32GB (2x16GB) not yet being sold?

I noticed that some laptops with mobile Core i5 and Core i7 can handle 32GB but because they only have two memory slots they can only get to this memory size by two 16GB SODIMM modules.

Would anyone have an idea when these will be sold?

And please, "what do you need a 32GB in a laptop for?" questions.

 

Hmm, I remember I saw some of these on newegg a few months back. Still pretty expensive but if you need the ram....

Oh and it depends on the laptop if it has 2 or 4 slots.

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It appears that (2x16GB) 32GB will become available as a DDR3-1866 module by the time Intel Haswell starts shipping. CORSAIR and Kingston are already selling smaller capacity modules at that speed.

 

there are no 16gb modules in sodimm format, only in dimm.

 

The 8gb sodimm modules are less than a year old, correct? It'll be a little while before we see 16gb in laptops.

 

if we see then at all

 

I'm sure we'll see them sooner or later. After all, 640 KB of RAM is enough for everybody, right?

 

8 GB modules have been available since 1st generation Clarksfield quad core i7 models, 2010, nearly 3 years. M6500/8740W/W701DS offered 32 GB options, just cost alot of money.

 

Probably not until DDR4 comes around and commonplace will 16GB RAM modules be affordable and common for laptops, which will likely be sometime in 2014.

 

Thanks for clearing that up, I'm relatively new to laptops and didn't remember seeing 8gb modules until around the time when the P150/70EM models came out.

 

I remember seeing 8gb sodimm modules as early as 2010 at a price of $200-300 for a 16GB pair.

 

We will obviously see 16GB sodimms eventually, but if there will ever be 16GB DDR3 sodimms is in doubt.

 

Its likely that this transition to higher capacity RAM might happen when DDR4 starts mass production - at which point DDR3 will probably feature an expensive variety of 16GB sticks as a last version to come out - much like 4GB So-DIMM DDR2 sticks were available when DDR3 was in mass production and DDR2 on its 'last legs' which made those older DDR2 sticks that much more expensive, but more or less worth of an upgrade for older systems (such my own).

 

I had two computers that would have used 4GB DDR2 SO-DIMM modules but these were already replaced by newer machines.

 

you remember it very wrongly, at 2010 each module would cost you 1k

 

I concur...

 

200-300 was around the start of this year

 

Lets hope these guys are really proceeding with developing them. Take a look at this: https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=...1yJ26w4u72jWGh3o8TAnBWw&bvm=bv.82001339,d.ZGU

Or google it with these keywords: Micron 16GB SODIMM. Take a look at the pdf document. I was told it was still a test phase.

 

BTW, I found this too... DRAM Memory Modules | 16 Gigabyte DDR3 unbuffered DIMMs | Intelligent Memory and they are in production.

 

You won't be able to use these on any Intel-based machine, but only on some AMD chipsets unfortunately...

 

I think you mean 2016

 

His original post was back from 2012, it was a guess at the time. Since DDR4 seems to keep getting pushed back we actually may see 16GB sodimms in DDR3L. Then again maybe not, we shall see is Intel decides to support them in their memory controllers, before DDR4 that is.

 

Oh wow, I didn't realize this thread was that old.

 

This is what happens when really old threads are revived.

 

Asus have already modified there X79 BIOS to accept 16GB modules and has been proven with IMM and 128GB (8x 16GB modules). IIRC some of the Atom CPU's support the bigger modules. It's still unclear whether just a BIOS mod is needed for other platforms. What's the point in having HSW support 512GB of physical addressing if RAM addressing is going to be limited so?

 

Interesting info. Link?

I couldn't agree with you more...

 

Max Your Mem: 128GB DDR3 Support On ASUS & ROG X79 Motherboards

Example


Google will find more...

 

^^^^^^

Thanks. Hopefully other manufacturers will follow, although I'm not holding my breath...

 

Hi and happy new year to you all,

I had a little chat with the support engineers from Intelligent Memory. Consider this just an extra update.

