.skill:

G.SKILL Ripjaws 32GB (4 x 8G) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3L 2133 Laptop Memory Model F3-2133C11Q-32GRSL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._re=F3-2133C11Q-32GRSL-_-20-231-776-_-Product

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (2 x 8G) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3L 2133 (PC3L 17000) Laptop Memory Model F3-2133C11D-16GRSL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231760

 

WOW those are cheap, I should look into getting some =O

 

in the end it doesnt really matter, just go with the cheapest offer u can find although ive been thinking about switching out my corsair sticks with hyperx impact, since ive seen successful reports of them being oced to 2400 mhz...

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Feel free to dispose of your old corsair sticks by sending them to Trinidad

I heard there's a really good P370SM3 dump here that they'd fit well in.

 

Amazon has Kingston Hyper X Impact 2133MHz for much cheaper here in the UK...

Edit: Got it cheaper, now more expesnive lol..

 

My question is, do you really need 2133 Mhz RAM? I thought most laptops don't natively support that sort of RAM speed, so if you were hoping for significantly better performance....prepare to be much disappointed.

 

Can you tell me the reason?

 

seamon, I have seen many examples of g.skill 2133mhz working in various Haswell and Broadwell laptops.

It is another suggestion for a known to work solution

 

Corsair appears to have better timing.

In reality, I doubt you would be able to tell the difference between the two. At 2133 Mhz, it's faster than what your CPU would support. Maybe integrated graphics would benefit, but if you are a gamer then getting discrete GPU would make the most sense.

 

Well, it helps for x264 encoding and some games like BF4 do get a bit of a boost for it. It's not an increase that makes a whole lotta sense, yes, but if you're like me and have 11-11-11-27 1600MHz RAM, 11-11-11-31 2133MHz RAM is a distinct improvement.

 

Can the Y500 even run that RAM at 2133 MHz? Maybe there are options in the unlocked BIOS, I never checked though because I never upgraded mine past DDR3-1600.

 

It should at least handle 1866MHz, I think.

 

mainly depends on the strength of your cpu's memory controller

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I'd say it depends more on your BIOS.

No problem with i7-4600m or i7-4700MQ

Spoiler

 

sure, bios would be responsible for general stick compatibility. i was rather talking about clock speeds though...

 

I have a core i7 4870HQ

 

Should be fine with but a lot of it depends on ability of CPU memory controller to run the memory at the required speed....

 

Is there a difference in Performance, if you get those 2133Mhz sticks in Single or Dual Rank? And the Quality of the DRam's (Samsung)? Do you guys know how much improvement you would get swapping the old 1600Mhz sticks for new 2133Mhz ones? Let's say in benchmarking (Firestrike) and real world?

I am considering getting two of those ones:

http://www.kmcomputer.de/shopware.php?sViewport=detail&sArticle=34915

 

There is a "better" Version of the Kingston Sticks with better Timings -> HX321LS11IBK2/16. But they are really expensive! If you want to stick with the 2x4GB Version, maybe you can get them way cheaper in your Country?

 

rule of thumb: its best to only upgrade ram once uve already maxxed out everything else in your system, since its gonna give you the least real life performance boost.

that being said, i can state that ive gotten a noticeable boost in overall system snappiness when i upgraded from 1333 to 2133 Mhz. ull also notice this boost in specific benchmarks (intel xtu / cinebench / 3dmark not so much, but still there)

general benchmarks / games / applications will perform around 1-5% better with a significant ram speed upgrade, with specialized apps (rendering / sciency physics, math, whatever calculations) getting a more significant boost in performance.

to sum it up: a large jump in ram speed will give you performance bumps, but its nothing to write home about, so dont expect anything life changing add to that the greatly diminishing returns once u go with faster and faster ram. best example for this is ddr4 with skylake, where u wont see ANY improvements whatsoever starting from 2666 Mhz, and even up to that its not really anything earth-shattering and mostly only noticeable in benchmarks, but not in real-life applications.

the quality of the DRAMs, as you put it, would only be interesting if youre planning to overclock the sticks, otherwise just go with whatever is cheapest at that pricing point

single vs. dual rank - if ure talking about single / dual channel, then by all means dual channel! thats one point where ull see huge performance increases / decreases, also in games! however, if youre talking about memory chip placement on the sticks themselves, then thats also nothing too significant to worry about

cheers

 

jaybee83 summed it up pretty well. Performance improvement is minuscule with faster RAM. Even tighter timings. RAM is just not the bottleneck in most cases. Even single vs dual channel you won't notice it much in games. Although I'd highly recommend dual channel if you can. Going from 1333MHz to 2400MHz would show relevant performance improvements, but usually in that case the CPU and rest of system are also much faster than one running only 1333MHz.

 

1866 may give a slight boost to system snappiness over 1600 especially in edge cases, but beyond 1866 it's mostly useless.

Now with that being said, faster ram can improve your gaming experience ever so slightly in certain games. No it won't magically boost the average FPS, but it can make a difference in min FPS, which I'd argue in a way is more important since higher minimums means you feel less frame drops. That review used an overclocked 4770K and overclocked 780 Ti, which is much more powerful than the specs for your Y500, so it may not apply here. But I just wanted to highlight this point regardless.

Also yes 2133 sticks can be OC'd to 2400, as I have personally done so myself, although it was purely for benchmarking purposes and offered no tangible improvement whatsoever for my uses.

 

I'll expand here too. Very few games benefit from higher speeds of RAM, and very few programs benefit as much too.

I'd say the only game I know of that REALLY likes higher speeds is Battlefield 4, and the only other scenario I know of where 2133MHz RAM or higher helps is in x264 live encoding. I suppose it'd help for regular encoding too, like with Sony Vegas or Handbrake... but it won't make much difference, as with live encoding managing CPU power is key.