It seems that the mainboard manufacturer, can develop or create an BIOS update (which contains an update for the MRC - Memory Reference Code) in order to allow or accept 16 GB modules. AN BIOS update is needed due to an Intel MRC issue support. Both Micron and Intelligent Memory are selling them now. In theory (for the daring ones among us), they should work without but it is not guaranteed.

Technical details of available modules:
- Micron Technology, Inc. ( http://www.micron.com/~/media/documents/products/data-sheet/modules/sodimm/ktf16c2gx64hz.pdf)
+ MT16KTF2G64HZ – 16GB

- DRAM Memory Modules | 16 Gigabyte DDR3 unbuffered DIMMs | Intelligent Memory
+ IMM2G64D3LSOD8A - 16GB

The only question remains is how much are they going to cost.

With kind regards,
Roland

 

For IMM you could try inquiring at

[email protected]


You may also find this interesting a look into MSI GE60 large SO-DIMM support. Do be aware that until someone actually confirms proper operation that there is no guarantee for them to work or work at maximum performance.

 

I am the daring one... If I get my hands on those modules, I will test it out.

 

Ok, got more updates.

MT16KTF2G64HZ – 16GB ( Micron Technology, Inc.)
They do not (yet and I say yet) have the modules produced. They have just announced it that they will have them too, because Intelligent Memory has produced them. If Micron have produced them, which they are and will, these modules will perform faster than those from Intelligent Memory.

IMM2G64D3LSOD8A – 16GB ( DRAM Memory Modules | 16 Gigabyte DDR3 unbuffered DIMMs | Intelligent Memory)
They have working products available for sale, at the price around 300 euro (incl. VAT) and they can be purchased at Memphis AG ( Memphis AG: Home). But an slight increase (~ 10%) is to be expected due to the Dollar rate against the Euro.

Current Status:
According to Memphis AG, the biggest players (Dell, Asus, MSI etc.) should and are able to convince (fill in a RfC) Intel to change the POR (Plan of Record) to allow the change in the MRC (Memory Reference Code). Lenovo had performed some tests wtih the 16 GB modules and found that it will boot past the BIOS (accepting 32 GB), but fails to boot into the OS (Windows in this case). There were no audio sounds heard regarding wrong SODIMMs nor were there messages on the monitor. Also they did not see any BSoDs or relevant bug check codes. For now, Intel does not want to concentrate on changing anything for the DDR3 modules, but rather concentrate on the production of DDR4. But the DDR4 is at the moment very expensive and not sold as much as the DDR3 modules.

This info has been given to me and with a note, that the attempt to request for an POR is still ongoing. The last communication among the big players and towards Intel was in December 2014.

Gentlemen, I will keep you updated.

 

So the plan was, and so far is, not to support DDR3 16GB sodimm. Nothing new on that end other than the bigger OEM's are requesting a change to this. My guess this is to be expected as by now we were all hoping DDR4 would be making headway down river while it is still at the docks and the fact the portable PC market needs a boost. While not many would require it there is a small market for 32GB and even 64GB machines.

 

First of all I'd like to see laptop CPU's able to support 1866Mhz memory. Theoretically 16GB SO-DIMMs should work because, if I remember correctly, no matter in what layout you RAM is, as long as it's 32GB you CPU should accept it.
My disappointment was big when, even when they cost a bomb, not even the mobile Intel Extreme CPU's support over 1600Mhz or more than 32GB RAM.

 

Laptop CPUs support 2400MHz memory. If a haswell i7 does NOT support above 1600MHz or 1866MHz memory, it's a board limitation you need to blame the manufacturers on; because the Clevos can and do do it. If you ever see n=1 on the forums, he has 2133MHz sticks which he's OC'd to 2400MHz in his Clevo.

 

unless skylake is going to be DDR3 waiting on Intel to fix the bug is a waste of time. its just too little and too late now considering skylake is going to be released in 6 months from now :/

 

Skylake is going to be announced and shown off in 6 months; and it's only U/Y chips. Mainstream and enthusiast chips haven't come out for broadwell and are NOT announcing/releasing in 6 months, as far as we know.

 

That is strange because Intel's website states that 1600Mhz and 32GB is maximum for the top-end mobile processors, so it's not a board limitation. Also, I don't know about which generation of Clevos you talking about but I found the new gens don't support higher RAM frequencies with the exception of the laptops that had 7-series GPU's and had X processors, which indeed they had supported 1866Mhz and 32GB+ RAM, but graphics are 2 generations behind.

 

That's "officially supported". Even the desktop chips have low supported frequencies. Doesn't mean it won't work if you toss something higher into it. Intel just... doesn't support it. As I said in my initial post however, it *IS* a thing where manufacturers limit RAM speeds in the motherboards or BIOS. The Alienware 18 has a 1866MHz hard limit, where the M18x R2 could hit 2133MHz or maybe even higher.

Also, any notebook that used a 700M series GPU that wasn't soldered can use 900M series chips, even if it requires a BIOS mod (usually from Prema).

 

Ok ok ok!!!! hehehehe

Like I said before: I will be the brave one... Here is the update from MSI OCSS.

Oh I understand I understand completely. Now since the modules are costing me around 550 euro (incl. VAT), I will plan this and try to purchase them before April 2015. (Yes, I got other responsibilities too).

But, gentlemen, based upon my experience with the Acer Aspire laptop (it could not handle 16GB, which I did anyway and succeeded nonetheless), I will do the same with my MSI GP60 2PE Leopard. Just buy them, insert them and test them. If it is not working for me, I will sell them. If they do work, well you know what happens. In any case, you will know.

 

I did the same with my 5920G - spec said 4GB max, and I was running 8GB PM965 - some DELLs were getting only 6, and some others wont boot at all, of course there are a few that work just fine, like mine. Could be the same case. That's A LOT of money though! Good luck!

 

And that is what the distributor also said. So he offered me to have it tested with MSI Taiwan and IM. I don't know when the results are coming back in, but I am very happy that he offered it.

And off course, if it works, he can sell it major.

 

Another update

The MSI GP60 2PE Leopard is Haswell-based and therefore an old model (model was launched in late of 2013 ~ beginning of 2014). So, they have never tested the 16 GB SODIMM for this model. MSI R&D is not sure if it's EOL already ( MSI Global GP60 2PE Leopard).

The distributor has submitted 4x IMM2G64D3LSOD8AG-B15E to MSI Gaming NB team for their testing. The model name, which they are testing, is the GT72 series (17" Gaming NB). The CPU is a Haswell i7-4980. They could already go into BIOS, but failed to boot into the OS (Win8). Their RD has being trying to modify the BIOS, but not worked yet. Meanwhile, they are planning to try it with the new Broadwell-platform projects (model name is not defined yet). We are following this closely.

In the meanwhile, visit the link for project information: MSI Global - Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Motherboard, Graphics and more

Should have prepared myself for this better Maybe buying a new laptop would be better than losing time on this.

 

Thanks for the updates

 

Just out of curiosity - no updates? Because Skylake laptops from MSI come with DDR4 so DDR3 16GB are down?

 

Yep, DDR4 16GB modules are definitely available from a number of laptop resellers. It seems more DDR4 options will be coming in the next few months.

http://www.kitguru.net/laptops/mobi...4gb-3ghz-ddr4-so-dimm-memory-kit-for-laptops/

 

There are a handful of Micron DDR3 modules over eBay (from mini servers), as well as some Crucial ones.

 

I'd be very careful about getting ECC server sodimm as I don't think any laptops will take it.

 

Indeed, it's almost 100% not likely to work!

 

Indeed they usually don't, but I for one have seen quite a few "usually don't"s to turn into "oh wow it works". Anyway, Crucial's modules are non-ECC.