1866MHz with decent timing is all you need otherwise if you don't care about those edge cases.

Of course I'm D2 and I want 2133MHz myself =D. But you probably are not me (and if you are, I feel very sorry for you)

 

Ha ha! It's more like an Investment for whatever the future might bring. I'm also curious to see how much the difference in snappiness and benchmarking is by swapping 1600 sticks to 2133mhz and above.
I'm still in the process of learning and want to start oc'ing my rig soon. Could be that my rig ends up in a mushroom cloud!

 

@D2 Ultima: Out of curiosity and a lil' bit off Topic, but what are your results in Firestrike (stock and/or oc'ed) with your rig? Beside the CPU we have very much similar specs.

Would be interesting to know!

 

Depends on the timings. 1600MHz 11-11-11-27 like mine to 2133MHz 11-11-11-31 would be a clear-cut improvement. 1600MHz 9-9-9-24 to 2133MHz 11-11-11-31 might be equal or even worse.

My best firestrike (I'm damn certain I'm limited by heat of something other than the core on my 780Ms) is this: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3489139

 

That's the former then for me. Will give it a try and see how much I gain from it.

Now you gave me something to chase after! I'll report back soon!

 

HA. Your 3960X would beat me with ease XD

 

In Terms of CPU power most definitely. But as I stated before, I am not very experienced in oc'ing. And to reach your Level I have to oc'ing the crap out of my 780's. Well, let's see, the mushroom Cloud still hovers on my mind....

Thank you anyway for sharing! I'll come back later.

 

HA! beat you by 20 points total score with my rig

but in all seriousness: timings are overrated with RAM, most important thing are clocks, followed by timings...

nice overview on DDR3-scaling on haswell: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7364/memory-scaling-on-haswell/10



so according to this, 2400 CL9 or 2666 CL10 would be the sweet spot for performance

and your can also see that 2133 CL11 is faster than 1600 CL9

 

Now THAT's really great stuff! Much appreciated!

Gives me more understanding how to tinker with and what to gain from it.

 

Okay? That's quite demoralising.... Can't believe that a single 980m can beat a pair of 780m's!

Did you also achieve a higher result in the graphics score?

 

Excuse me for being lazy, saw your Firestrike Score in your Batman-Thread. Damn impressive!

I will use your OC-Guide and see what I can squeeze out of my rig. BTW, great work and all the others which threw in their 2Cents!!!

 

haha no worries, ive had a lower graphics score but higher physics score, which led to the slightly higher overall score

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It's because of my heat. I've seen Mr. Fox manage ~1100 on his 780Ms on a single brick in firestrike before with his 4930MX (which draws more power than my 4800MQ ever will) so I know for a fact that I can get that high... but something is overheating in my environment. I don't have an AC environment to test in, unfortunately. For example, to further the heat, that firestrike run I had that succeeded, I ran the 1440p version right after, and I couldn't even make it through the first test before I got a black screen lockup. And I couldn't get valley to finish AT ALL at those clocks; I had to use 1020/6000

 

D2 is on HEAT!

 

Sad to hear that! It's frustrating not to know how to fix it. Have a similar problem - GTX 970m won't run on my rig and the he** knows why it doesn't!? Probably have to sell it on eBay.

Back on Topic: Will try oc'ing my rig with the new Kingston 2133Mhz Sticks and see how far I can go. To reach 1100Mhz level you have to overvolt properly I guess?

 

The fix is probably an AC vent for the bench or to be in a colder room for the bench. Neither of which is likely to happen XD.

You may not need to overvolt for the kingston sticks.

 

i think he was referring to gpu core clocks ^^

 

Indeed I was! Still to learn so much....

 

I live in the States. I got the 2133Mhz Kingston Impact modules. Great RAM!

 

Also, my system is pretty much maxed out
GTX 980Ti
core i7 4870HQ
2x 500GB M.2 Samsung Evo 850 in Raid 0
Coolaboratory liquid Ultra
5 TB Toshiba 7200RPM HDD
2x1440p Acer monitors

 

980Ti eGPU?

 

Sounds like the MSI GS30 Shadow. Alienwares only used 47xxHQ and 49xxHQ as far as I remember.

 

ah, ok

 

Indeed... I like the GS30, much better product compared to the AW13 however its pretty dumb IMO to have to put it on top of the eGPU dock.. Should have a cable to connect to laptop and have it at a distance....

 

Hi guys!

Can someone please leave his/her 2 Cents on this? Got my Kingston HyperX (4x4GB) 2133Mhz for my rig. Thought to just activate the XMP-Profile in (Prema) Bios to let them run in 2133Mhz. But this Feature is greyed out in Bios. So I set the latencies manually and saved it. So far so good! After restart my rig ran fine in 2133Mhz. Benches and testing went fine BUT after a cold restart Settings in BIOS were on "Auto" again, which means 9-9-9-26 1600Mhz.

Tried it several times! As Long as the rig is running life's good. As soon as I restart it, Settings are switched back to 1600Mhz. It is said, that Sandy-E officially supports only till 1600Mhz. But I found many threads were 2133Mhz was running fine without Problems, which it does! If it wouldn't switch back after restart....

So what's behind after this I wonder?

 

have u tried using xtu instead of bios to set the ram speed and timings? xtu starts up at boot and automatically sets the profile thats been active in the previous session. if it still doesnt stick by saying smth like "an unexpected error has occurred" then its most likely either ur mobo or the cpu imc thats unstable. in that scenario u could still overvolt the system agent and analog/digital IO via bios or xtu to get the speed & timings stable. also use tools like memtest or occt large data set to check and see if those settings really are stable, in normal operation it sometikes takes quite a while until instabilities show up!

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Will give it a try, thanks mate!